# Is Shaun King (Daily Kos writer & Black Lives Matter activist) really white? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 19, 2015, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271 "2015-08-19T16:39:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![Jamicat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c67d28/32.png) [@Jamicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jamicat)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2015, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/461 "2015-08-22T23:10:20Z")
Maybe he’s just…jewish. :o ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2015, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/462 "2015-08-22T23:16:56Z")
> [@Gent](#): > > Sources: CNN, mediate, Don Lemon, New York Times No I’ve yet to see any evidence for your assertions that the people who beat up King were blacks. Please link to the Mediate video proving they were since you’re asserting that Mediate proves this. If you can’t we’ll have to assume you made a stupid claim you can’t back up. This is the fifth time Ive asked and it shouldn’t take you so long to answer it. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2015, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/463 "2015-08-22T23:19:51Z")
> [@PatriotX](#): > > Did we change out mind and decide that there such a thing as a DNA test for blackness? I always just assumed there wasn’t, because I’ve never seen a police procedural show say “DNA tests are back; our perp is a Hispanic male” or anything like that. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2015, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/464 "2015-08-22T23:21:14Z")
I’d like a cite for the silly claim that Shaun King’s “refusal to take a DNA test”. If Gent can’t provide one, we’ll have to assume agent has made a stupid claim he can’t back up. ---
**Author:** ![camille](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/22d042/32.png) [@camille](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/camille)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2015, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/465 "2015-08-22T23:23:20Z")
I think the people who keep insisting there is evidence he is lying - ignoring all evidence to the contrary - should submit to a proctology exam to prove they are not full of shit. If they refuse, it will only prove their deceitful ways. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2015, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/466 "2015-08-22T23:30:28Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > I’d like a cite for the silly claim that Shaun King’s “refusal to take a DNA test”. > > If Gent can’t provide one, we’ll have to assume agent has made a stupid claim he can’t back up. Not only that, but an explanation of what a DNA test is supposed to prove, given that there is no genetic test for being black. Race is a social construct, not a biological classification. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2015, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/467 "2015-08-22T23:52:06Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > Samuel L. Jackson. > > That motherfucker is _black._ Ok, I’ll certainly accept that.😃 So, if you’re not SLJ, then you’re not black?😛 ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2015, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/468 "2015-08-22T23:55:01Z")
> [@Gent](#): > > T > Mr. King’s refusal to take a DNA test only proves to further his deceitful ways. A DNA test is pretty much useless in the case of someone with mixed ancestry. It can show sub-saharan ancestry, but there’s no one DNA marker which if you have it you’re black and if you dont you’re not. So a negative will only show he’s of mixed ancestry. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2015, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/469 "2015-08-23T00:03:58Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > I always just assumed there wasn’t, because I’ve never seen a police procedural show say “DNA tests are back; our perp is a Hispanic male” or anything like that. Sorta. They can show a positive, but not prove a negative. If you were say Zulu going back ten generations, that would show up, for example. Since Shaun sez he’s mixed, a negative would not prove anything. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2015, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/470 "2015-08-23T00:09:48Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > No- they “self-identified” as white, and i havent seen this birth certificate, have you? > > Again, **What’s your definition of “black”?** > > You seem to think that a child of two parents who “self-identified” as white can’t be “black”. What if they both had one black parent, but wanted to be called “white”? > > Again, **What’s your definition of “black”?** **D’Anconia** : \*\*What is your definition of Black? \*\*Your failure to answer seems to indicate you have no answer, or that your answer would lead to ridicule as being racist. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2015, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/471 "2015-08-23T01:08:24Z")
I’m not completely convinced at this point that the right-wing hair-on-fire about this isn’t about him being a “race traitor” if the allegations are true. The depths to which right-wing “media” will sink to discredit an eloquent voice for the things they despise isn’t to be underestimated. Oh, and Don Lemon is an awful hack, so citing him for pretty much ANYTHING is less than useless. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2015, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/472 "2015-08-23T01:36:33Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > I’m not completely convinced at this point that the right-wing hair-on-fire about this isn’t about him being a “race traitor” if the allegations are true. The depths to which right-wing “media” will sink to discredit an eloquent voice for the things they despise isn’t to be underestimated. > > Oh, and Don Lemon is an awful hack, so citing him for pretty much ANYTHING is less than useless. It’s also worth noting in his last report on the subject Lemon seems to believe King. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2015, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/473 "2015-08-23T01:53:24Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > **D’Anconia** : > > \*\*What is your definition of Black? \*\*Your failure to answer seems to indicate you have no answer, or that your answer would lead to ridicule as being racist. Or that I am not paying attention to your silly posts. I doubt I’m the first. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2015, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/474 "2015-08-23T01:56:07Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > It’s also worth noting in his last report on the subject Lemon seems to believe King. What difference does it make? According to jayjay, Lemon is a useless hack. ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2015, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/475 "2015-08-23T02:03:34Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > I’m not completely convinced at this point that the right-wing hair-on-fire about this isn’t about him being a “race traitor” if the allegations are true. I think it’s an attempt to bolster the idea that racism doesn’t exist by making it seem like black people don’t exist, and they are all just white-guilt ridden liberals in disguise. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2015, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/476 "2015-08-23T02:07:07Z")
It’s simply a step in claiming that there is no institutional racism anymore, that anyone who claims otherwise is lying, and if “those people” still complain, well, it’s just because they’re worse human beings. It’s been expressed in this very thread. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2015, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/477 "2015-08-23T02:28:07Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > It’s been expressed in this very thread. Where? Which post numbers? ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2015, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/478 "2015-08-23T05:19:45Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > What difference does it make? According to jayjay, Lemon is a useless hack. So then if Lemon “is a useless hack” why do you use him as a source? That makes little sense. Do you not care about the credibility of your sources so long as they either say what you want to hear? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2015, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/479 "2015-08-23T05:22:07Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > So then if Lemon “is a useless hack” why do you use him as a source? I didn’t know that Lemon was a useless hack, until jayjay ever so helpfully told us he was. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2015, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/480 "2015-08-23T05:22:21Z")
> [@Gent](#): > > The problem is you’re not interested in an adult back-and-forth. Your objective is to deny, deny, deny. Based on your behavior in this thread, an adult back-and-forth is the last thing that you are seeking. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271.md?page=23) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271.md?page=25)