# Is Shaun King (Daily Kos writer & Black Lives Matter activist) really white? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 19, 2015, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271 "2015-08-19T16:39:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/601 "2015-08-27T00:51:00Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > I reviewed **Gent’s** posts in this thread, and he expressed none of those things. And since you are unable to provide a post #, you are simply wrong. All I can say is that that’s how I interpreted some of what he was saying in this thread. I would’ve gone into more detail, but seeing as how he’s now banned, presumably for telling a mod to “go suck a dick,” I’m not sure that’s the best use of time anymore. ---
**Author:** ![theR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/977dab/32.png) [@theR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/theR)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2015, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/602 "2015-09-13T16:00:21Z")
There is an update on this story. [http://www.canberratimes.com.au/national/joshua-goldberg-the-fake-aussie-jihadist-had-a-hand-in-every-online-fight-20150913-gjlc30.html](http://www.canberratimes.com.au/national/joshua-goldberg-the-fake-aussie-jihadist-had-a-hand-in-every-online-fight-20150913-gjlc30.html) > [@](#): > > Joshua Goldberg, 20, who had been calling for terror attacks in western countries under the guise of jihadist “Australi Witness”, was also at the centre of the woman-hating campaigns known as “Gamergate” and a behind a blog called “Philosophy of Rape” on which he wrote that “whores and feminazis need to be put in their place through rape”. > > … > > Since the story broke of his arrest, accusations have mounted against Goldberg, as internet users, particularly those on Reddit, trace his online footprint. > > They have discovered that Goldberg was a source of information for a series of articles that accused Shaun King, an activist with the Black Lives Matter movement, of lying about his race. [Here](https://archive.is/J5pMX) is the archive of Goldberg initiating contact, but there is also a link to his blog with more if you really want to find it. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2015, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/603 "2015-09-13T16:04:48Z")
> [@theR](#): > > There is an update on this story. > > [http://www.canberratimes.com.au/national/joshua-goldberg-the-fake-aussie-jihadist-had-a-hand-in-every-online-fight-20150913-gjlc30.html](http://www.canberratimes.com.au/national/joshua-goldberg-the-fake-aussie-jihadist-had-a-hand-in-every-online-fight-20150913-gjlc30.html) > > [Here](https://archive.is/J5pMX) is the archive of Goldberg initiating contact, but there is also a link to his blog with more if you really want to find it. Joshua Goldberg is a helluva name for a Jihadi. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2015, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/604 "2015-09-13T19:01:26Z")
This Florida resident and Australian jihadi /white supremacist / anti-Semite / Gamergate misogynist / BLM investigator and smear artist / Social Justice warrior is self evidently a troll. Neighbors report that he rarely or never left his apartment. I’m guessing that he is a sadist who takes pleasure in other’s suffering. I’m wondering whether he is missing a few neural modules. He is facing FBI charges now, so we might get a psychological profile out of this mess. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2015, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/605 "2015-09-13T19:07:56Z")
Ddamn, gotta admit that was some world-class trolling he did… how many times does a baby have to be kicked in the head by a mule to turn out like that? ---
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2015, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/606 "2015-09-13T19:37:53Z")
The sad thing is the numbers of people who believed this guy, and a thread devoted to tearing an activist apart. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2015, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/607 "2015-09-13T19:41:09Z")
> [@Andiethewestie](#): > > The sad thing is the numbers of people who believed this guy, and a thread devoted to tearing an activist apart. And that’s just HERE! This has been playing out over multiple blogs and message boards, with similar results. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2015, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/608 "2015-09-13T19:57:58Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > This Florida resident and Australian jihadi /white supremacist / anti-Semite / Gamergate misogynist / BLM investigator and smear artist / Social Justice warrior is self evidently a troll. Neighbors report that he rarely or never left his apartment. > I’m guessing that he is a sadist who takes pleasure in other’s suffering. I’m wondering whether he is missing a few neural modules. He is facing FBI charges now, so we might get a psychological profile out of this mess. Is it wrong that I really hope he gets thrown in with members of The Nation of Islam? ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2015, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/609 "2015-09-13T20:07:29Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > No, I get it. You guys are reading stuff into my posts that simply isn’t there. Virtually every reply for **Ascenray** and **Rat** has attributed a position to me that I have not made. > > I never said genetics defines race. Never once. I simply stated the PROVEN FACT that in the US you can correlate a person’s race (as defined socially) with his genetic profile to some degree of accuracy. Period. Nothing more, nothing less. It’s not a 100% correlation, and there are known problems associated with it. > > I’m sorry if you don’t like that or if it somehow upsets your political opinions, but it’s a fact. And I don’t bend facts to fit politics. I originally won’t “we” in that last sentence, but apparently that isn’t true. Some of us do. > > I’m done. This is actually a stupid hijack from the original topic of the thread anyway. What I see is more scientific illiteracy, and not realizing that your claim does not in any way contradict theirs. It’s like they don’t know what it means when we say that race is not a biological concept. They genuinely do not seem to see the difference in what you are saying and saying that race is biologically defined. They don’t get that what you are saying is in fact the exact opposite! It’s laudable that you treated everyone as if they were on the same playing field on this subject, but, in this case, I think it only made things worse. As for **even sven** , she fell into a trap I almost did. The simple fact that we as human beings tend to view things that are repeated often enough as true by default. They kept claiming you said those things, so we started to think you might have. Especially since they were very slight variations. Fortunately, I had been reading the whole thread, and realized I would have noticed had you said those things. Instead, I found your posts to be illuminating, saying things I knew but hadn’t become clear in my mind. Anyways, I’m glad for the update. It bumped the thread, so now I got to read that awesome article by the man himself. That was enough. Remember, Dolenzal had a high hurdle before being declared fake. Heck, a lot of us said that, had she not accused her parents of abuse, we probably would have been fine calling her black. ---
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/610 "2015-09-14T00:59:27Z")
No High Hurdles for Shaun King, that man didn’t have to prove a thing. And yet we got to learn a lot about his life as a biracial man living in a very white America. The only thing this exercise in racism proves, it’s that Shaun King’s work is not in vein. ---
**Author:** ![Construct](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/50afbb/32.png) [@Construct](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Construct)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/611 "2015-09-14T01:18:57Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > What I see is more scientific illiteracy, and not realizing that your claim does not in any way contradict theirs. It’s like they don’t know what it means when we say that race is not a biological concept. > > They genuinely do not seem to see the difference in what you are saying and saying that race is biologically defined. They don’t get that what you are saying is in fact the exact opposite! I mean, apart from the fact that genetic analysis of humans [“substantially supports the traditional racial groups classification”](http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/PPPL1.pdf), [race can be determined accurately for more than 99.8% of individuals](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15625622), and [that there exists a consensus that common sense racial categorizations reveal some usable information](http://www.ln.edu.hk/philoso/staff/sesardic/Race2.pdf), you’re absolutely correct. It’s important not to let the way of pesky facts get in the way of a comforting ideology. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/612 "2015-09-14T01:54:13Z")
[ > [@Shaun King](#): > > Critics and haters don’t realize that the harder they slam me down, the higher I bounce back. ]([x.com](https://twitter.com/ShaunKing?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor)) In the long run, the truth wins out. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/613 "2015-09-14T04:57:35Z")
> [@Construct](#): > > I mean, apart from the fact that genetic analysis of humans [“substantially supports the traditional racial groups classification”](http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/PPPL1.pdf)… To say that Arthur Jensen represents the scientific consensus is misleading, laughable in fact. You can get a general sense of this literature by reviewing figure 1: the _measured_ average gap between black and white test scores is dwarfed by the overall dispersion among individuals. If appearance had variance _anything_ like that chart race wouldn’t be an issue as ancestry wouldn’t remotely be guessable via appearance. Your argument is sadface. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/614 "2015-09-14T05:09:59Z")
> [@Construct](#): > > I mean, apart from the fact that genetic analysis of humans [“substantially supports the traditional racial groups classification”](http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/PPPL1.pdf) I nearly laughed myself sick over this. You’re using as your source a guy who was disciplined for going around a mall waving around questionnaires asking people to tell him how large their penises were when erect, how far they could ejaculate and similar questioned. You think this nut with all his bizarre beliefs about the correlation between brain size and penis size is representative of the scientific consensus? ---
**Author:** ![Construct](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/50afbb/32.png) [@Construct](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Construct)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/615 "2015-09-14T11:47:05Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > To say that Arthur Jensen represents the scientific consensus is misleading, laughable in fact. > > You can get a general sense of this literature by reviewing figure 1: the _measured_ average gap between black and white test scores is dwarfed by the overall dispersion among individuals. If appearance had variance _anything_ like that chart race wouldn’t be an issue as ancestry wouldn’t remotely be guessable via appearance. > > Your argument is sadface. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human\_Genetic\_Diversity:\_Lewontin’s\_Fallacy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Genetic_Diversity:_Lewontin's_Fallacy) ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/616 "2015-09-14T12:22:47Z")
> [@Construct](#): > > [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human\_Genetic\_Diversity:\_Lewontin’s\_Fallacy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Genetic_Diversity:_Lewontin's_Fallacy) So sorry to the white supremacists that white supremacism is overwhelmingly rejected by the scientific community. So sorry to the white supremacists that white supremacism is overwhelmingly rejected by white Americans. Most white Americans have non-white people among those they count as friends and family, and thus most white Americans are going to reject such bigotry. I’m sure it sucks to be a white supremacist (for these and many other reasons). You have my sympathy\*. \*Note: you don’t have my sympathy. ---
**Author:** ![Construct](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/50afbb/32.png) [@Construct](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Construct)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/617 "2015-09-14T12:32:04Z")
Most White nationalists don’t consider white people superior, only different, and have non-white friends too. And your factual critique doesn’t even relate to the argument at hand – that Lewontin’s race denying claims are fallacious. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/618 "2015-09-14T12:40:48Z")
> [@Construct](#): > > Most White nationalists don’t consider white people superior, only different, and have non-white friends too. And your factual critique doesn’t even relate to the argument at hand – that Lewontin’s race denying claims are fallacious. You’ve indicated pretty clearly in various posts that you consider white people superior. As to your claims about race, they are denied in your own links (the criticism in your wikipedia link) and others posted in response. Most white people in America are more closely genetically related to certain black Americans than various other far-flung “white” people in Europe and elsewhere. There are “black” populations in Africa that are far more closely related to Europeans and Asians than to various other far-flung “black” populations in other parts of Africa. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/619 "2015-09-14T13:01:31Z")
> [@Construct](#): > > Most White nationalists don’t consider white people superior, only different, and have non-white friends too. And your factual critique doesn’t even relate to the argument at hand – that Lewontin’s race denying claims are fallacious. Are you a “White Nationalist” or do you just admire many of them? ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271/620 "2015-09-14T13:02:09Z")
> [@Construct](#): > > Most White nationalists don’t consider white people superior, only different, and have non-white friends too. And your factual critique doesn’t even relate to the argument at hand – that Lewontin’s race denying claims are fallacious. Find some “white nationalists” who are not white supremacists. Let’s hear from them. At least we know that the USA is _not_ a white nation. It never has been. The original inhabitants were not white; despite all efforts to kill them off, quite a few remain. Some of the original white settlers brought black slaves–and they kept having them shipped in. And not all the immigrants have been white, despite discriminatory immigration policies. So, where\* do\* you white nationalists live? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271.md?page=30) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-shaun-king-daily-kos-writer-black-lives-matter-activist-really-white/728271.md?page=32)