Is solitary confinement torture?

Solitary confinement has several meanings.

I spent about three yeas total locked up. In various type of jails and prisons. Almost all in Texas some in alaska Florida and Colorado.

Usually it means being locked in a cell by yourself with a bed and blanket and likely books and writing materials and the like. Often adjacent to other solitary cells so communication is possable with yelling and creative messaging to your prison mates and mail can go in and out.

The other type is more of a punishment to prisoners. They are taken from general population and put in a “hole” Alcatraz is glamorized but some of the shit i have seen and heard about in Texas is likely worse. Basically it is a dark cold cell no bunk mayby no pad no blanket or a very small one. No toilet. That’s it. Food is not the same usually much smaller amounts and water and bread mostly. Far enough away from other inmates that anyform of communication is nonexistant. I saw so much true torture in my time in Texas. But I also saw some of the coolest nicest jails anywhere. With carpeting and games soft bed and the like.

True…I guess I was thinking more like other prisoners in their cells being available but not wanting to say anything to you. But then you’d still hear them. And I doubt other prisoners are all that choosy…

The NatGeo special I mentioned above showed one of the so-called “exercise” rooms. It was a small room with a chin up bar.

The former would drive me crazy, the latter I could endure even given minimal stimulation otherwise.

An excellent point.

Personally, I’d rather be in solitary confinement than in a cell with a fellow prisoner who was likely to abuse me physically, psychologically, or sexually.
It’s pretty obvious to me that solitary confinement, or even sensory deprivation, is not torture if it only lasts a few minutes. What about if it lasts a few hours? A few days? At what point does it become torture?

Respectfully, what you dealt with isn’t even remotely in the same category as solitary confinement in a prison. You were free to exit your home any time you’d like, electricity or no. You may not have had anyone to talk to, but you were not held in isolation.

And I won’t pretend that my experience mimics it, either, but it’s a heck of a lot closer in theory than yours. I spent 5 hours locked in a small holding room with nothing but a table and a chair, and floor, wall and ceiling tiles to count. With no clock or means of grasping how much time had elapsed, it may as well have been 3 days. It was brutal, and at least I knew that eventually I would be released when the matter could be cleared up. Even with a book to read or material to write with, when you can’t escape and you don’t have the means to follow time, I can totally see how it will drive a person to madness.

No, it could potentially make it worse. Some inmates who are put in solitary are put there simply because they’re a physical threat to others. In other cases, inmates are put in solitary because their very communcation with others puts people in danger. For instance, on several of those jail documentaries like Lockdown or whatever, they’ve made mention of how some gang leaders are still able to get information and give orders, even in those conditions.

I’m also not really getting how torture is being used in the OP. If I took a random person off the street and locked him up in jail for 10 years, that could be seen as torture in that sense too, no? I tend to think of torture as a means of interogation and using it with reference to any form of criminal punishment seems to really be a reference to the idea of cruel and unusual punishment.

If we’re in the realm of cruel and unusual punishment, while it may be something that irrevocably damages someone, I don’t think it’s necessarily uncalled for in every case. Imagine an individual who commits a heinous crime by any standard (eg, multiple rape-murder) where pretty much anyone would agree that person should be locked up and never let out. Now imagine that individual continues to be violent and extremely uncooperative in every possible way such that he is a danger not just to other inmates but to the guards and himself. If he’s already demonstrated that he’s a danger to other individuals and he has no hope of ever getting out, why is there concern for making him more dangerous if he’s ever put back in general population, muchless let free altogether?

Punishment is inherently removal of some sort of right or privilege. One can argue that social interaction is a basic necessity on par with food, water, and sleep, and I agree with that notion, but even the most extreme forms of solitary confinement don’t completely remove all interactions. For example, I recall one situation where an individual was in solitary confinement out of visual or audial range of other inmates and was locked up in his cell by himself 23 1/2 hours a day. That half-hour he wasn’t was when he was escorted to a larger room where he could walk or run around for some exercise. But even in this case, other than the guard interaction, he still got monthly visits from his mom, and could send and receive mail, and was allowed to be interviewed on camera.

Sure, it’s not the type of social interaction that most inmates get, but like the same with food, they’re probably not getting the same quality food they’d be getting outside of prison either. That might be still be a little too much isolation, but part of that was also that, after having been in jail for some number of years, the only person who still wanted to drive several hours to visit him was his mother.

I do think there’s a point beyond which isolation is necessarily cruel and unusual, and it’s possible that it is crossed in some cases, but I don’t think the idea of denying social contact is necessarily any more cruel than denying freedom or other rights and privileges that are denied in prison and it is an unfortunate consequence of a sometimes necessary separation of an individual from those he may hurt.

I think any individuals in such a situation, whether for punishment, safety, or both, should at least have some kind of regular mental health evaluation so adjustments can be made as necessary.

I admit that it’s a tricky issue when we’re talking about mafia bosses and terrorist leaders, but they’re only a tiny minority of the population in solitary. The vast majority of prisoners held in solitary are not that dangerous. Even in those cases, we could still allow social interaction under strict monitoring. The ones who aren’t gang leaders don’t need to be held incommunicado for extended periods.

I urge you to read the New Yorker article I posted earlier. Over in Europe, they’ve come up with alternative techniques to deal with troublesome prisoners that have a much greater success rate compared to what we’re doing in the U.S.

Some articles I’ve posted in a previous thread on this topic a couple of years ago.

Locked Down: Gangs in the Supermax – Go Forth and Sin No More

Locked Down: Gangs in the Supermax – Pinta Bound

It’s a difficult issue. I don’t think I’d define solitary confinement as torture (and it really isn’t all that solitary) but it definitely doesn’t do most people any positive good. However, those of us in the prison business can’t consider the needs of every individual as our top priority. We have to consider the collective needs of all the prisoners. And that means that we often have to confine a prisoner away from other prisoners for their sake even though it might be somewhat detrimental to that individual.

Even if they weren’t apt to abuse me, I think I would still prefer solitary. Being forced to share a cell with someone you were just F’n sick & tired of, that would be torture for me.

I think there is a lot of variability in what solitary confinement actually means from prison to prison. I would agree that 24/7 lock down with no human interaction is damaging to long term mental health. I’d also agree that throwing people into a lightless hole is detrimental to long term mental health.

How often does solitary confinement mean either of those things? I have no idea but it definitely varies from prison to prison. Some prisons have solitary confinement but the inmates in solitary actually work out together (so it’s really just segregation and not strictly solitary.)

The Secure Housing Unit (SHU) mentioned above isn’t necessarily solitary either. I’ve seen documentaries on SHUs in which each inmate shared a cell and there were communal (but insanely highly supervised) recreation areas. It was basically where gang members were sent to not be with the rest of the prison, but not the same as solitary.

It’s easy enough to make those statements from the comfort of your keyboard, as a free citizen (I’m assuming you’re not posting from prison). But if you were locked in isolation for a few months you might change your mind.

Ok. A hypothetical: We have people against the death penalty. We have people that say confinement for 23 hrs a day (as per American supermax standards) is torture.

We also have people that rape/torture/murder and chop up and bury children and admit they will do it again if let back on the streets.

If the DP is wrong, and lifetime solitary is wrong, WTF do we do with them?

Keep in mind that the majority of prisoners are not in solitary confinement.

Well understood, but my point was, if a person considers the DP wrong and solitary wrong, what would be their solution to housing the boogeyman type inmate.

As I said a hypothetical.

And BTW, I have much respect for your posts over the years regarding the penal system and your work therein.

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Ever tried causing harm to other people while someone is electrocuting your balls? You get that benefit from ALL types of torture, including waterboarding.

I believe there are a lot of people in the world who deserve to die. But I don’t want a government that kills them. I don’t see a conflict in that.

And if you limit human rights to some people, they’re no longer human rights. Then they’re privileges. If you’re human, you should have human rights, even if you’re a very “bad” human.

Sweden has a very bad record when it comes to solitary confinement and is reprimanded yearly by Amnesty International. I think it is embarrasing for us as a nation and that we should try to end the practise.

Putting someone in “the hole” is certainly cruel and unusual. That is without light or someone to talk to. That is can cause permanent mental damage is undisputed. That it is a punishment isn’t disputed. So it is torture. There are some prisoners who are so dangerous that they must be kept separetely, however, they are not deprived of light and usually not deprived of others in the same cell block. The alternative would seem to be execution, drugs, or lobotomy. All of which are worse. That doesn’t make it not torture, however.

Are saying that punishment is torture?