# Is President Bush irredeemable? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 3, 2007, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-bush-irredeemable/390669 "2007-02-03T15:47:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2007, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-bush-irredeemable/390669/61 "2007-02-05T20:34:06Z")
[QUOTE=Siege] I don’t think there’s anything which could redeem him in my eyes. All I can do is ride this out and remember other presidents have been accused of doing worse jobs. [/QUOTE] They _have_? Who, for heaven’s sake? I ask purely for research reasons. I might find myself needing to intensify my expressions of disdain. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2007, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-bush-irredeemable/390669/62 "2007-02-05T20:35:57Z")
[QUOTE=BJMoose] Interesting. Just before I found this thread I had this “vision” of Bush, in the fall of 2009, sitting in his rec room at Crawford, Barney quietly gnawing on his left shoe, and realizing (Shrub, not Barney) that absolutely no one is interested in what he thinks about anything. The man will be completely marginalized. [/QUOTE] I disagree. He’ll be trotted out like a figurehead from time to time, with carefully orchestrated scripts, homey little quirks, photo ops w/him clearing bush, culminating in some grandoise scheme to rename some monument or national park in his honor - perhaps in the Alaskan oil fields? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2007, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-bush-irredeemable/390669/63 "2007-02-05T22:23:14Z")
[QUOTE=wring] I disagree. He’ll be trotted out like a figurehead from time to time, with carefully orchestrated scripts, homey little quirks, photo ops w/him clearing bush, culminating in some grandoise scheme to rename some monument or national park in his honor - perhaps in the Alaskan oil fields? [/QUOTE] I disagree. Bush has been such a clear disaster that I predict that by Groundhog Day, 2009, the GOP will be doing its collective best to erase his memory from its websites. If he volunteers to campaign with GOP Congressional candidates in 2010, they’ll urge him to stay far, far away. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2007, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-bush-irredeemable/390669/64 "2007-02-05T22:31:11Z")
[QUOTE=RTFirefly] I disagree. Bush has been such a clear disaster that I predict that by Groundhog Day, 2009, the GOP will be doing its collective best to erase his memory from its websites. If he volunteers to campaign with GOP Congressional candidates in 2010, they’ll urge him to stay far, far away. [/QUOTE] AFAICR, he was still quite the money machine, even recently (though I admit, in some of the closer cases, folks were distancing themselves from him). No, I stand by my prediction. As long as he doesn’t face impeachment/resignation, the spin is going to be that Iraq was a valient effort to **do good** [sup]tm[/sup], and if it weren’t for those naysaying stab ya in the back folks back here suggesting that the emporer wore no clothes, it would have worked. Christ, did ya see **Mr. Moto’s** post where he’s content to ‘wait it out’, confident that history will see Iraq as the good and proper thing to do (alebit w/a few missteps). The capacity for self delusion seems to know no bounds. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2007, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-bush-irredeemable/390669/65 "2007-02-05T22:33:13Z")
[QUOTE=MrFantsyPants] Maybe if he woke up, and it was all a dream. [/QUOTE] And if The Scarecrow was really Dick Cheney. But he had a flaming hand, like in Kentucky Fried Movie… ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2007, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-bush-irredeemable/390669/66 "2007-02-05T22:45:11Z")
[QUOTE=Hentor the Barbarian] Surely we’re well past the point of “You just hate Bush!” [/QUOTE] Even **Shodan** hasn’t used that one in, well, weeks anyway. Just who is it who’ll look back on the Bush years with fond nostalgia? ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2007, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-bush-irredeemable/390669/67 "2007-02-05T23:02:37Z")
[QUOTE=ElvisL1ves] Just who is it who’ll look back on the Bush years with fond nostalgia? [/QUOTE] Besides **Starving Artist**? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2007, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-bush-irredeemable/390669/68 "2007-02-06T00:17:38Z")
[ul] [li]WMDs are found in Iraq aong with their shipping labels personally signed by Saddam - **This one is easy - they were planted by Karl Rove** [/li][li]Israel and the Palestinians form a lasting peace brokered by GW - **That would have happened anyway. See “Cold War, Victory of US in and How Reagan Had Nothing to Do With It”** [/li][li]FEMA does a good job following the next disaster under GW’s leadership - **Sure took him long enough** [/li][li]Osama is caught and reveals the entire structure of Al Qaeda and GW takes them out - **See above. Also “If we hadn’t invaded Iraq, it would have happened years ago, and al-Queda is a dead issue anyway, and why didn’t he do anything before 9/11 instead of waiting too long?”** [/li][/ul] Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2007, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-bush-irredeemable/390669/69 "2007-02-06T00:34:39Z")
Amazing. **Shodan** just lost an argument with himself. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2007, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-bush-irredeemable/390669/70 "2007-02-06T00:35:39Z")
Happy [Powell Day](http://www.consortiumnews.com/2007/020507.html) **Shodan**! ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2007, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-bush-irredeemable/390669/71 "2007-02-06T01:24:46Z")
[QUOTE=Chefguy] He would also have to: \*Restore habeus corpus \*Dump market economy \*Re-regulate industry \*Prosecute Haliburton and Cheney \*Resign, apologize, admit he’s the worst president in history, and voluntarily accept a 10-year sentence in a federal pound-me-in-the-ass penitentiary. And then. . ._maybe_. [/QUOTE] I would take away the penitentiary part if he (a) promised not to involve himself in any political causes post-resignation ever again (humanitarian efforts are fine), and (b) acknowledge that he approved the torture of dozens, if not hundreds, of detainees and publicly admit that it was a morally reprehensible thing to do. And I don’t need him to prosecute Cheney personally if he also resigns and adheres to condition (a) as well. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2007, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-bush-irredeemable/390669/72 "2007-02-06T02:03:14Z")
Yeesh. As long as you’re up, see if you can wish me a pony… ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2007, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-bush-irredeemable/390669/73 "2007-02-06T03:47:40Z")
[QUOTE=kaylasdad99] Yeesh. As long as you’re up, see if you can wish me a pony… [/QUOTE] Hey, I found you [this much of one](http://pets.webshots.com/photo/2817940830000735275gVJFZy), anyway. (Goats not included. Some restrictions may apply. See your doctor before using.) ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2007, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-bush-irredeemable/390669/74 "2007-02-06T06:15:53Z")
He will go down in history as the worst president ever. Irredeemable. ---
**Author:** ![BJMoose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/5fc32e/32.png) [@BJMoose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BJMoose)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2007, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-bush-irredeemable/390669/75 "2007-02-06T19:27:30Z")
[QUOTE=wring] I disagree. He’ll be trotted out like a figurehead from time to time, with carefully orchestrated scripts, homey little quirks, photo ops w/him clearing bush, culminating in some grandoise scheme to rename some monument or national park in his honor - perhaps in the Alaskan oil fields? [/QUOTE] I actually expect him to go out and make a mil or two on the mashed-potato circuit, but that will be it; especially if the Republicans lose the White House in 2008 and can in any way blame him. He’ll spend the rest of his days in Texas “driftin’ along with the tumblin’ tumbleweed”. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2007, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-bush-irredeemable/390669/76 "2007-02-06T21:03:29Z")
[QUOTE=BJMoose] He’ll spend the rest of his days in Texas “driftin’ along with the tumblin’ tumbleweed”. [/QUOTE] Why? Wouldn’t he rather go home – to Connecticut? ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2007, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-bush-irredeemable/390669/77 "2007-02-06T21:10:47Z")
[QUOTE=rjung] Why? Wouldn’t he rather go home – to Connecticut? [/QUOTE] Nope. Word is that he’ll sell the “ranch” rather quickly. Then move to a gated community in the Metroplex. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2007, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-bush-irredeemable/390669/78 "2007-02-07T01:35:48Z")
[QUOTE=rjung] Why? Wouldn’t he rather go home – to Connecticut? [/QUOTE] To be fair, Bush did move to Texas when he was 3, and lived there for most of his life. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2007, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-bush-irredeemable/390669/79 "2007-02-07T01:43:57Z")
[QUOTE=rjung] Why? Wouldn’t he rather go home – to Connecticut? [/QUOTE] [Other plans](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16962091/site/newsweek/): > [@](#): > > Bush wants his legacy to be the long-term defeat of Islamic extremism. Indeed, senior officials close to Bush who did not wish to be identified discussing private conversations with the president tell NEWSWEEK that Bush’s plan after he leaves the White House is to continue to promote the spread of democracy in the Middle East by inviting world leaders to his own policy institute, to be built alongside his presidential library. Time for a punchline contest, gang? ---
**Author:** ![LouisB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2007, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-bush-irredeemable/390669/80 "2007-02-07T02:59:58Z")
[QUOTE=Bridget Burke] Nope. Word is that he’ll sell the “ranch” rather quickly. Then move to a gated community in the Metroplex. [/QUOTE] Does he ever do anything on his ranch other than clear brush and fall off of bicycles? Does he have any cattle? Does he have any horses? Does he raise anything at all that would justify calling the place a ranch? Or is it just a place where he goes to pretend whatever the hell he pretends when he isn’t pretending to be a statesman? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-bush-irredeemable/390669.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-bush-irredeemable/390669.md?page=5)