# Is teaching your daughter racism? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 24, 2002, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-teaching-your-daughter-racism/144776 "2002-12-24T22:05:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Dryga\_Yes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/838e76/32.png) [@Dryga\_Yes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dryga_Yes)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2002, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-teaching-your-daughter-racism/144776/21 "2002-12-25T01:46:07Z")
That’s extremely racist and if I happened to meet one of those _ahem_ hypothetical fathers I’d smack him over the head with a clue by four. “Hey guys I really hope my grandkids have healthy aryan features, if they don’t they aren’t as beautiful as they could be. I’m not a racist though 🆒” ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2002, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-teaching-your-daughter-racism/144776/22 "2002-12-25T01:49:51Z")
Don’t try the after-the-fact moving target trick, **verybdog**. Your OP example “b” says clearly and explicitly: **"(B) a white father’s tell her daughter not to marry a Black"** This is _very different_ from that last post, where (1) at NO point does the father tell her who to marry and (2) the girl’s “promise” (which if she’s a day over 11 she knows is not a real binding promise but just a gesture of endearment) in no way shape or form precludes her marrying/dating a black man. Like I said, in this case dad is just sadly shallow when it comes to physical appearance (and now sappy and maudlin, to boot!). ---
**Author:** ![verybdog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/49beb7/32.png) [@verybdog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/verybdog)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2002, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-teaching-your-daughter-racism/144776/23 "2002-12-25T02:12:41Z")
No, JRD, actually you didn’t get it. See, the father is extremely smart and cautious. He understands that under the current vicious politically correct environment he could get tons of “a clue by four” by explicitly telling his daughter “You must not marry a black man, or I’ll kill you!” Instead, he implements option (B) by subtlely using daily dialogue like that in my previous post to influence her, contantly, slowly, and surely. (brain washing, that is) All he wants is another barbie doll granddaughter that would look as lovely as his own daughter! But he is not a racist. He doesn’t hate blacks in any shape and form. Moreover, don’t underestimate the binding powers that a father has over their daughters - that there are so many of them out there who would do anything, by all means, to fulfill their beloved fathers’ wishes. How could you possibly call such a father a racist? ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2002, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-teaching-your-daughter-racism/144776/24 "2002-12-25T02:22:04Z")
So, Dad isn’t a racist because his reason for brainwashing his daughter is because she has less of a chance of having a blue-eyed babydoll if she marries out of her race? Again I ask, why _wouldn’t_ a mixed race baby look like it’s grandfather? ---
**Author:** ![Dryga\_Yes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/838e76/32.png) [@Dryga\_Yes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dryga_Yes)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2002, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-teaching-your-daughter-racism/144776/25 "2002-12-25T02:23:50Z")
Wait, let me get this straight. He is _so scared_ of the prospect of a black man fathering his grandchild that he’ll _brainwash his own children_ to prevent it from ever happening. You’re right, how could I possible consider such a father a racist? ---
**Author:** ![verybdog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/49beb7/32.png) [@verybdog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/verybdog)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2002, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-teaching-your-daughter-racism/144776/26 "2002-12-25T02:27:41Z")
“why wouldn’t a mixed race baby look like it’s grandfather?” Because the gene of blue eyes is weaker. When a blue-eye marries a black-eye, guess whose eye-color will the bady take? ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2002, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-teaching-your-daughter-racism/144776/27 "2002-12-25T02:31:55Z")
Easily: by saying “the man is a racist” But actually that is now beside the point, **verybdog**. You have just described dad as a really pathetic, twisted, manipulative, exploitative bigot, for whom his “beloved” daughter is not a human being with a life of her own, but something that exists to please _hime_. You have made him worse, as now he’s deliberately trying to “condition” his daughter into being a particular kind of daddy-pleaser, as opposed to “educating” her on how come a particular course of action will improve her quality of life. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2002, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-teaching-your-daughter-racism/144776/28 "2002-12-25T02:35:36Z")
And if the baby doesn’t have blue eyes, then there’s no chance it will look like his grandfather? Uh, no. What, he’s got some blue eye fetish or something? No, I think you are trying to say that a dark skinned child will not look like it’s own family. You’re wrong. The kid will get 1/4 of its genes from grandad no matter what the father’s color is. ---
**Author:** ![Dryga\_Yes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/838e76/32.png) [@Dryga\_Yes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dryga_Yes)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2002, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-teaching-your-daughter-racism/144776/29 "2002-12-25T02:38:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by verybdog \* > \*\*“why wouldn’t a mixed race baby look like it’s grandfather?” > > Because the gene of blue eyes is weaker. When a blue-eye marries a black-eye, guess whose eye-color will the bady take? \*\* [sidenote] Go earn yourself some basic genetics. If b is the recessive blue-eye gene and B is the dominant brown-eyed gene, then all blue-eyed people have “bb” and brown-eyed people have “BB”, “bB” or “Bb”. If a blue-eyed girl has a baby with a brown-eyed man, there’s a one in three chance the baby will be blue-eyed too (assuming B and b are equally common). [/sidenote] Either way, would you have a problem if it was a brown-eyed white guy? ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2002, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-teaching-your-daughter-racism/144776/30 "2002-12-25T04:31:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MEBuckner \* > \*\ ***Moderator’s Note:** **Hamlet** , let’s leave the speculating on what the “b” stands for out of GD, please. \*\* And what happened then…? Well…in Great Debates they say That **MEBuckner’s** small heart Grew three sizes that day! Ruin my Christmas Eve you Grinch. ---
**Author:** ![blowero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blowero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blowero)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2002, 9:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-teaching-your-daughter-racism/144776/31 "2002-12-25T09:17:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by verybdog \* > Please tell me I am wrong. Done. Look, we already told you you’re wrong. Are you going to keep starting new threads until someone agrees with you? ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2002, 10:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-teaching-your-daughter-racism/144776/32 "2002-12-25T10:33:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by verybdog \* > No, JRD, actually you didn’t get it. See, the father is extremely smart and cautious. He understands that under the current vicious politically correct environment he could get tons of “a clue by four” by explicitly telling his daughter “You must not marry a black man, or I’ll kill you!” Instead, he implements option (B) by subtlely using daily dialogue like that in my previous post to influence her, contantly, slowly, and surely. (brain washing, that is) > > All he wants is another barbie doll granddaughter that would look as lovely as his own daughter! But he is not a racist. He doesn’t hate blacks in any shape and form. > > Moreover, don’t underestimate the binding powers that a father has over their daughters - that there are so many of them out there who would do anything, by all means, to fulfill their beloved fathers’ wishes. > > How could you possibly call such a father a racist? Well, if I’m reading _this_ post correctly, the father _really_ wants to forbid his daughter from marrying a black man, but because he is “smart and cautious”, he just gives his daughter a lot of glurge about how he hopes his granddaughter will be just as lovely and golden-haired and blue-eyed as she is. Thus, I would call the father not only a racist, but a scheming and manipulative racist to boot. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2002, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-teaching-your-daughter-racism/144776/33 "2002-12-25T13:20:01Z")
Let me get this straight, **verybdog**. If the child had the same facial structures but different colored eyes as the grandfather, they would look the same, but if the child had a different facial structure but the same colored eyes, they would look _different_? Why wouldn’t your hypothetical father just tell the daughter not to marry anyone who didn’t have blue eyes? Would it be okey dokey if she found someone of a different race who had blue eyes? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2002, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-teaching-your-daughter-racism/144776/34 "2002-12-25T15:50:54Z")
**verybdog** , just out of curiosity, what if your hypothetical daughter told your hypothetical father that she didn’t want to have kids at all. Should the father then have any objection to the daughter marrying a black man? I have to say though, that even your first hypothetical makes my skin crawl. Only the worst kind of manipulaive, narcissistic jerk would try to dictate what would or would not be an acceptable asthetic standard for his own grandkids. ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2002, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-teaching-your-daughter-racism/144776/35 "2002-12-25T16:23:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Biggirl \* > \*\*The kid will get 1/4 of its genes from grandad no matter what the father’s color is. \*\* Leaving aside the bizarre OP (are we getting more of these people by the day, or is it just me?), I don’t think this statement is true. Gene selection is random. It’s possible a child could end up with none of its grandfather’s genes since the kid gets only two pairings. For instance let’s use the blonde gene and assume it is recessive. The blond grandfather has a pairing of bb and the brown-haired granny has a pairing of BB. So we see the child (the father of the kid in question) ends up with a pairing of Bb. Let’s say that child grows up and, in some sort of repressed Oedipal moment, marries a woman with another BB pairing. Now, it’s a 50-50 chance that the grandfather’s b gene will be continued or will be wiped out. So, it’s basically guaranteed that a child will carry half of it’s father’s genes, but only 50-50 that it will carry any particular gene of the grandfather. Unless I’m wrong. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2002, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-teaching-your-daughter-racism/144776/36 "2002-12-25T16:34:05Z")
I’m wondering why the grandfather cares (or feels he has the right to intrude) about the looks of his grandchildren. Is he planning on dating them? ps-(Its a good thing his daughter took after _his_ side of the family as I’m assuming he wouldn’t love his daughter if she had taken after the mom’s side of the family.) Oh and Merry Christmas. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2002, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-teaching-your-daughter-racism/144776/37 "2002-12-25T16:37:30Z")
Hmm… IF you’re right, **Neurotik** , then _even if she marries Mr. Aryan Nation 2002 there’s the **same chance that the future babies will NOT "look like grandpa"** _(whatever that is supposed to mean) at all, but instead would actually “look like” some OTHER white guy… and where would that leave Mr. Hypothetical’s wish to transmit “his” genes? Y’know, re-reading the “corrected” scenario only makes the relationship of that hypothetical father-daughter grow ever creepier… ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2002, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-teaching-your-daughter-racism/144776/38 "2002-12-25T16:43:08Z")
Tell me about it, **JR**. The grandfather would have to go out of his way to marry a woman with extremely similar genes as him. And then make sure his daughter marries a man with extremely similar genes. It could be like _Vertigo_ with the grandfather sneaking into his son-in-laws room and asking him to wear his clothes and cut his hair properly. Very scary. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2002, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-teaching-your-daughter-racism/144776/39 "2002-12-25T17:14:30Z")
And of course the best way for him to preserve his genes is to marry his daughter. I think that’s **verybdog** ’s long range argument, pro-incest. Once we agree that we should only marry within our race it’s a short jump to only marrying within your family. Vive la revolution!! ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2002, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-teaching-your-daughter-racism/144776/40 "2002-12-25T17:16:12Z")
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