# Is Rudy Giuliani destitute? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [November 26, 2024, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rudy-giuliani-destitute/1010820 "2024-11-26T19:25:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rudy-giuliani-destitute/1010820/21 "2024-11-27T03:48:24Z")
Boy if that’s not a punchable face, I don’t know what is. ---
**Author:** ![Banksiaman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banksiaman/32/3334_2.png) [@Banksiaman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banksiaman)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rudy-giuliani-destitute/1010820/22 "2024-11-27T04:14:11Z")
If you have some children that are misbehaving you can always use the court artist’s rendition of Rudy in full poverty affirmation to scare them back onto the straight and narrow. [https://www.reuters.com/world/us/i-cant-pay-my-bills-rudy-giuliani-says-courtroom-outburst-2024-11-26/](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/i-cant-pay-my-bills-rudy-giuliani-says-courtroom-outburst-2024-11-26/) ---
**Author:** ![doreen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/858c86/32.png) [@doreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doreen)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rudy-giuliani-destitute/1010820/23 "2024-11-27T04:14:44Z")
He apparently [did not](https://nypost.com/2023/12/30/metro/bankrupt-rudy-giuliani-regrets-not-having-nyc-pension/) apply for his NYC pension and my guess is that he also didn’t apply for any Federal pension he was entitled to. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rudy-giuliani-destitute/1010820/24 "2024-11-27T04:32:16Z")
> [@bump](#): > > Boy if that’s not a punchable face, I don’t know what is After reading the Wikipedia page on him, I want to punch him even more. (Andrew Giuliani) ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rudy-giuliani-destitute/1010820/25 "2024-11-27T04:48:57Z")
> [@Banksiaman](#): > > you can always use the court artist’s rendition of Rudy in full poverty affirmation to scare them back onto the straight and narrow. [![](https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:k6p7fm7yqcdng5bxjwvatjsn/bafkreibyx4otvlvqt6ujg5tkcyny2uadc2sir4u2ctju54kqg3eysxmdd4@jpeg) ](https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:k6p7fm7yqcdng5bxjwvatjsn/bafkreibyx4otvlvqt6ujg5tkcyny2uadc2sir4u2ctju54kqg3eysxmdd4@jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rudy-giuliani-destitute/1010820/26 "2024-11-27T05:14:11Z")
This is exactly what lawyers do not want to see from their client in the courtroom. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rudy-giuliani-destitute/1010820/27 "2024-11-27T11:09:59Z")
That sort of emotional involvement in a hearing is exactly why lawyers should hire lawyers to represent them. And the smart ones do. ---
**Author:** ![spifflog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@spifflog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spifflog)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rudy-giuliani-destitute/1010820/28 "2024-11-27T11:33:52Z")
> [@doreen](#): > > He apparently [did not](https://nypost.com/2023/12/30/metro/bankrupt-rudy-giuliani-regrets-not-having-nyc-pension/) apply for his NYC pension and my guess is that he also didn’t apply for any Federal pension he was entitled to. He has less than ten years as a Fed. That will clock in at less than $10,000 a year. I’d cash that check myself, but it won’t keep him nafloat. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rudy-giuliani-destitute/1010820/29 "2024-11-27T12:20:20Z")
I just bought a house for about 5,000 less than that! ---
**Author:** ![Eric1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3bc359/32.png) [@Eric1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eric1)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rudy-giuliani-destitute/1010820/30 "2024-11-27T12:30:58Z")
Congratulations Frodo - a virtual housewarming is in order! ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rudy-giuliani-destitute/1010820/31 "2024-11-27T12:34:03Z")
Thanks! 😊 ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rudy-giuliani-destitute/1010820/32 "2024-11-27T12:51:19Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Apparently the bankruptcy court allowed Rudy to spend up to $43,000.00 a MONTH, but he was unable or unwilling to live in that kind of abject poverty. > > [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/01/us/politics/bankruptcy-giuliani-spending.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/01/us/politics/bankruptcy-giuliani-spending.html) You try living in New York City on a few hundred thousand a year. ---
**Author:** ![md-2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@md-2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/md-2000)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rudy-giuliani-destitute/1010820/33 "2024-11-27T13:38:57Z")
> [@spifflog](#): > > > [@doreen](#): > > > > He apparently [did not](https://nypost.com/2023/12/30/metro/bankrupt-rudy-giuliani-regrets-not-having-nyc-pension/) apply for his NYC pension and my guess is that he also didn’t apply for any Federal pension he was entitled to. > > He has less than ten years as a Fed. That will clock in at less than $10,000 a year. I’d cash that check myself, but it won’t keep him nafloat. I don’t know, but surely on a top prosecutor’s salary, even after less than 10 years, would he have had enough of a salary that he would have a decent pension by my standards or yours? > Former Mayor Bill de Blasio collects a $113,131-a-year [pension after serving two decades](https://nypost.com/2022/05/07/critics-want-de-blasios-pension-docked-until-he-pays-for-misusing-nypd-detail/) in elected office, including public advocate and on the City Council, according to the New York City Employees’ Retirement System. > Former Mayor and Manhattan Borough President David Dinkins collected $59,657 yearly before his death in 2020, and former Mayor Ed Koch received $49,065 annually before his 2013 death. The link doesn’t mention whether Rudi can still apply. I would imagine a small pension like that would keep him nicely in a studio apartment or care home in Binghamton or Oswego if he can avoid blowing it all on Glen Fiddich ---
**Author:** ![doreen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/858c86/32.png) [@doreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doreen)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rudy-giuliani-destitute/1010820/34 "2024-11-27T14:12:38Z")
Maybe not - my pension would be 1.6% for each year of service so 10 years would be 16%. Salaries for US Attorneys ran about $50K in 1981 so maybe he would get $8K a year , if Federal pensions use the same percentage as mine. (and it’s probably less - I think some Fed pensions are 1% per year. ) So about $36K between the two of them. The reason those other mayors have higher pension amounts is because of their years of service - David Dinkins was the Manhattan Borough President , a state assemblyman and the city clerk in addition to being mayor. I think he had more than 20 years service - at which point he would have received 2% per year of service. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rudy-giuliani-destitute/1010820/35 "2024-11-27T14:25:12Z")
I am unaware of any bankruptcy or garnishment laws that would leave an individual “destitute” - at least according to any definition I have of that term. It is very possible (and, IMO desirable) that the individual would no longer be able to enjoy their previous lifestyle. Heck - no reason Rudy HAS to live in Manhattan. He could live very affordably in a studio apartment somewhere in Kansas. That would not IMO mean he was destitute. IRL, however, it is impressive how successful people can be at shielding their assets from collection. I spent a brief stint doing collections for a private law firm. As cynical as I already was, it sorta shocked me how successful shitty people (or at least, people engaging in risky, aggressive activities) could be at shielding themselves from the full impact when/if things went south. Not at all unusual to have some ostensibly wealthy person living the high life, but then when you get a judgment against them - SURPRISE! Nothing is in their name, and they don’t even collect a sizable salary. Privatize profit, socialize the losses, baby! Makes America great! ---
**Author:** ![Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/marvin_the_martian/32/2898_2.png) [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marvin_the_Martian)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rudy-giuliani-destitute/1010820/36 "2024-11-27T15:21:07Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > Heck - no reason Rudy HAS to live in Manhattan. He could live very affordably in a studio apartment somewhere in Kansas. He can do both - there is a Manhattan in Kansas. ---
**Author:** ![ftg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ftg/32/2801_2.png) [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rudy-giuliani-destitute/1010820/37 "2024-11-27T15:35:51Z")
Rudy has a condo in Florida that is his main residence. Gee, an elderly New Yorker living in Florida, that’s gotta be unique. This condo is currently not on the list of assets to be turned over but it is being discussed. Taking possession of a home in FL is tricky. ---
**Author:** ![JacobSwan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a6a055/32.png) [@JacobSwan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JacobSwan)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rudy-giuliani-destitute/1010820/38 "2024-11-27T15:47:46Z")
> [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](#): > > He can do both - there is a Manhattan in Kansas. Is that the one in ‘Somebody, somewhere’? Seems like a lovely little town. They even sell appropriate cushions. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rudy-giuliani-destitute/1010820/39 "2024-11-27T16:11:41Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > I am unaware of any bankruptcy or garnishment laws that would leave an individual “destitute” - at least according to any definition I have of that term. And aren’t pensions and a home usually immune from garnishment? That was one of the reasons OJ Simpson lives in Florida, because pensions are protected. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-rudy-giuliani-destitute/1010820/40 "2024-11-27T16:42:36Z")
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