Well, heck, the EU as a whole is a lot less “homogenous” than the U.S., so how can they manage better? Is the U.S. exceptional in the sense of being like the “exceptional” kids in remedial classes?
So long as you correct using per-capita figures, there’s no reason you can’t compare Norway and the US. The EU and US are not an “apples to apples” comparison since 99% of the US population is in places that have been US states for 150+ years. The Eu has only existed as a meaningful political union for 25 years and 11.5 of its 28 member states were communist dictatorships (or part of one) until 1990 or so.
I mean population, not population density. Sorry about that.
As for my own comment about homogeneous populations, I think it allows people to be more on the same page when they are from alike cultural backgrounds. The US is very contentious since we have people from everywhere. Our ‘White’ groups is from literally every ‘white’ country in Europe, our ‘Black’ groups are from basically all over Africa, our ‘Asian’ groups are from all over Asia, and our ‘Hispanic’ groups are a hodgepodge of different cultures and peoples. So, getting them all on the same page for, say, universal health care, is kind of like herding cats…really bad tempered cats. I’m honestly unsure of why pointing out that we are a very heterogeneous population has anything at all to do with ’ how socialism or social welfare works for “homogeneous” countries, what they really mean is that America can’t do it because we have too many Blacks and Mexicans’, since this seemingly has zero to do with either what I was saying here or have said before. Hell, why would ‘Blacks and Mexicans’ be opposed to socialism because of their skin color or whatever??
Why wouldn’t the problem be ‘White’ people, since they come from such diverse backgrounds and also because they make up such a large number of voters??
Um…well, Norway has been settled by the same folks for 1000’s of years, no? So, if it’s not apples to apples to compare the EU and the US, how is it apples to apples to compare Norway to the US based on your logic here?? There are certainly political differences as well as structural differences between the EU and the US, the most basic is that the EU isn’t a federation or political union, just an economic one, but I think it’s still more meaningful to compare the US, a conglomeration of states, than to compare one small country of 5 million to a country that spans a continent and has over 300 million people. I concede that MMV of course, especially when one wants to cherry pick a winning argument. ![]()
The point is that Norway has had a unitary economic system not dissimilar from the one it has now for 100 years, like the US. The EU has not.
These arguments apply with equal force to any taxation or public spending, and yet we seem to do alright. By this logic, a publicly funded military establishment shouldn’t work here because whites or whoever will oppose subsidizing national defense for “those people.”
I think the point is that you can spin and cherry pick anything to your advantage if you are so inclined.
Interestingly, the US actually has had real issues with a large, ‘publicly funded military establishment’ throughout our history, and it’s still a contentious issue that the public and our politicians wrangle over to this day. There are many factions in US politics, several on this board, who have contentious views of this issue in fact, and rabidly defend them for or against, with many in the middle who want more moderate changes or the status quo. So, yeah…good point.
The only real reason we finally broke out of the mold and started large scale funding of a permanent military was really one European war to many we were dragged into unprepared for (well, and that dust up in Korea was probably the final straw).
Actually I don’t believe it, it’s just a point of view, opinion or whatever. I’m not really capable of “belief” in a traditional sense. There are probably some unconscious beliefs, but none that I am conscious of, and as soon as they become conscious, I stop believing in them. Beliefs are essentially just a bother, from my perspective, and it is better to just get rid of them.
I agree with you on the comparison bit though, that makes sense.
“You’re fooling yourself! We’re living in a dictatorship, a self-perpetuating autocracy where the working classes . . .”
“Oh, there you go, bringing class into it again!”
Sure. But none of the debate over military funding has anything to do with race.
This is something I see advanced on the internet now and then. Another meme. What I am really curious about is -how does this work exactly?
What are the factors tied to population size that makes it impossible to compare?
I mean, there are the economies of scale. After all, Walmart kills smaller stores, not the other way around. But normally, when I see the “Its not comparable” argument advanced it is the large nation that feels it cannot be compared to other nations.
In fact, its only one nation that feels itself exempt from comparison.
I mean, I see Iceland comparing itself to Finland, 300 000 to 5 million. Denmark comparing itself to Germany, 5 million to 80 million. New Zealand to Japan probably, 4 million to 125 million.
What exactly is this factor than makes the US impossible to compare to other nations, while those nations mad are busy comparing and stealing ideas from each other irregardless of size?
The idea is white people (or any people, more charitably) don’t want to share their resources with the other.
It’s also an observation that you could make a Euro-style welfare state out of lily white parts of New England and the Pacific Northwest. Then contrast that with white attitudes in the South, where there’s a lot of black people and anti-welfare attitudes are highest.
The analysis breaks down though since a lot (most?) white libs live in big cities with lots of races.
And that is why the Swedish left is doomed. Ere a generation passes, I suspect your “postmodern paradise” will be a hedonistic Brazilianized social atomist neoliberal pseudo-democracy along with the rest of the West or a Peronist-style state under the Swedish Democrats with draconian anti-immigration laws unless there is a social and national consciousness revolution on the part of the left.
You seem to have a very firm grasp on reality*, as well as some well-researched and cogent insights into the welfare and politics of Sweden.
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