# Is Shaun King (Daily Kos writer & Black Lives Matter activist) really white? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 19, 2015, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271 "2015-08-19T16:39:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2015, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/401 "2015-08-22T16:11:43Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > And who are these nervous racists you are referring to? Have a look in the mirror. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2015, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/402 "2015-08-22T16:15:24Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > His mother likely told him about Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy, too. What she told him is neither evidence nor proof. Not proof, but evidence. A hypothetical victim saying “Carl punched me” is evidence that Carl punched him, but not proof that Carl punched him. Shaun saying his mother told him that his father was black is evidence that his mother told him that his father was black, if not proof. If Shaun said that his mother told him Santa Claus was real, that would be evidence that Shaun’s mother told him Santa Claus was real. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2015, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/403 "2015-08-22T16:25:01Z")
> [@Omega\_Glory](#): > > Some (all?) states even issue new birth certificates for children when they’re adopted to reflect their new legal parents. There have also been recent cases in the news about same sex couples being given the right to both be listed on their child’s birth certificate. You can even get a new birth certificate after undergoing a sex change, to reflect your new gender. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2015, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/404 "2015-08-22T16:26:59Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > His mother likely told him about Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy, too. What she told him is neither evidence nor proof. It’s more compelling than the birth certificate you keep waving around. There’s very little reason to believe some woman in Kentucky is going to lie to her son and claim she had an affair with a man other than his father when she didn’t but we’ve lots of reasons to not take the birth certificate at face value. It’s also worth noting that keeps failing about “the police report” and ignoring the statements by the guy who wrote up the report. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2015, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/405 "2015-08-22T16:27:20Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > A birth certificate goes by the honor system. If the mother declares someone as the father and he agrees, that’s who appears on the birth certificate. The state does not perform birth certificate audits to catch people in tragic lies. She either lied on the birth certificate, or she lied in what she later told Shaun. Either way, she is not the most trustworthy of individuals. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2015, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/406 "2015-08-22T16:30:15Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > No, I am not doing your homework for you. Then I’ll assume that your assertion is baseless and without merit. If you cannot back up your assertions, they are meaningless and will be ignored. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2015, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/407 "2015-08-22T16:30:57Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Not proof, but evidence. A hypothetical victim saying “Carl punched me” is evidence that Carl punched him, but not proof that Carl punched him. Shaun saying his mother told him that his father was black is evidence that his mother told him that his father was black, if not proof. > > If Shaun said that his mother told him Santa Claus was real, that would be evidence that Shaun’s mother told him Santa Claus was real. You are correct. Evidence of what his mother told him. But it’s not evidence that he’s biracial. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2015, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/408 "2015-08-22T16:31:22Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Yes – this is a remnant of white supremacism that still functions to some degree. This whole discussion is partially a remnant of white supremacism, I think. Maybe. I’m just disputing your hypothesis that the one drop rule is what makes people think you can’t look white but have close relatives who are black. As I said, it’s much more likely to be the opposite. > [@Omega\_Glory](#): > > Yes. Nothing about “close relatives who are black” in that quote, so no. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2015, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/409 "2015-08-22T16:31:24Z")
> [@andros](#): > > The birth certificate, at least, is in the Breitbart link, a little way down. No idea if it’s genuine, but no reason it wouldn’t be. As much as I hate to give them any traffic, [here’s the image](http://media.breitbart.com/media/2015/08/jeffery-shaun-king.png). > . Thank you, but that shows Shaun King’s purported BC, but that does not support **D’Anconia** assertion that Vicki Page has a birth certificate, etc. ETA: I see that the reference was to Mr. King’s paperwork, not “Vicki Page”. Apologies for the misunderstanding. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2015, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/410 "2015-08-22T16:32:49Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Then I’ll assume that your assertion is baseless and without merit. If you cannot back up your assertions, they are meaningless and will be ignored. I suggest you read the entire thread. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2015, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/411 "2015-08-22T16:34:19Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Thank you, but that shows Shaun King’s purported BC, but that does not support **D’Anconia** assertion that Vicki Page has a birth certificate, etc. I didn’t say she had the physical birth certificate. She posted the evidence, including a digital copy of the birth certificate. What is your point? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2015, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/412 "2015-08-22T16:34:19Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > I suggest you read the entire thread. I have read the entire thread, as I stated above, and clicked on every link you offered. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2015, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/413 "2015-08-22T16:35:59Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > I didn’t say she had the physical birth certificate. She posted the evidence, including a digital copy of the birth certificate. What is your point? As I said, I misunderstood a previous post. My point, tho, is that I don’t believe that “Vicki Page” exists. I thought you were asserting that she can prove that she is a real person, thus I was eager to see proof of her existence. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2015, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/414 "2015-08-22T16:38:21Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I have read the entire thread, as I stated above, and clicked on every link you offered. Including the link in post #1? ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2015, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/415 "2015-08-22T16:41:14Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > She either lied on the birth certificate, or she lied in what she later told Shaun. **No.** There is no way to lie on a birth certificate. The parent listed as the father is the legal parent, and has **nothing to do with who provided the sperm**. Whether or not her husband knew at the time that he was not the biological father is entirely irrelevant. Your attempts to paint the woman as a liar are, frankly, bizarre. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2015, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/416 "2015-08-22T16:44:30Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Including the link in post #1? What part of “I misunderstood your post” are you misunderstanding? ---
**Author:** ![Omega\_Glory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7c8e57/32.png) [@Omega\_Glory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omega_Glory)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2015, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/417 "2015-08-22T16:44:37Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Maybe. I’m just disputing your hypothesis that the one drop rule is what makes people think you can’t look white but have close relatives who are black. As I said, it’s much more likely to be the opposite. > > Nothing about “close relatives who are black” in that quote, so no. **Omar Little** starts a thread asking if Shaun King is actually white, instead of biracial, then he posts pictures of him as a child and points out that he looked white (which isn’t a surprise, since he’s a fair-skinned adult), and you’re saying he’s not using those pictures as evidence that he’s white? ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2015, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/418 "2015-08-22T16:46:13Z")
> [@Andiethewestie](#): > > Have a look in the mirror. Yeah, that one earns you a warning. Do not insult other posters. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2015, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/419 "2015-08-22T16:47:15Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > My point, tho, is that I don’t believe that “Vicki Page” exists. That’s an odd belief. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2015, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/420 "2015-08-22T16:48:42Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > What part of “I misunderstood your post” are you misunderstanding? Ok, then. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271.md?page=22)