# Is Shaun King (Daily Kos writer & Black Lives Matter activist) really white? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 19, 2015, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271 "2015-08-19T16:39:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 10:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/241 "2015-08-21T10:07:30Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I have no idea. I doubt their offer is enforceable, actually. But my post was intended only to answer your specific question, “What proof do you think he could offer, beyond the multiple character witnesses linked to in his blog post, in 24 hours?” The swab doesn’t come back with results in 24 hours, I believe. I may have left out an important clause: WHat proof do you think he could offer **that they would accept**?" ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/242 "2015-08-21T12:18:29Z")
The birth certificate doesn’t list race. But if your Mom is white, and your Dad is white, you are not bi-racial. ---
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/243 "2015-08-21T12:33:57Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Neither am I. As the person making the claim, you need to provide the cite. “Read Shaun” is NOT a cite, on any forum in the known universe. I provided the cite. Read Shaun. If you read him he provides the cite. But by refusing to read actual accounts and preferring to read unreliable sources, It’s a lot easier to spew nonsense when an actual account is not studied. ---
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/244 "2015-08-21T12:37:25Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > The birth certificate doesn’t list race. But if your Mom is white, and your Dad is white, you are not bi-racial. But the man on the birth certificate is not his father. It’s a piece of paper, signifying nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/245 "2015-08-21T12:41:28Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > The swab doesn’t come back with results in 24 hours, I believe. I may have left out an important clause: WHat proof do you think he could offer **that they would accept**?" I think an examination of this Carson PAC is worth scrutiny. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/246 "2015-08-21T12:41:44Z")
That’s what he’s been told. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/247 "2015-08-21T12:42:43Z")
> [@Andiethewestie](#): > > I provided the cite. Read Shaun. If you read him he provides the cite. But by refusing to read actual accounts and preferring to read unreliable sources, It’s a lot easier to spew nonsense when an actual account is not studied. Are you suggesting that Shaun is his own cite? Really? ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/248 "2015-08-21T12:54:58Z")
We need to bring back the old way of classifying racially mixed people-Quadroon, Octeroon, Mandingo, etc., that would clarify things. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/249 "2015-08-21T12:58:12Z")
> [@Andiethewestie](#): > > I think an examination of this Carson PAC is worth scrutiny. I looked into that a bit–at first I suspected it was a bit of 4chan chicanery, a made-up PAC. But it looks like they’ve been around awhile. OTOH, looking at their website, [they don’t exactly look like a set of power players](http://blackconservativesfund.com/bcf-board-of-advisors/). [Here’s some financial information on them](http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?strID=C00560599). At the same time, [reading their press release](http://blackconservativesfund.com/news/show/black-conservative-organization-offers-blacks-lives-matter-25000), I suspect it’d be legally binding (though I’m obviously no attorney). I suspect, really, this is an attention-grab. It’s not exactly been an active website. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/250 "2015-08-21T13:15:49Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > For me it varies. His [grinning profile pic](https://twitter.com/ShaunKing) at twitter doesn’t look especially African American. The somewhat grisly [hospital shot](http://dailyentertainmentnews.com/wpgo/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Shaun_King_car_accident_2003-300x151.jpg) does. The pic from when he was 14 is somewhere in between. I don’t see a lot of phoniness and affectation involved. If you ask me, the picture of him at 14 is the “blackest” look of them all. But the pictures of him as a little kid - assuming they’re genuine - have him at his “whitest”. (It’s my impression that bi-racial kids sometimes get darker as they age, but I could be wrong.) ---
**Author:** ![Gent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a183cd/32.png) [@Gent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gent)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/251 "2015-08-21T13:33:57Z")
Don’t waste your time trying to reason with those who are siding with King. They are bulletproof to logic. The fact that he’s been caught in a multitude of lies discredit. their agenda. King has been caught. A fitting subplot to a phony movement. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/252 "2015-08-21T13:38:51Z")
> [@Gent](#): > > Don’t waste your time trying to reason with those who are siding with King. They are bulletproof to logic. The fact that he’s been caught in a multitude of lies discredit. their agenda. I don’t know. Frankly what I’ve seen of King suggests that his veracity is shaky (and he is possibly involved in financial chicanery as well) and his wive seemed to allude to this in her post on the subject. But that doesn’t mean that he’s lying about this issue. Interesting thing is that according to his version of events a lot of people would have to know his version of events. A couple of people (assuming they’re real people) have backed up this version, but there should be a lot of other people with similar knowledge. OTOH, I’m not sure this is a big enough story for the media to track those people down. ---
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/253 "2015-08-21T13:43:38Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Who is this woman? And why are you being so coy about it? Coy? I’m not interested in giving some bitch blogger any credence. The conservative rags got their misinformation from her. She is a stalker and a creepy excuse for a human being. Seems to me you should ask Brietbart where they got their information, it certainly wasn’t journalism. ---
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/254 "2015-08-21T13:45:57Z")
> [@Gent](#): > > Don’t waste your time trying to reason with those who are siding with King. They are bulletproof to logic. The fact that he’s been caught in a multitude of lies discredit. their agenda. > > King has been caught. A fitting subplot to a phony movement. Sorry you have it wrong. The multitude of lies comes from the right wing with an agenda to stop him. He’s debunked everything ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/255 "2015-08-21T13:46:13Z")
> [@Andiethewestie](#): > > Coy? I’m not interested in giving some bitch blogger any credence. One more time. Why are you giving Shaun any credence? And his family members none? ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/256 "2015-08-21T13:48:24Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > I am? You seem to be dubious that he was beaten up for being a white guy dating a black girl. You aren’t? > [@](#): > > Why do you think he was savagely beaten and what race were those that did it do you think? I hear that he was beaten for being a white guy dating a black girl. You seem to disagree. Now a question for you - is it the race of the beaters that determines whether it is a hate crime or the motivation? ---
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/257 "2015-08-21T13:54:10Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > One more time. Why are you giving Shaun any credence? And his family members none? D’Anconia, until you NAME the family member who allegedly said something I’ll give Shaun all the credence because he not only speaks and lives it, he has eye witnesses. The conservative right has… nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/258 "2015-08-21T14:05:41Z")
> [@Andiethewestie](#): > > D’Anconia, until you NAME the family member who allegedly said something I’ll give Shaun all the credence because he not only speaks and lives it, he has eye witnesses. The conservative right has… nothing. Here is an [eyewitness](http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Screen-Shot-2015-08-17-at-3.16.32-AM1.jpg) and another [eyewitness](http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Screen-Shot-2015-08-17-at-3.18.52-AM.jpg). And these are not 20-year-after-the-event eyewitnesses either. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/259 "2015-08-21T14:06:16Z")
> [@Andiethewestie](#): > > D’Anconia, until you NAME the family member who allegedly said something I’ll give Shaun all the credence because he not only speaks and lives it, he has eye witnesses. The conservative right has… nothing. Can you NAME the eye witnesses? Eye witnesses to what, btw? ---
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/260 "2015-08-21T14:08:21Z")
Breibart smells to high heaven, it’s the same bullshit that happened to Sherry Sherrod by the same so called “news” organization. It’s clear what Breibart is all about. It’s shameful that CNN decided to run with it. Apparently other news organizations decided to remain credible and have learned not to trust Breibart since the Sherrod fiasco. > **[Firing of Shirley Sherrod](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firing_of_Shirley_Sherrod)** > > On July 19, 2010, Shirley Sherrod was fired from her appointed position as Georgia State Director of Rural Development for the United States Department of Agriculture. Her firing was an administration reaction to media reports on video excerpts from her address to an event of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People in March 2010 and commentary posted by conservative blogger Andrew Breitbart on his website. Based on these excerpts, the NAACP condemned Sherrod's rem Extensiv... [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271.md?page=14)