# Is President Trump suddenly Getting Worse? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 12, 2018, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-trump-suddenly-getting-worse/806444 "2018-01-12T04:54:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-trump-suddenly-getting-worse/806444/141 "2018-01-15T14:15:10Z")
Well, this is certainly off the rails. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-trump-suddenly-getting-worse/806444/142 "2018-01-15T14:19:04Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > The overarching theme I’m getting is this: The purpose of psychological knowledge for a mental health professional is to treat mental illness. It’s the only reason to make a diagnosis. If the goal of these people is not to get help for Donald Trump, it’s unethical for them to diagnose and discuss his mental illness, particularly without his consent. If their goals are political, and not medical, they are doing wrong. > > I know some people would rather pitch the whole of the mental health profession under the bus in the service of their political ideals, but it isn’t right and it’s not even best for society in the long run. And that’s scary as hell. No code of ethics should care about one thing only. There should always be some sort of balance, some sort of line where you decide it’s better that you do this one lesser evil to avoid a greater evil. The goal in psychology cannot be “to treat people.” There has to be an underlying moral foundation for why, presumably to reduce suffering or to increase happiness or make a better world or something like that. And all of those things have other issues that would need to be considered and balanced For one thing, is it good for our collective mental health that someone so unstable and erratic is in charge? There was already an uptick in people seeking help for mental health problems when Trump was just running, just from what he was doing then. Now he’s even worse, and people seem more angry and more unable to cope than before. And that’s just the most connected thing I could think of, something that I would hope every psychologist would care about. But there is just so, so much more. I actually decline to take the time to write them all out again simply for my own mental health. They’ve been repeated over and over. Trump is just a genuinely hurtful person who has been rewarded by society, making so many more people think that it’s okay to hurt people. (I lost friends over people wishing harm on the protesters, for example.) It’s not about throwing psychology under anything, nor is it about political ideals. How bad Trump is transcends politics. Trump could be the most liberal person I know but his instability would be bad for this country. His fundamental lack of empathy is _dangerous_. And given how much sway psychologists had back with Goldwater, I’m nearly certain that, if not for this “rule” they created, they could have stopped this, since they have at least some pull. I hate every person with influence who refused to fight against him. And I for one find psychology harmed by their lack of action. I think I might just now be able to go to someone, if I could be sure they actually were ethical, and not just agreeing with a rule. Because that’s what it is. A rule. They could get in trouble for not abiding by it. And it’s just natural to create reasons why following that rule is the right thing to do, to ease any cognitive dissonance. I wonder how many psychologists would agree if they were free to make up their mind without that pressure. I genuinely hope it is less than those who made what I believe to be the wrong choice. Just like I thought it was wrong for anyone who oppose abortion to use that as a reason to support Trump. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-trump-suddenly-getting-worse/806444/143 "2018-01-15T14:32:26Z")
**BigT,** I hope you get some help if you need it, but I’ve got to say, **Spice** appears to clearly hold the ethical position here, and besides that, psychologists pretending to make a diagnosis on cable TV are utterly unconvincing for anyone who’s not a hardcore partisan. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-trump-suddenly-getting-worse/806444/144 "2018-01-15T15:42:21Z")
**HD** - please take a look at the link below. Do you believe Dr Dekleva did something unethical? > **[Kim Jong-un’s Political Psychology Profile](https://thediplomat.com/2017/10/kim-jong-uns-political-psychology-profile/)** > > Insights from Ken Dekleva. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-trump-suddenly-getting-worse/806444/145 "2018-01-15T15:45:58Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > …psychologists pretending to make a diagnosis on cable TV are utterly unconvincing for anyone who’s not a hardcore partisan. Are you serious? It’s as plain as the nose on your face to anyone who’s taken Psych 101, let alone spent years of study. You can haggle about ethics all you want, which is merely another attempt at distraction from the basic fact that Trump is blatantly and classically narcissistic and a serial liar, both to a possibly dangerous extent. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-trump-suddenly-getting-worse/806444/146 "2018-01-15T16:12:57Z")
I would argue that there’s nothing wrong with someone offering an opinion on the matter as long as it is clearly understood to be such and not in any way a professional diagnosis, even if the person offering it is an “expert”. Anyone purporting to be making an actual medical or psychiatric diagnosis without meeting and examining the patient in an official capacity is wrong to do so. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-trump-suddenly-getting-worse/806444/147 "2018-01-15T17:13:40Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I would argue that there’s nothing wrong with someone offering an opinion on the matter as long as it is clearly understood to be such and not in any way a professional diagnosis, even if the person offering it is an “expert”. Anyone purporting to be making an actual medical or psychiatric diagnosis without meeting and examining the patient in an official capacity is wrong to do so. Sounds reasonable. I might be more inclined to consider the merits of attempting to diagnose someone you’ve never met, if there was any indication at all it would accomplish anything. Let’s pretend for a minute that Trump exhibited textbook symptoms of multiple sclerosis. A group of medical doctors gather together, go on TV, and say, “While we have not examined the patient, we’ve been watching him in the media, and it is our collective official medical opinion that Trump has MS. It’s clearly affecting his ability to do his job effectively and putting the country in danger.” What is the outcome here? Do you imagine anyone caring that doesn’t already think he has MS? Do you think people who voted for him will change their minds about his competence? Cuz here’s my guess on how this would play out : Liberals: I knew it! That fucker has to go! Conservatives: Fucking quacks. The whole medical profession is a sham. Government: meh There is no evidence in the history of the election or Trump’s presidency that facts or professional consensus have any bearing whatsoever on how people feel about him. We had an entire cadre of GOP foreign defense experts sign a petition declaring him unfit for the presidency, something that has never happened in the history of this country, and it didn’t matter. Why on earth would anyone care what some psychologists think? ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-trump-suddenly-getting-worse/806444/148 "2018-01-15T18:03:13Z")
> [@China\_Guy](#): > > One key question: how the hell was Wolf able to just park his ass in the White House corridor of power Monday thru Friday everyday of the week? This would not be possible in corporate America (maybe for a few days, not for weeks on end and certainly not for months on end). What a goat rodeo the White House must be if this sensationalist journalistic hack gets what amounts to a top level security clearance in the freaking White House. There’s one theory that it was a [cover story](http://www.bizpacreview.com/2016/06/01/trump-lands-extravagant-cover-of-the-hollywood-reporter-heres-what-everyone-will-be-talking-about-347162) in the Hollywood Reporter that secured Wolfe this access. While the story itself was apparently not exceptionally flattering, the cover of the magazine featured an artistic rendering of a picture of Trump wearing mirrored sunglasses - it made him look cool. Ergo, somebody in the West Wing thought this guy was going to do a flattering portrait of all of the “greatness” going on, so he got an up front and close look. ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-trump-suddenly-getting-worse/806444/149 "2018-01-15T18:23:45Z")
> [@](#): > > While the story itself was apparently not exceptionally flattering, the cover of the magazine featured an artistic rendering of a picture of Trump wearing mirrored sunglasses - it made him look cool. Ergo, somebody in the West Wing thought this guy was going to do a flattering portrait of all of the “greatness” going on, so he got an up front and close look. heh - that’s what they get for not reading ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-trump-suddenly-getting-worse/806444/150 "2018-01-15T18:43:37Z")
> [@JackieLikesVariety](#): > > heh - that’s what they get for not reading [Here](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/donald-trump-conversation-politics-dark-898465) is the actual article. It’s not horrible, but it’s not a love fest either. Some excerpts… > [@](#): > > You can try, but it’s hard to resist this admiration for himself. The certainty of it, the enthusiasm for it and the lack of not just doubt, but of any negativity. It’s all upbeat and positive. The dark, scary, virulent heart of American politics is having the best time anyone has ever had… > > If there’s any pattern to his conversation, it’s that he’s vague on all subjects outside himself, his campaign and the media. Everything else is mere distraction… > > “And Brexit? Your position?” I ask. > “Huh?” > “Brexit.” > “Hmm.” > “The Brits leaving the EU,” I prompt, realizing that his lack of familiarity with one of the most pressing issues in Europe is for him no concern nor liability at all… > > Donald Trump simply believes he is a unique individual, one whose singular conviction that he is special makes him appealing. And pay no attention to everything else. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-trump-suddenly-getting-worse/806444/151 "2018-01-15T19:23:21Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > Sounds reasonable. I might be more inclined to consider the merits of attempting to diagnose someone you’ve never met, if there was any indication at all it would accomplish anything. > > Let’s pretend for a minute that Trump exhibited textbook symptoms of multiple sclerosis. A group of medical doctors gather together, go on TV, and say, “While we have not examined the patient, we’ve been watching him in the media, and it is our collective official medical opinion that Trump has MS. It’s clearly affecting his ability to do his job effectively and putting the country in danger.” > > What is the outcome here? Do you imagine anyone caring that doesn’t already think he has MS? Do you think people who voted for him will change their minds about his competence? Cuz here’s my guess on how this would play out : > > Liberals: I knew it! That fucker has to go! > > Conservatives: Fucking quacks. The whole medical profession is a sham. > > Government: meh > > There is no evidence in the history of the election or Trump’s presidency that facts or professional consensus have any bearing whatsoever on how people feel about him. We had an entire cadre of GOP foreign defense experts sign a petition declaring him unfit for the presidency, something that has never happened in the history of this country, and it didn’t matter. Why on earth would anyone care what some psychologists think? Actually, that was covered in _The West Wing_. The President (Martin Sheen) had MS and didn’t tell anyone. And his doctor wife (Stockard Channing) was treating him secretly. A big and important difference: MS does not make you a danger to the security of the country the way being a babbling, mentally deficient, nutso, narcissistic, unbalanced, short-tempered fruitcake does. Not a good comparison. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-trump-suddenly-getting-worse/806444/152 "2018-01-15T20:56:08Z")
Wolff didn’t say his book was bullshit, but he Did say the claims in it cannot be verified. To me, that makes it gossip. C’mon, dopers, we don’t have to lower our standards to find ways to criticize this awful president. Is Trump getting worse? I dunno. He introduced himself to politics with “Mexicans are rapists,” and has pretty consistently been an asshole ever since. Worse how? And, HD used the phrase “liberal California.” HD, for the sake of clarity, would you PLEASE define the word “liberal” for me? Don’t say, “Democrats” or some other contentless dodge. I really want to know, so please really, actually tell me. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-trump-suddenly-getting-worse/806444/153 "2018-01-15T21:06:59Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > A big and important difference: MS does not make you a danger to the security of the country the way being a babbling, mentally deficient, nutso, narcissistic, unbalanced, short-tempered fruitcake does. Then substitute any medical condition that does. What is the upshot? What is the outcome of a bunch of professionals diagnosing someone they have never treated or evaluated? What changes occur in society, the public dialog, the government as a result of this? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-trump-suddenly-getting-worse/806444/154 "2018-01-15T21:13:57Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > … And, HD used the phrase “liberal California.” HD, for the sake of clarity, would you PLEASE define the word “liberal” for me? Don’t say, “Democrats” or some other contentless dodge. I really want to know, so please really, actually tell me. I was quoting the LA Times. It’s the headline they stuck on the op-ed. I don’t want you to feel like I’m dodging your question (although in the past I’m pretty sure that I’ve posted that I see the general use of “liberal” as nearly-synonymous with “left-wing” or “Democrats”), so to get to you answer: How would **HD** define liberal? Off the top of my head, I’d say “liberal” is a political label for the left wing of the American political spectrum. Generally it favors gun control, easier access to abortion, more concern for the environment, a desire to use government resources and policies to provide additional assistance to the poor or otherwise disadvantaged, and a strong urge to view things through a racial lens. ETA: That’s almost certainly not perfect, but I think generally gets at some of the main themes. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-trump-suddenly-getting-worse/806444/155 "2018-01-15T21:30:06Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > There’s one theory that it was a [cover story](http://www.bizpacreview.com/2016/06/01/trump-lands-extravagant-cover-of-the-hollywood-reporter-heres-what-everyone-will-be-talking-about-347162) in the Hollywood Reporter that secured Wolfe this access. > While the story itself was apparently not exceptionally flattering, the cover of the magazine featured an artistic rendering of a picture of Trump wearing mirrored sunglasses - it made him look cool. Ergo, somebody in the West Wing thought this guy was going to do a flattering portrait of all of the “greatness” going on, so he got an up front and close look. I posted about that ten days ago (in the BBQ Pit) --Hope Hicks was, apparently, the particular West Wing person who was impressed by the “cool” cover. Neither she nor Trump himself, quite obviously, had read the story–which was not flattering to Trump. They both just figured ‘_the cover makes Trump look ‘cool’ so the author must be a Trump-supporter_’…which would win for Bad Reasoning Choice of the year, if there weren’t so many other entries! > [@The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15004): > > Supposedly Bannon signed him in some days. Some days, he reportedly had a higher clearance–the ‘blue pass’–than any other reporter. (I’m not seeing that in a reputable story–just in tweets and on message boards, so no link yet.) > The entire thing came about, apparently, because of an Accident of Graphics: Wolff wrote a not-very-positive story on Trump that was published in June 2016 in The Hollywood Reporter. But the cover made Trump look “cool,” or so Hope Hicks thought: > > > [@](#): > > > > I interviewed Donald Trump for The Hollywood Reporter in June 2016, and he seemed to have liked — or not disliked — the piece I wrote. “Great cover!” his press assistant, Hope Hicks, emailed me after it came out (it was a picture of a belligerent Trump in mirrored sunglasses). > > [Michael Wolff: My Insane Year Inside Trump's White House](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/michael-wolff-my-insane-year-inside-trumps-white-house-1071504) > > I don’t see the cover itself on the Hollywood Reporter site, so here it is: > [https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/sites/default/files/custom/trumpconversation.jpg](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/sites/default/files/custom/trumpconversation.jpg) > > …if the cover artist had depicted Trump as a buffoon–to match the tenor of the actual story–then Wolff would never have gotten his pass to the White House. Because, of course, neither Hope Hicks, nor Trump, actually read the story. But since the cover made Trump look ‘cool,’ Hicks and Trump assumed that anything Wolff wrote, or might write, would also make Trump look ‘cool.’ > > Thus the importance of the graphic arts in world history. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-trump-suddenly-getting-worse/806444/156 "2018-01-15T21:32:22Z")
Thanks. Is it an all of the above kind of thing? For example, the “shithole countries” thing certainly seems to be “viewing things through a racial lens.” Somehow I doubt you will accept that Trump and half his supporters are liberals, so how do I parse that? Seems like “sympathy for all races” gets turned into “viewing things through a racial lens,” while, say, white supremacy is somehow a different case. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-trump-suddenly-getting-worse/806444/157 "2018-01-15T21:32:30Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > Then substitute any medical condition that does. > > What is the upshot? What is the outcome of a bunch of professionals diagnosing someone they have never treated or evaluated? What changes occur in society, the public dialog, the government as a result of this? Thump has shared more of his thoughts and beliefs in public than most people do in [del]years[/del] decades of therapy. He lets it all hang out. He holds back nothing. He hides nothing. He is Carl Rogers’ dream of free association. He has a thought [sic]-- he urps it out. No one needs to meet him in the flesh to get a sense of what kind of a person he is. Do you honestly think a doctor could possibly know any more about thump in one or ten visits than every single person who has access to Twitter knows about him right this minute? The outcome is that it isn’t just a bunch of random guys in a bar saying he’s nuts; it’s people who really KNOW what it is to be nuts saying he’s nuts. I think that’s a good thing. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-trump-suddenly-getting-worse/806444/158 "2018-01-15T21:35:50Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > I posted about that ten days ago (in the BBQ Pit) --Hope Hicks was, apparently, the particular West Wing person who was impressed by the “cool” cover. Neither she nor Trump himself, quite obviously, had read the story–which was not flattering to Trump. They both just figured ‘_the cover makes Trump look ‘cool’ so the author must be a Trump-supporter_’…which would win for Bad Reasoning Choice of the year, if there weren’t so many other entries! > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=20705943](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=20705943) Is there any evidence that Trump ever even saw the cover, or that he concluded it made him look cool? You said “They both just figured” and “Hicks and Trump assumed”. What evidence is there that these assumptions were shared by Trump, and not just Hicks? ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-trump-suddenly-getting-worse/806444/159 "2018-01-15T21:44:15Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Thump has shared more of his thoughts and beliefs in public than most people do in [del]years[/del] decades of therapy. He lets it all hang out. He holds back nothing. He hides nothing. He is Carl Rogers’ dream of free association. He has a thought [sic]-- he urps it out. No one needs to meet him in the flesh to get a sense of what kind of a person he is. Do you honestly think a doctor could possibly know any more about thump in one or ten visits than every single person who has access to Twitter knows about him right this minute? > > The outcome is that it isn’t just a bunch of random guys in a bar saying he’s nuts; it’s people who really KNOW what it is to be nuts saying he’s nuts. I think that’s a good thing. Well, **Gyrate** ’s scenario works fine for me. > [@Gyrate](#): > > I would argue that there’s nothing wrong with someone offering an opinion on the matter as long as it is clearly understood to be such and not in any way a professional diagnosis, even if the person offering it is an “expert”. Anyone purporting to be making an actual medical or psychiatric diagnosis without meeting and examining the patient in an official capacity is wrong to do so. FWIW, I’m well aware that Trump is nuts. It baffles me that this is not evident to everyone. It baffles me that anyone would need a psychological diagnosis to take that notion seriously. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-trump-suddenly-getting-worse/806444/160 "2018-01-15T21:51:37Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > Well, **Gyrate** ’s scenario works fine for me. Works for me, too. > [@](#): > > FWIW, I’m well aware that Trump is nuts. It baffles me that this is not evident to everyone. It baffles me that anyone would need a psychological diagnosis to take that notion seriously. Most people are really ill-informed and unaware. Times 10 when it comes to mental health issues. The mind, emotions, feelings, behavior, what goes on inside people–it’s just a Big Black Box with a question mark on all sides. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-trump-suddenly-getting-worse/806444.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-president-trump-suddenly-getting-worse/806444.md?page=9)