# Is rape the forcing of a soul tie between the rapist and victim? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 5, 2009, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rape-the-forcing-of-a-soul-tie-between-the-rapist-and-victim/509008 "2009-09-05T23:55:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Captain\_Awesome](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a698b9/32.png) [@Captain\_Awesome](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Awesome)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rape-the-forcing-of-a-soul-tie-between-the-rapist-and-victim/509008/61 "2009-09-06T22:22:07Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Unfortunately yes, this is a horrible offense against a sinless (if young enough) person who has to bear the weight of the sin of the molester. The child is in a powerless position and has no choice. So in your own terms ‘sinless’ children who have ‘no choice’ are punished by God by virtue of the ‘sin’ imposed on them by others. How is this moral? ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rape-the-forcing-of-a-soul-tie-between-the-rapist-and-victim/509008/62 "2009-09-06T22:30:21Z")
> [@Captain\_Awesome](#): > > So in your own terms ‘sinless’ children who have ‘no choice’ are punished by God by virtue of the ‘sin’ imposed on them by others. How is this moral? It is the ‘morality’ that man accepted when mankind accepted Satan’s temptation of Adam and Eve instead of the personal relationship with God that god desires. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rape-the-forcing-of-a-soul-tie-between-the-rapist-and-victim/509008/63 "2009-09-06T22:32:38Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > Are you saying that for you, sex is about that? Or for anyone? For me. I’m absolutely certain about that. But then I have to ask myself if I am all that different from other men? You tell me. Call it a “soul tie” or call it a simple mental/emotional to the point of intimate connection. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Awesome](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a698b9/32.png) [@Captain\_Awesome](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Awesome)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rape-the-forcing-of-a-soul-tie-between-the-rapist-and-victim/509008/64 "2009-09-06T22:34:35Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > In my view all sin comes from a single source, the devil/Satan. One further point, God explicitly states, > [@](#): > > Isaiah 45:7; I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. How do you reconcile this with your understanding? Your belief is in direct contradiction of this statement. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rape-the-forcing-of-a-soul-tie-between-the-rapist-and-victim/509008/65 "2009-09-06T22:37:54Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > For me. I’m absolutely certain about that. But then I have to ask myself if I am all that different from other men? You tell me. > > Call it a “soul tie” or call it a simple mental/emotional to the point of intimate connection. Okay…I’m just not sure that’s what’s going on in a rape. Or in sex where you don’t love the other person, like a one night stand. To spiritually attach to another person, you both need to care about each other, and I don’t think anyone cares about each other in a rape. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Awesome](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a698b9/32.png) [@Captain\_Awesome](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Awesome)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rape-the-forcing-of-a-soul-tie-between-the-rapist-and-victim/509008/66 "2009-09-06T22:42:44Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > It is the ‘morality’ that man accepted when mankind accepted Satan’s temptation of Adam and Eve instead of the personal relationship with God that god desires. Adam and Eve had no concept or knowledge of morality prior to the fall. They could not ‘morally’ accept anything, or define or understand their actions in those terms. How do you differentiate this from your concept of a ‘sinless’ child? Again, how is punishing a ‘sinless’ child moral? ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rape-the-forcing-of-a-soul-tie-between-the-rapist-and-victim/509008/67 "2009-09-06T22:48:27Z")
> [@](#): > > Numbers 14:18 > 'The LORD is slow to anger, abounding in love and forgiving sin and rebellion. **Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation.’** Nor, apparently, does your god leave the _innocent_ unpunished. To the fourth generation? > [@](#): > > Deuteronomy 5:9 > You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, **punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me** What an, evil, nasty diety you worship, that punishes _children_ for something _someone else_ did, in some cases did _before they were ever born_. HOW can you proclaim your god to be “loving” when it does such horrible things? How can you reconcile the claim of “love” with punishing the innocent for other peoples’ sins? That makes _no sense_. > [@kanicbird](#): > > This (Ez 18:20) is only after one personally knows and accepts Jesus - the son will be freed from the sins of the father and the father will have to bear them, before that you fall under Duet 5:9, Num 14:18. Again - that does not seem compatible with a loving and just god. > [@](#): > > There are 2 covenants, one the old one where generation curses are a way of dealing with sin, and the one that Jesus offers full forgiveness for just knowing Him. So if you know Jesus everything is OK, whether you truly repent or not, and murder, rape, or theft is automatically forgiven, but someone who has done none of those things - a week old baby, for example - is somehow covered in sin and goes straight to hell? This has also been one of the WTF? stumbling blocks I have with Christianity. This sort of doctrine is illogical. > [@kanicbird](#): > > I understand your point of view and can accept it as it does seem reasonable and does seem to offer some form of justice by providing comfort and satisfaction to who we perceive as the victim and punishment to the perp. It is the normal human response. > > I do believe it to be wrong however. I have witnessed people controlled and manipulated by others. Well, coercion is a Bad Thing in my religion, too. That is also a sin. But if the man in the hypothetical date rape situation is being manipulated why doesn’t he have the moral strength to refrain from sinning? In fact, I am _certain_ there are men who have successfully resisted temptation. Saying “it’s her fault, she manipulated me!” doesn’t cut the mustard. The man is responsible for HIS actions. > [@](#): > > Also your point of view means there are defective people, I don’t believe that to be true and very damaging to those people. If they’re defective they’re already damaged. Why don’t you believe there are damaged people? Is it because it’s easier to believe in a god who punishes children yet to be born? > [@](#): > > These people at the bottom are suffering the greatest injustice and IMHO the people in jail (and other forms of confinement) are the ones bearing the sins of the people who are free. WTF? 😕 If a thief is in jail it’s because _he committed a crime_, not becaue I sinned somehow. That’s _ridiculous_. > [@kanicbird](#): > > There is a lot that goes hidden in sexual relationships, which is a issue of the heart, and does not mean a physical sexual relationship. When 2 people come together in a close relationship their spirits may unite to some degree. If both parties ‘fantasize’ about each other a sexual relation has started, if only in the heart, though the 2 spirits are linked. This (again IMHO) is the reason for sudden sexual thoughts of one person as the other at that time is thinking about them, as common example is how men, especially in their teens, may get erections when nothing seems to be happening, it is someone thinking about them in a sexual way, their spirit responds and there is a real physical response. Oh, those poor men, at the mercy of evil, witchy women! It’s all the _women’s_ fault that men have sexual impulse, it couldn’t _possibly_ be something on the man’s part, some thought belong wholly to him, that could be a work here. :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > Unfortunately yes, this is a horrible offense against a sinless (if young enough) person who has to bear the weight of the sin of the molester. The child is in a powerless position and has no choice. I am having a HUGE problem with a system that dumps sin on the innocent. > [@](#): > > So you are saying that it will have absolutely no effects on your interaction with your kids if you are pissed off - I don’t believe you believe this is true. If you are pissed off at someone and with your kids your kids will pick up on that. Oh, the kids might know the parent is pissed off - that doesn’t mean the parent has to take it out on the kids. Really. When I was a kid I remember times when one or the other of my parents came home pissed about something but were very careful to speak softly and kindly to us kids, reassure us we had nothing to do with the problem, and in no way “take it out on” us. Like I said, what kind of jacked-up family did you grow up in, that you think it’s somehow normal for parents to inflict anger and frustrations on their kids? I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, I am saying it’s wrong and not normal. > [@](#): > > There is no such thing, what there is is marriages that are not based on scriptural principals and have power inequalities that can be exploited. But the 2 are really one person, and a person can not rape themselves. Scripturally marriage between a man and a woman is the same as the relationship of Jesus and the body of believers called the church. Marriage ideally has 2 parts, one the female (or the church) submitting their will and identity totally to the man (or the Lord Jesus), AND equally as important the man (or the Lord Jesus) freeing the woman (or the church) to act totally in His behalf as a totally equal partner. Quick tip - when one partner is “submitting their will and identity totally to the man” the woman and the man are _ **NOT equal partners!** _. Next you will tell me black is white and up is down. Again, stupid, illogical contradictions. It’s like Zen koans, but much less amusing, and not leading to enlightenment. > [@](#): > > When either the first condition (the woman not fully submitting to the man), or the second condition (the man not fully freeing the woman) is not met then the marriage is not scriptural and not fully protected by God, allowing such things as what you call spousal rape. :rolleyes: If a man forces his wife to have sex against her will _it is rape_. Being married does not give one partner the license to abuse or coerce the other. The notion that is does is repugnant enough to make me vomit. If you love someone you do not force them to submit. IF what you practice is Christianity it’s certainly a minority sect, and a twisted version of it. It’s certainly not what I got from reading the Bible (old and new testaments). It’s not what I see other Christians, including my spouse, practicing or holding up as their faith. ---
**Author:** ![Jerseyman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bbce88/32.png) [@Jerseyman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jerseyman)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rape-the-forcing-of-a-soul-tie-between-the-rapist-and-victim/509008/68 "2009-09-06T22:52:00Z")
Has anybody gone to some place where the accent is so strong that you can cut it with a knife or read Middle English or heard Chaucer in the original or a conversation in Afrikans? This is the feeling I get here: I _sort of_ understand what he’s getting at and I _sort of_ agree with parts of the ideas behind it but it’s like _parallel world_ stuff. I have trouble with the concept of _sin_ anyway; _Guilt_ I can understand being transferred (in fact I think that happens in a lot of brutal rapes), pressure causing the bottom end to behave like savages, that I understand too, even _some_ (dubious) cases of date-rape (_We were naked in bed and I told him to stop_ - don’t get on the flight if you’re not sure about going to the airport). But the words are all wrong. It’s like the _Cotton Mather school of Psychology_ I have my own ideas about the Adam & Eve myth and I happen to think it one of the most important in the early Bible. I can guarantee K won’t like my version though. Who knows _in detail_ why it says YHWH (it’s significant that it is YHWH there but ‘Elohim’ in the Gen 1 _Created them in ‘His’ own likeness, Male and Female_) threw a tantrum of literally ‘biblical’ proportions? Because they disobeyed? Read it _“Because now they are as Us, knowing Good from Evil”_. Now think - why would a moral deity be furious because his charges have learnt morality just like him? Isn’t that what a moral deity would want? It’s like a parent kicking up stink because their kids have said they realise doing drugs and theft and underage sex and all that stuff is _bad news_ and they’re going to study hard and be nice to people. Summat do be wrong somewhere me hearties. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rape-the-forcing-of-a-soul-tie-between-the-rapist-and-victim/509008/69 "2009-09-06T22:59:46Z")
> [@Angry Lurker](#): > > I honestly believe you are arguing in good faith. I also believe you are, in your own way, a good person. I disagree. Woohoo, more fuel for my secret witch engine! ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rape-the-forcing-of-a-soul-tie-between-the-rapist-and-victim/509008/70 "2009-09-06T23:00:44Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > Okay…I’m just not sure that’s what’s going on in a rape. Or in sex where you don’t love the other person, like a one night stand. To spiritually attach to another person, you both need to care about each other, and I don’t think anyone cares about each other in a rape. Lust will work just as well of Love in soul ties. Lust is the willingness to take for your own benefit, love is the willingness to give regardless of ‘repayment’. Lust is selfish, love is selfless. ---
**Author:** ![Blut\_Aus\_Nord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Blut\_Aus\_Nord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blut_Aus_Nord)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rape-the-forcing-of-a-soul-tie-between-the-rapist-and-victim/509008/71 "2009-09-06T23:04:15Z")
kanicbird is talking about indemnity. It’s a condition of spiritual restoration of one’s ancestors through suffering. Taking the most extreme example, child molestation, the child is in the position to restore the sins of his ancestry if he can bear the experience without projecting it onto others later in life. The molester, on the other hand, is now setting a course of suffering and tribulation for his descendants, although hopefully there won’t be any. That’s the concept of indemnity, and how it ties into the course of restoration since the Fall, but no one has had the wherewithal to restore original sin, leading to a vicious cycle. Am I right, kanicbird? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rape-the-forcing-of-a-soul-tie-between-the-rapist-and-victim/509008/72 "2009-09-06T23:58:49Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > The way you stated this, with the ‘Not me’ part seems like denial, it is a issue it appears to me, you are not able to discuss. That is only IMHO but I will go further. If you’re implying I’ve been raped, or molested, the answer is NO. It’s not “denial”, it’s reality. > [@](#): > > There is a lot that goes hidden in sexual relationships, which is a issue of the heart, and does not mean a physical sexual relationship. When 2 people come together in a close relationship their spirits may unite to some degree. If both parties ‘fantasize’ about each other a sexual relation has started, if only in the heart, though the 2 spirits are linked. This (again IMHO) is the reason for sudden sexual thoughts of one person as the other at that time is thinking about them, as common example is how men, especially in their teens, may get erections when nothing seems to be happening, it is someone thinking about them in a sexual way, their spirit responds and there is a real physical response. A date – let’s say, just getting together for dinner, or whatever (doesn’t even have to be romantic) that doesn’t include sex (yes, it happens, people!), doesn’t create a “sexual link” or whatever you’re talking about. And even if it does, “no means NO.” What about the rapist? What have you to say about him? > [@](#): > > In the same way their spiritual can be having sex while they are out on a date, the act is a continuation of the spiritual sex act. Spiritual sex? WTF? I’m eating dinner and watching a movie with a person – and I’m somehow having sex with him "spiritually? Mmmmkay. > [@](#): > > Unfortunately yes, this is a horrible offense against a sinless (if young enough) person who has to bear the weight of the sin of the molester. The child is in a powerless position and has no choice. The last sentence is true – only in that the child, depending on the age, is often unable to stop the abuse, and has no way out. They only “bear the weight” in that they have to suffer from said abuse. But they’re not “tied to their abuser.” > [@](#): > > So you are saying that it will have absolutely no effects on your interaction with your kids if you are pissed off - I don’t believe you believe this is true. If you are pissed off at someone and with your kids your kids will pick up on that. No. Of course my kids would know I’m cranky! I remember my dad coming home and being pissy – but that wouldn’t mean he’d start slapping my mother around, and that she would then do the same to us! He’d most just sit by himself for a little quiet time to relax. Being in a bad mood is NO EXCUSE for abusing others. > [@](#): > > There is no such thing, what there is is marriages that are not based on scriptural principals and have power inequalities that can be exploited. But the 2 are really one person, and a person can not rape themselves. Scripturally marriage between a man and a woman is the same as the relationship of Jesus and the body of believers called the church. Marriage ideally has 2 parts, one the female (or the church) submitting their will and identity totally to the man (or the Lord Jesus), AND equally as important the man (or the Lord Jesus) freeing the woman (or the church) to act totally in His behalf as a totally equal partner. When either the first condition (the woman not fully submitting to the man), or the second condition (the man not fully freeing the woman) is not met then the marriage is not scriptural and not fully protected by God, allowing such things as what you call spousal rape. WTF? So, if I’m married, and I’m tired – or I have a cold, or whatever. I had a long day, and I want to go to bed. Well my husband is in a randy mood, and he wants to have sex. I say no, I’m not in the mood, please, not tonight. He grabs me, and even though I say no, he forces me to have sex. That’s not rape? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![fuzzypickles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/9d8465/32.png) [@fuzzypickles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fuzzypickles)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2009, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rape-the-forcing-of-a-soul-tie-between-the-rapist-and-victim/509008/73 "2009-09-07T01:46:52Z")
**kanicbird** , are you a member of [The Family?](http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/07/21/c_street/) Because that sure would explain a lot. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2009, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rape-the-forcing-of-a-soul-tie-between-the-rapist-and-victim/509008/74 "2009-09-07T02:35:54Z")
Wow, so when I get morning wood, it’s because someone is having dirty thoughts about me? That’s a nice thought, actually. **Kanicbird** , do you have first-hand experience with this situation? Has a woman ever deceived you into forcing yourself upon her? ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2009, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rape-the-forcing-of-a-soul-tie-between-the-rapist-and-victim/509008/75 "2009-09-07T13:04:15Z")
> [@Captain\_Awesome](#): > > The book of Ezekiel, as part of the Old Testament, is generally accepted as being written in the 500s B.C., and as such existed before Jesus offered, ‘full forgiveness for knowing him’. Yet the chapter is explicit in the fact that, ‘the son will not share the guilt of the father’. In other words, God had communicated this fact _before_ the second covenant existed. Therefore your explanation is not a solution to the inherent contradiction present in scripture. Logically the only way to sustain your conceit would be to accept that God did not have a consistent position during this time frame. Children were, depending upon which passage you read, either punished or not punished for the sins of their fathers. Your preference for the view that children _are_ punished is not resolved in your terms for half a millennium. It is not a matter scriptural clarity, you are simply choosing to ignore a statement of God’s word because you cannot resolve the contradiction. There is no contradiction: > [@](#): > > John 8:58 > “I tell you the truth,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” > [@](#): > > Colossians 1:15 > He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. Jesus was/is/will be always. Spacetime is not a barrier to the Lord, or if this helps consider subjective reality. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2009, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rape-the-forcing-of-a-soul-tie-between-the-rapist-and-victim/509008/76 "2009-09-07T13:47:47Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > WTF? So, if I’m married, and I’m tired – or I have a cold, or whatever. I had a long day, and I want to go to bed. Well my husband is in a randy mood, and he wants to have sex. I say no, I’m not in the mood, please, not tonight. He grabs me, and even though I say no, he forces me to have sex. That’s not rape? > > :dubious: Actually, from what I’m getting regarding the whole “marriage means they become one” all sex within marriage is masturbation, so spousal rape is the Marriage Entity forcing itself to masturbate. Yeah, I get a “does not compute” out of that one, too. Marriage does not make two people become “one”. Empirical evidence is ample to prove the contrary. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2009, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rape-the-forcing-of-a-soul-tie-between-the-rapist-and-victim/509008/77 "2009-09-07T14:02:18Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > and I’m tired – or I have a cold, or whatever. I had a long day, and I want to go to bed. Well my husband is in a randy mood, and he wants to have sex. I say no, I’m not in the mood, please, not tonight. He grabs me, and even though I say no, he forces me to have sex. That’s not rape? > > :dubious: No it is not rape, it is struggle inside a single body for control, what part bears the burden. One partner burning with desire and the other person denying them is the other end of this, it is equally a power struggle for control within the body. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2009, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rape-the-forcing-of-a-soul-tie-between-the-rapist-and-victim/509008/78 "2009-09-07T14:13:19Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Spacetime is not a barrier to the Lord, . So Jesus is not just Lord but a Time Lord? And Lo, Herod said “EXTERMINATE the children! EXTERMINATE!” Yea, thou shall leadest me beside the still waters Thy rod and sonic screwdriver they comfort me. And yea he fed the multitudes from but a tiny bag, saying “Jelly Baby?” ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2009, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rape-the-forcing-of-a-soul-tie-between-the-rapist-and-victim/509008/79 "2009-09-07T14:17:21Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > Wow, so when I get morning wood, it’s because someone is having dirty thoughts about me? That’s a nice thought, actually. It may be, but sometimes it’s a love triangle where you are left out in the cold. Her mind and body is given to one person, spiritually she is making love to you, but having sex with someone else. **Kanicbird** , do you have first-hand experience with this situation? Has a woman ever deceived you into forcing yourself upon her? [/QUOTE] While I don’t recall this type of situation ever coming up, I doubt it, it has not happened in any explicit form. I have experienced being manipulation by yielding control and being lead around like a puppy dog on a leash where she had full control and access to me. She gained full control of who I can see, she was able to control my access to others, she would withdraw any and all friends for months at a time as punishment. This was all done totally spiritually not physically, via voodoo and witchcraft, it was very very real and very very effective. My friends would not return calls or emails during this time. Part of the deception is once she restores friends you end up thanking her for it (as you don’t realize it was her that removed them), which gains her more power. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Awesome](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a698b9/32.png) [@Captain\_Awesome](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Awesome)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2009, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rape-the-forcing-of-a-soul-tie-between-the-rapist-and-victim/509008/80 "2009-09-07T14:19:13Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > There is no contradiction: > > Jesus was/is/will be always. > > Spacetime is not a barrier to the Lord, or if this helps consider subjective reality. Regardless of the claim that Jesus was/is/will be always, the second covenant was not communicated for half a millennium. God’s position during this period was inherently contradictory. Even if you assume that the physical limits of space-time do not apply to Jesus, it does not alter the fact that God had communicated to mankind that the sins of the forefather both _were_ and _were not_ born by subsequent generations. The offer of redemption through Jesus had not been made to these children. Scripture states they were both ‘punished’ and ‘not punished’ within this reference frame. It is an irresolvable contradiction in terms, alongside numerous other scriptural examples. Your bias towards one outcome is undermined by the direct word of God (from a literal position), whichever position you take. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rape-the-forcing-of-a-soul-tie-between-the-rapist-and-victim/509008.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rape-the-forcing-of-a-soul-tie-between-the-rapist-and-victim/509008.md?page=5)