# Is Prince William's marriage a sham? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [July 11, 2014, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-prince-williams-marriage-a-sham/692840 "2014-07-11T10:51:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2014, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-prince-williams-marriage-a-sham/692840/41 "2014-07-11T15:34:25Z")
Alessan: > [@](#): > > in other words, like Camilla, except for the pretty part. Camilla was sprung on the public in her what, mid-forties? early fifties? She was probably more “pretty” when she was Kate’s age. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2014, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-prince-williams-marriage-a-sham/692840/42 "2014-07-11T15:40:46Z")
Yeah, I’m not getting where “sham” comes from. Having a mistress does not make a marriage a sham. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2014, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-prince-williams-marriage-a-sham/692840/43 "2014-07-11T15:43:26Z")
Maybe the OP misspelled “shame”? ---
**Author:** ![SanVito](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sanvito/32/2805_2.png) [@SanVito](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SanVito)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2014, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-prince-williams-marriage-a-sham/692840/44 "2014-07-11T16:07:21Z")
If there really was some arranged marriage going on, d’ya think they would have lived ‘in sin’ for several years before they got married? Do you think they might have found William some daughter of a Duke or foreign prince instead of the middle-class daughter of a former airline stewardess? Do you think they would have dated then had a big falling out/break halfway through their relationship? I think we can safely say the Prince William’s courtship and marriage to Kate is just about the most ordinary, honest marriage a future monarch as ever had. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2014, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-prince-williams-marriage-a-sham/692840/45 "2014-07-11T16:17:57Z")
Can we get a Mod and a Ban Hammer around here to spare us from these idiotic OPs? ---
**Author:** ![blindboyard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blindboyard/32/2833_2.png) [@blindboyard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blindboyard)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2014, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-prince-williams-marriage-a-sham/692840/46 "2014-07-11T16:37:09Z")
Maybe he’s just [buggering the valet.](http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/05/buggering-the-valet/) ---
**Author:** ![md2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/73ab20/32.png) [@md2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/md2000)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2014, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-prince-williams-marriage-a-sham/692840/47 "2014-07-11T16:37:16Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > Alessan: > > Camilla was sprung on the public in her what, mid-forties? early fifties? She was probably more “pretty” when she was Kate’s age. Yes, 30+ years ago Buckingham palace was not yet into the 20th century, and Charles was “told” that he could not marry a person like Camilla who had already boinked several other guys. the future Princess of Wales had to be pure as the driven snow - so they found someone who had serious issues and therefore had never gotten far enough to have a close encounter of the third kind. From what I’ve read of her behaviour, she had serious issues, which explained her chastituous situation. Charles tried with her, but he was a spoiled rich guy who only got told “no” by Mommy. Everyone else bowed and said “yes, sir”. (He even had people who put the toothpaste on the brush for him!) He was totally stumped when trying to deal with an illogical and irrational person who believed herself his equal and did not do what she was told. ---
**Author:** ![SpoilerVirgin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4491bb/32.png) [@SpoilerVirgin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpoilerVirgin)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2014, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-prince-williams-marriage-a-sham/692840/48 "2014-07-11T16:38:30Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > Camilla was sprung on the public in her what, mid-forties? early fifties? She was probably more “pretty” when she was Kate’s age. Unfortunately, [not really](https://lisawallerrogers.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/camilla-1965.jpg). I still think that Charles and Camilla are a great (if convoluted) romantic love story. And I’m with everyone else in not finding the OP at all convincing. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2014, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-prince-williams-marriage-a-sham/692840/49 "2014-07-11T16:41:28Z")
> [@SpoilerVirgin](#): > > Unfortunately, [not really](https://lisawallerrogers.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/camilla-1965.jpg). I still think that Charles and Camilla are a great (if convoluted) romantic love story. > > And I’m with everyone else in not finding the OP at all convincing. She looks like John Cleese’s sister. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2014, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-prince-williams-marriage-a-sham/692840/50 "2014-07-11T16:59:37Z")
> [@Suicide](#): > > William’s father, Prince Charles, famously once said that, “I will not be the first Prince of Wales in history not to have a mistress” when he was married to Dianne and banging Camilla. Unless we believe that William chooses to be the first POW in history not to have a mistress, and looking at the history of England that’s not likely, then we know his marriage is a scam too, so I think the Brits must have figured this out too. no?:smack::smack::smack::smack: I suspect I am wasting my time here, but if Wills is really into somebody else, why wouldn’t he just have married _her_? ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2014, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-prince-williams-marriage-a-sham/692840/51 "2014-07-11T17:22:49Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I suspect I am wasting my time here, but if Wills is really into somebody else, why wouldn’t he just have married _her_? Yes, I think you’re right. ISTR hearing somewhere that while Charles was emotionally attached to Camilla, he did not in fact bang her while he was married. Di, on the other hand, had quite the collection. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2014, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-prince-williams-marriage-a-sham/692840/52 "2014-07-11T17:26:11Z")
Pretty sure Charles admitted that he was “with” Camilla before the divorce. Or perhaps Camilla did. And in fairness, if I’d been pressed into wifely duty with old jug-ears I suspect I’d have to bang every ranking officer in the Army to get the (metaphorical and actual) taste out of my mouth. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2014, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-prince-williams-marriage-a-sham/692840/53 "2014-07-11T17:40:47Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > And in fairness, if I’d been pressed into wifely duty with old jug-ears I suspect I’d have to bang every ranking officer in the Army to get the (metaphorical and actual) taste out of my mouth. Only Guards officers, I reckon. There was a (Private Eye, I think) rumour that William - pre-Kate - was introduced to the ways of the flesh by Tara Palmer-Tomkinson. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2014, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-prince-williams-marriage-a-sham/692840/54 "2014-07-11T17:51:51Z")
My brother knew Palmer-Tomkinson many years ago (he was at Sherborne when she was at Sherborne School for Girls.) Apparently she wasn’t very popular back then. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2014, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-prince-williams-marriage-a-sham/692840/55 "2014-07-11T18:51:03Z")
> [@Suicide](#): > > In general, do the British public believe that the Prince William-Kate Middleton marriage is a real marriage or do they know that it is really a sham marriage perpetrated in order continue the royal line of succession? William’s father, Prince Charles, famously once said that, “I will not be the first Prince of Wales in history not to have a mistress” when he was married to Dianne and banging Camilla. Unless we believe that William chooses to be the first POW in history not to have a mistress, and looking at the history of England that’s not likely, then we know his marriage is a scam too, so I think the Brits must have figured this out too. no?:smack::smack::smack::smack: > [@Suicide](#): > > we spell capitalization with a z around here dude not an s **Moderator Warning** You’ve been told not to make trolling posts on this message board previously. I think it’s past time for you to go. Colibri General Questions Moderator ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2014, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-prince-williams-marriage-a-sham/692840/56 "2014-07-11T19:12:37Z")
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