# Is rape the forcing of a soul tie between the rapist and victim? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 5, 2009, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rape-the-forcing-of-a-soul-tie-between-the-rapist-and-victim/509008 "2009-09-05T23:55:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Oregon\_sunshine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/50afbb/32.png) [@Oregon\_sunshine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oregon_sunshine)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rape-the-forcing-of-a-soul-tie-between-the-rapist-and-victim/509008/21 "2009-09-06T01:22:19Z")
If the victim/survivor gets pregnant and decides to have the baby (it happens more often than you think, probably) they are combined, so to speak… Otherwise, I’m not seeing it. ---
**Author:** ![KellyM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/57b2e6/32.png) [@KellyM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KellyM)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rape-the-forcing-of-a-soul-tie-between-the-rapist-and-victim/509008/22 "2009-09-06T01:55:56Z")
> [@Angry Lurker](#): > > What do you think about this theory? I do not believe I could honestly tell you how I felt about this “theory” without violating at least half a dozen of the rules of the SDMB. ---
**Author:** ![lee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lee/32/7455_2.png) [@lee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lee)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rape-the-forcing-of-a-soul-tie-between-the-rapist-and-victim/509008/23 "2009-09-06T02:02:20Z")
So is this supposed tie forged by the penis, or is it due to the shared experience? Is a similar tie forged between all of those raping a woman in a gang rape? Is such a tie forged between the victim and those who merely hold her down so she can be more easily raped? What about those who merely cheer on the rapist as he is forging the bond? Does such a bond get forged when police rape a detainee with a broomstick or is the power in the penis itself? ---
**Author:** ![ultrafilter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3d9bf3/32.png) [@ultrafilter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultrafilter)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rape-the-forcing-of-a-soul-tie-between-the-rapist-and-victim/509008/24 "2009-09-06T02:58:23Z")
What’s the debate here? ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rape-the-forcing-of-a-soul-tie-between-the-rapist-and-victim/509008/25 "2009-09-06T04:49:03Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > I notice who posted it. > Then I go get a snack. Thank you. Why is this nonsense worth a thread? ---
**Author:** ![DanBlather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@DanBlather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DanBlather)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rape-the-forcing-of-a-soul-tie-between-the-rapist-and-victim/509008/26 "2009-09-06T04:57:35Z")
[Here](http://www.men-access.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/obama-tie-variouscolor.jpg)is a soul tie, I don’t get what it has to do with rape, however. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rape-the-forcing-of-a-soul-tie-between-the-rapist-and-victim/509008/27 "2009-09-06T05:05:58Z")
I reason thusly: 1. Souls do not exist. 2. That which does not exist cannot be tied. 3. Rape is not the forcing of a soul tie between rapist and victim. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 7:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rape-the-forcing-of-a-soul-tie-between-the-rapist-and-victim/509008/28 "2009-09-06T07:03:13Z")
> [@aruvqan](#): > > And I really wish that Kanicbird would get banned from the SDMB permanently, they drop the ability of the board to fight ignorance. Take this sort of thing to the Pit. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![leander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bcef8e/32.png) [@leander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leander)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rape-the-forcing-of-a-soul-tie-between-the-rapist-and-victim/509008/29 "2009-09-06T07:21:12Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Take this sort of thing to the Pit. > > [/Moderating] Why not just kick this \ thread to the pit? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 10:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rape-the-forcing-of-a-soul-tie-between-the-rapist-and-victim/509008/30 "2009-09-06T10:21:22Z")
I’ll check back in on this one when it’s in the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rape-the-forcing-of-a-soul-tie-between-the-rapist-and-victim/509008/31 "2009-09-06T11:42:04Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > Wow, that’s absolutely vile crap. I didn’t expect or imagine anything like that on opening the thread. > > In any case, I came in to say that not all “rapes” are motivated by the same purpose, so no. > > But this reverse sin-eater nonsense is terrifying to me; an ornate Manichean rationale for the abuse of women. Either the rapist transfers his guilt to the victim or it was the raped’s fault all along? > > _ **It is not what goes into a man that defiles him, but what comes out.** _ Seems some of our Christians haven’t noticed that teaching yet. OK, this is what your PM is from. Placing one persons sin on another happens all the time. It goes from the person with power to the person without power. An example a boss is having a rough day and takes it out on a employee, that transfers aggression and anger to the employee, the boss feels better, the employee feels worse - this is sin on the part of the boss, unjust anger placed on one in his service - unjust expressed anger is sin. That employee goes home and abuses his wife to release himself of that anger - again misplaced and sin, that wife gets relief by getting angry with her children, again misplaced and sin, those children have no further way to getting rid of what was unjustly put on them, they act out and are punished, or they self punish by feeling bad about themselves for something that was not their fault and something they had no control over. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rape-the-forcing-of-a-soul-tie-between-the-rapist-and-victim/509008/32 "2009-09-06T11:46:22Z")
> [@lee](#): > > So is this supposed tie forged by the penis, or is it due to the shared experience? Is a similar tie forged between all of those raping a woman in a gang rape? Is such a tie forged between the victim and those who merely hold her down so she can be more easily raped? What about those who merely cheer on the rapist as he is forging the bond? Does such a bond get forged when police rape a detainee with a broomstick or is the power in the penis itself? What is the person doing in their heart? Are they raping that person, or for that matter even controlling the person doing the raping? A physical penis is not required, as such a woman can do this to another woman. The transfer is part of forced or voluntary submission to the other. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rape-the-forcing-of-a-soul-tie-between-the-rapist-and-victim/509008/33 "2009-09-06T11:50:33Z")
> [@Oregon\_sunshine](#): > > If the victim/survivor gets pregnant and decides to have the baby (it happens more often than you think, probably) they are combined, so to speak… Otherwise, I’m not seeing it. You are talking about a soul tie between mother to child to father I assume. This situation if she has the child or aborts the soul of that child is a very dangerous situation for that child as that child will very likely bear the sin of the father as the mother will have a tendency to transfer what the father did to the child. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rape-the-forcing-of-a-soul-tie-between-the-rapist-and-victim/509008/34 "2009-09-06T12:22:50Z")
Re: date rape, here is a short summary, and will take the ‘typically’ assumed case where the man ‘date rapes’ the woman, though it can go either way and can be the same gender also. - Words mean things (much more then we realize), words are the basis of witchcraft - many many people use witchcraft without even knowing it. Backhanded comments are common use of witchcraft. - Sex either physical or committed in the heart, if the basis is lust (as opposed to love) creates a soul tie which is a basis of voodoo. - People have different levels of spiritual power (authority), and different levels of spiritual bondage which works against spiritual power. Here the woman will look for a spiritual weaker man, or a man with a high level of spiritual bondage. - The man submits to the woman, this could be in ‘playing’, such as play swordfighting with sticks where the woman wins, holds the man at sword point and she commands him to surrender - if he verbalizes the surrender and the woman in her heart feels empowered by this it is a spiritual surrender. It could be at almost any game, or it could be totally verbal, such as the man saying I trust you with me. - The woman may make some comment to command her submitted servant to have sex with out regard to any objection by her at the time. - when the act is happening she will stay within the boundaries that would stop the act, those boundaries are the moral coding of the man, if she does exceed them her ability to control him will be broken. - When it is over she lays a guilt trip on him, even resulting to police action. Like I said this form of sin transfer is very very evil due to the level of deception. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rape-the-forcing-of-a-soul-tie-between-the-rapist-and-victim/509008/35 "2009-09-06T12:36:22Z")
Adding on date rape, the above is premeditated by her by the heart, not (necessarily) by the head - she will most likely not realize that she sets this up. This is what comes out of her heart as spoken of by Jesus. Her heart is looking for a way to unburden itself of something, usually sexual, even molestation as a child, by transference. The more she comes out the more comfort she receives (a longing if her heart is to be comforted for some past wrong put onto her), and the more punishment he receives. Again this is misplaced onto this guy. Healing of this is the guy realizing that he wrongly submitted to her and was taken advantage, not because she is evil (but she did commit a evil act), but because she was just trying to find a way to receive comfort that was withheld from her, forgiving her and himself and asking God to heal him. For her is it is realization that what was put on her in the past needs to be healed, she needs to forgive the original act and person who hurt her. ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rape-the-forcing-of-a-soul-tie-between-the-rapist-and-victim/509008/36 "2009-09-06T12:46:20Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Take this sort of thing to the Pit. > > [/Moderating] I do not see why, I was expressing my wish that this person would be banned thanks to their unrelenting idiocy cloaked in religious terms. I used no bad language nor wished them death or any violent fate. ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rape-the-forcing-of-a-soul-tie-between-the-rapist-and-victim/509008/37 "2009-09-06T12:55:28Z")
On behalf of the rest of Christendom, and knowing that many members of it may say the same of me, the opinions of kanicbird are solely his or her own and do not necessarily represent any one else in this world or others. ---
**Author:** ![constanze](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@constanze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/constanze)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rape-the-forcing-of-a-soul-tie-between-the-rapist-and-victim/509008/38 "2009-09-06T13:01:12Z")
> [@FriarTed](#): > > On behalf of the rest of Christendom, and knowing that many members of it may say the same of me, the opinions of kanicbird are solely his or her own and do not necessarily represent any one else in this world or others. I would certainly hope that there aren’t any other people who think or have opinions like kanicbird. ---
**Author:** ![constanze](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@constanze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/constanze)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rape-the-forcing-of-a-soul-tie-between-the-rapist-and-victim/509008/39 "2009-09-06T13:04:38Z")
> [@aruvqan](#): > > I do not see why, I was expressing my wish that this person would be banned thanks to their unrelenting idiocy cloaked in religious terms. But kanicbird is useful! If we ever encounter evil androids like the Enterprise did in that TOS episode, and you need to confuse them, one post by kanicbird will make their heads explode. The grammar and expression itself\* is so hard to understand, let alone the very special logic kanicbird employs. - I’m assuming here that kanicbird is a native English speaker. If English is his/her second language and that’s why he/she is expressing himself so unclear, then I apologize and retract that part. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rape-the-forcing-of-a-soul-tie-between-the-rapist-and-victim/509008/40 "2009-09-06T13:15:09Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Adding on date rape, the above is premeditated by her by the heart, not (necessarily) by the head - she will most likely not realize that she sets this up. This is what comes out of her heart as spoken of by Jesus. Her heart is looking for a way to unburden itself of something, usually sexual, even molestation as a child, by transference. > > The more she comes out the more comfort she receives (a longing if her heart is to be comforted for some past wrong put onto her), and the more punishment he receives. Again this is misplaced onto this guy. > > Healing of this is the guy realizing that he wrongly submitted to her and was taken advantage, not because she is evil (but she did commit a evil act), but because she was just trying to find a way to receive comfort that was withheld from her, forgiving her and himself and asking God to heal him. > > For her is it is realization that what was put on her in the past needs to be healed, she needs to forgive the original act and person who hurt her. Are you saying every instance of date rape is like this, or that it’s possible for an instance of date rape to be like this? In other words, could you explain what you mean by “date rape” in mundane terms? According to its outer appearances or something? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rape-the-forcing-of-a-soul-tie-between-the-rapist-and-victim/509008.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rape-the-forcing-of-a-soul-tie-between-the-rapist-and-victim/509008.md?page=3)