# Is Samantha Bee being too hard on white women/(herself)? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [November 16, 2016, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-samantha-bee-being-too-hard-on-white-women-herself/772175 "2016-11-16T16:37:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-samantha-bee-being-too-hard-on-white-women-herself/772175/1 "2016-11-16T16:37:24Z")
[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/s1SaD-gSZO4/maxresdefault.jpg "The Morning After (The 2016 Election) | Full Frontal with Samantha Bee | TBS") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1SaD-gSZO4) Wow. She really sticks it to white women. Why are people like this? I’ve been sick of people telling me I’M the problem, (when I vote the way I do), for a long time now. Now I see white women blaming themselves, and it makes me sad. I don’t want people to feel ashamed of who they are any more than I want to be shamed for who I am. People act as if these women have no agency when they don’t vote for their candidate. ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-samantha-bee-being-too-hard-on-white-women-herself/772175/2 "2016-11-16T20:25:21Z")
You think you’re in her target demographic? Try being an old low-income white guy like me. But I couldn’t agree more with her. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-samantha-bee-being-too-hard-on-white-women-herself/772175/3 "2016-11-17T00:08:44Z")
It’s a good thing to recognize your own problems. White women did vote for Trump. I’m not saying they should have voted for the female candidate, but at least not the sexist candidate who is okay with grabbing them by their genitals because he’s famous. Say what you like about Clinton, but she was very good for women’s causes in general. I have no fucking idea why she didn’t run on that. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-samantha-bee-being-too-hard-on-white-women-herself/772175/4 "2016-11-17T00:21:16Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > White women did vote for Trump. I had a very long/recent conversation with a waitress in NC who adamantly defended voting for Trump. Ms. Bee isn’t wrong. “But you make $2.13 an four. Why would you honestly fight making $15 an hour? Why is that so wrong?” “Well, with tips I make more than that now.” “But you’re like… 24? 25? You might be more attractive now than you’ll ever be. What about when you are in your 40s and those tips aren’t coming? What are you going to do? Go into the woods, dig a hole, lie down in at and just die? Is that what you want your future to hold for you?” “Thats just how it is…” ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-samantha-bee-being-too-hard-on-white-women-herself/772175/5 "2016-11-17T01:19:05Z")
> [@Count\_Blucher](#): > > I had a very long/recent conversation with a waitress in NC who adamantly defended voting for Trump. Ms. Bee isn’t wrong. > > “But you make $2.13 an four. Why would you honestly fight making $15 an hour? Why is that so wrong?” > “Well, with tips I make more than that now.” > “But you’re like… 24? 25? You might be more attractive now than you’ll ever be. What about when you are in your 40s and those tips aren’t coming? What are you going to do? Go into the woods, dig a hole, lie down in at and just die? Is that what you want your future to hold for you?” > “Thats just how it is…” Did you just imply that she only makes good tips because of her young looks??? Check yo privilege dawg!! ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-samantha-bee-being-too-hard-on-white-women-herself/772175/6 "2016-11-17T01:29:27Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > Did you just imply that she only makes good tips because of her young looks??? > > Check yo privilege dawg!! Ageism is a fact of life we all deal with eventually. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-samantha-bee-being-too-hard-on-white-women-herself/772175/7 "2016-11-17T01:59:53Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > It’s a good thing to recognize your own problems. White women did vote for Trump. I’m not saying they should have voted for the female candidate, but at least not the sexist candidate who is okay with grabbing them by their genitals because he’s famous. > > Say what you like about Clinton, but she was very good for women’s causes in general. I have no fucking idea why she didn’t run on that. How is it HER problem? She voted for Hillary. But yes, I understand that he’s a sexist asshole. I just worry about alienating allies in groups like mine… I’m 35 cis male. I’m not PROUD of it, but I refuse to apologize for being me. I feel as if people want me to. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-samantha-bee-being-too-hard-on-white-women-herself/772175/8 "2016-11-17T02:03:53Z")
> [@MyFootsZZZ](#): > > I just worry about alienating allies in groups like mine… I’m 35 cis male. I’m not PROUD of it, but I refuse to apologize for being me. I feel as if people want me to. That’s a weird sentiment. When I talk to my dad about politics he says the same thing. “I’m not going to apologize for being white.” Dude, who’s asking you to? Is this a meme bouncing around news sites that I don’t visit? ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-samantha-bee-being-too-hard-on-white-women-herself/772175/9 "2016-11-17T02:08:35Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > That’s a weird sentiment. When I talk to my dad about politics he says the same thing. “I’m not going to apologize for being white.” Dude, who’s asking you to? Is this a meme bouncing around news sites that I don’t visit? Oh… Not apologize. “Check my privilege” ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-samantha-bee-being-too-hard-on-white-women-herself/772175/10 "2016-11-17T02:39:55Z")
Fuck that Canadian. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-samantha-bee-being-too-hard-on-white-women-herself/772175/11 "2016-11-17T02:40:07Z")
> [@MyFootsZZZ](#): > > Oh… Not apologize. > > “Check my privilege” That’s not the same as apologizing. But has anyone ever in fact asked you to check your privilege? If they did, do you understand what that means? If so, what do you think you would lose in doing it? None of this is asking for an apology or deference, as you appear to think. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-samantha-bee-being-too-hard-on-white-women-herself/772175/12 "2016-11-17T03:04:13Z")
Because who’s to say where I would be if I were born a woman, or born anything other than white. Right now I’m not in a secure or great place. It could be worse, but no one knows. I work for two women. Respect them, (other than the fact that they’re Trump supporters). I’m at the bottom of the food chain here. In real life, people get along with one another. So, you’re right, no one has personally asked me to check my privilege. If they did, it would be like kicking me when I’m down. Sent from my VS986 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-samantha-bee-being-too-hard-on-white-women-herself/772175/13 "2016-11-17T03:28:13Z")
> [@MyFootsZZZ](#): > > In real life, people get along with one another. So, you’re right, no one has personally asked me to check my privilege. If they did, it would be like kicking me when I’m down. 1. So working for two women means you are “down” 2. So no one has actually ever asked you to check your privilege. 3. So you don’t actually know what “check your privilege” means or in what context it is properly used but you do seem to know that it requires you to “apologize for being a white cis man.” ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-samantha-bee-being-too-hard-on-white-women-herself/772175/14 "2016-11-17T03:37:01Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > That’s a weird sentiment. When I talk to my dad about politics he says the same thing. “I’m not going to apologize for being white.” Dude, who’s asking you to? Is this a meme bouncing around news sites that I don’t visit? Sam Bee: “HEY Caucasian Nation!!!??? What the fuck!!!?? Its YOUR fault Trump is President.” NOT the woman who gave a job to the DNC head after she (Debbie) was caught with her hand in the cookie jar. NOT the woman who couldn’t defeat Chester Cheetah. (electorally) Yeah…its white people’s fault. NOT the guy who cozied up to Castro, alienating all those Cubans in Florida. WHIIIIIIIITIEEEEEEEEE ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-samantha-bee-being-too-hard-on-white-women-herself/772175/15 "2016-11-17T03:58:11Z")
1. Not at all. Why would you even assume that’s what I meant? I’m ‘down’ because of where I work and what I do. 2. Not directly. No. 3. I’ve seen plenty of people liberally asking others to check their privilege… in these instances, it’s often unjustified or not relevant imho, but I suppose that’s up for the observer to decide. It’s not Sam Bee’s personal responsibility to answer for all the women who voted for Trump… and talk down to them as a whole. There are white men who are terrified… and if I were born a woman or black, I would be even more afraid. MUCH more afraid. If that’s what you mean by checking my privilege, then I do constantly. I literally never cry over my own personal problems, but I lose it when I see other people sad, (or happy). I just want to get along with everyone. But now things are just going to be worse for everyone. Sent from my VS986 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-samantha-bee-being-too-hard-on-white-women-herself/772175/16 "2016-11-17T04:15:38Z")
> [@MyFootsZZZ](#): > > 1. Not at all. Why would you even assume that’s what I meant? I’m ‘down’ because of where I work and what I do. The idea of white or male privilege is not based on where you work nor what you do. It has to do with how society and people in authority treat you _relative to_ people who are in the same position as you but are not white or not male, because they are not white or not male. And it usually has to do with a white or male person denying the conditions of someone else’s life based on his or her own perspective, like Donald Trump saying that the answer to a woman’s experience of sexual harassment should be simply to find a different employer or different career. Or making inapt comparisons, such as “No, you weren’t discriminated against, because all you had to do in that situation is what I would have done,” etc. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-samantha-bee-being-too-hard-on-white-women-herself/772175/17 "2016-11-17T04:22:17Z")
I see what you’re saying… I’ll sleep on it. I grew up ashamed to be a boy. I’m awfully sensitive if I feel I’m being attacked for things that I can only hope will get better. I want to be friends… Sent from my VS986 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-samantha-bee-being-too-hard-on-white-women-herself/772175/18 "2016-11-17T11:43:16Z")
> [@MyFootsZZZ](#): > > I’m awfully sensitive if I feel I’m being attacked for things that I can only hope will get better. I want to be friends… Don’t beat yourself up. After some thought, I realize the vocabulary around identity-politics changes so fast that it can alienate people who aren’t following it. There are terms that chafe me, though it will seem natural to my kids. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-samantha-bee-being-too-hard-on-white-women-herself/772175/19 "2016-11-17T12:16:10Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > Don’t beat yourself up. After some thought, I realize the vocabulary around identity-politics changes so fast that it can alienate people who aren’t following it. There are terms that chafe me, though it will seem natural to my kids. Thanks. It stems from growing up. I had two sexist teachers, one was particularly bad. Always saying that boys are “dumb”. She even called me “stupid” directly, which my parents took issue with. They would both try and put down boys in the class. I also think my parents were secretly hoping for a girl before I was born. I know it’s part of “the patriarchy” that I wasn’t allowed to cry, but I was a sensitive kid. Also part of “the patriarchy”, I was brought up on sitcoms where, though they were the main characters, all the men were idiots. Constantly heard women call men “pigs” or “dogs”. I don’t want kids to grow up being ashamed. I want them to be proud for standing up for things that aren’t directly in their own interests. ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-samantha-bee-being-too-hard-on-white-women-herself/772175/20 "2016-11-17T13:20:46Z")
Good lord, you’re like a walking, talking Alan Alda strawman. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-samantha-bee-being-too-hard-on-white-women-herself/772175.md?page=2)