# Is Ted Stevens toast? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 21, 2008, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-ted-stevens-toast/468851 "2008-10-21T03:17:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2008, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-ted-stevens-toast/468851/101 "2008-10-28T21:05:29Z")
> [@Tuckerfan](#): > > Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t Senate rules state that if Stevens is expelled by the Senate, he loses his pension and related benefits? Would he get to keep them if he resigns (or loses the election) and then loses his appeals? Because if he gets to keep all of that, even though he goes to prison, then it’d be pretty shitty of him to stick around and get expelled, thus costing his wife the pension and other benefits she’d get, even after he dies. As I understand it, he used his time on the witness stand to try to throw her under a bus\*. It doesn’t strike me as a giant leap that he’d have only a very small amount of concern for her continued affluence after he passes. \*Feel free to correct me if I’m ovesimplifying, here. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2008, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-ted-stevens-toast/468851/102 "2008-10-28T21:39:43Z")
Why no perp walk? He should have been handcuffed and led away. Then sit in jail until bonded out or sentenced. He should have been shown what it feels like. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-ted-stevens-toast/468851/103 "2008-10-29T00:07:13Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > The ulterior motive here is that Palin wants to be able to suspend the general election for senator and hold a “special election” later, so that the election can be “fair”. In other words, she either wants to make sure there is a Pubbie on the ballot to prevent a sure thing for the Dem, or she is hedging her bets for when she loses the VP slot and will put herself forward for the senate seat. Either way, fuck them both. Really? I’ve never heard of a Senate race being stopped because of some issue realated to a candidate. Come to think of it, I’ve never heard of a Senate election being stopped at all. Has the governor or anyone else actually taken any actions to make this happen? And, if Stevens resigns today, and is elected next week, isn’t he a Senator again? That might even be a clever way to avoid expulsion – “I DID resign my seat, but the people of Alaska wouldn’t have it. They brought me back.” Of course, if he loses, that would turn out to be a poor strategy. Ihave seen some stories saying his numbers are way down, and giving the Dem a much better chance at the seat. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-ted-stevens-toast/468851/104 "2008-10-29T01:02:37Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > Really? I’ve never heard of a Senate race being stopped because of some issue realated to a candidate. Come to think of it, I’ve never heard of a Senate election being stopped at all. Has the governor or anyone else actually taken any actions to make this happen? > > And, if Stevens resigns today, and is elected next week, isn’t he a Senator again? That might even be a clever way to avoid expulsion – “I DID resign my seat, but the people of Alaska wouldn’t have it. They brought me back.” > > Of course, if he loses, that would turn out to be a poor strategy. Ihave seen some stories saying his numbers are way down, and giving the Dem a much better chance at the seat. I’m sure she can’t, but that doesn’t mean she doesn’t want to try. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-ted-stevens-toast/468851/105 "2008-10-29T13:43:17Z")
Hey, [boat eggs](http://www.b3ta.com/board/8883631). ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-ted-stevens-toast/468851/106 "2008-10-29T16:01:21Z")
What size boat comes out of boat eggs? Does it come out a canoe and grow to freighter.? How can you tell a male from a female.? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-ted-stevens-toast/468851/107 "2008-10-29T16:02:31Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > What size boat comes out of boat eggs? Does it come out a canoe and grow to freighter.? How can you tell a male from a female.? Males have an outboard… ---
**Author:** ![Snickers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@Snickers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snickers)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-ted-stevens-toast/468851/108 "2008-10-29T17:41:12Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > The ulterior motive here is that Palin wants to be able to suspend the general election for senator and hold a “special election” later, so that the election can be “fair”. In other words, she either wants to make sure there is a Pubbie on the ballot to prevent a sure thing for the Dem, or she is hedging her bets for when she loses the VP slot and will put herself forward for the senate seat. Either way, fuck them both. **Chefguy** , it seems to me that the above alludes to the fact that Palin resigned her gubernatorial position to run for VPotUS, and thus would just be “Joe Average” after the election should she and McCain lose. I haven’t heard this before - is this true? I was thinking that after the election, she’d return to being the governor of Alaska should they lose. Or are you saying that should they lose, she’d return to governor, then put herself forward for the senate seat? (I have to admit to being slightly thrilled if she’d have no elected position after Nov. 4) ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-ted-stevens-toast/468851/109 "2008-10-29T17:46:55Z")
> [@Snickers](#): > > **Chefguy** , it seems to me that the above alludes to the fact that Palin resigned her gubernatorial position to run for VPotUS, and thus would just be “Joe Average” after the election should she and McCain lose. I haven’t heard this before - is this true? I was thinking that after the election, she’d return to being the governor of Alaska should they lose. Or are you saying that should they lose, she’d return to governor, then put herself forward for the senate seat? > > (I have to admit to being slightly thrilled if she’d have no elected position after Nov. 4) I think she is still the governor. She has been issuing orders to people in her administration not to cooperate with the legislature’s investigation. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-ted-stevens-toast/468851/110 "2008-10-29T18:32:38Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Males have an outboard… I think I love you… ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-ted-stevens-toast/468851/111 "2008-10-29T21:36:03Z")
> [@Snickers](#): > > **Chefguy** , it seems to me that the above alludes to the fact that Palin resigned her gubernatorial position to run for VPotUS, and thus would just be “Joe Average” after the election should she and McCain lose. I haven’t heard this before - is this true? I was thinking that after the election, she’d return to being the governor of Alaska should they lose. Or are you saying that should they lose, she’d return to governor, then put herself forward for the senate seat? > > (I have to admit to being slightly thrilled if she’d have no elected position after Nov. 4) Yeah, she’s still the guv, and I stated my case poorly. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2008, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-ted-stevens-toast/468851/112 "2008-10-30T14:13:50Z")
[Felony is OK, as long as you vote Republican:](http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/stevens-allowed-to-vote-next-week-2008-10-29.html) > [@](#): > > Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska) will be allowed to vote in next week’s election despite being found guilty of committing seven felonies, an Alaskan agency ruled Wednesday evening. > > In order to be disqualified from voting in Alaska, a citizen must have committed a felony involving “moral turpitude” and the guilty verdict must meet the legal definition of a conviction. > > Stevens’s crime does amount to a felony of moral turpitude, but since the court case is not officially concluded, he has not technically been convicted, according to a memo from the Alaska Department of Law. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2008, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-ted-stevens-toast/468851/113 "2008-10-30T15:23:18Z")
Ted returned home yesterday to an [adoring crowd](http://www.adn.com/ted-stevens/story/572441.html), telling him that it was all the other guy’s fault and that he just made an honest mistake of trusting someone he thought was a friend. I think what he means is that he trusted him not to turn state’s evidence in return for a lighter sentence. Fuck you, Ted. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-ted-stevens-toast/468851/114 "2008-11-01T03:52:01Z")
[Ted Stevens and Sarah Palin to get new show on Fox.](http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/political-pictures-ted-stevens-sarah-palin-prison-break.jpg)😉 ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-ted-stevens-toast/468851/115 "2008-11-01T04:05:54Z")
Today Stevens says he is not guilty until the appeal is finished. Wonder why they tried him. ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-ted-stevens-toast/468851/116 "2008-11-01T05:20:46Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Today Stevens says he is not guilty until the appeal is finished. Wonder why they tried him. Technically he said he has not been convicted of anything, which I guess is technically accurate. Once the jury delivers a verdict it is up to a judge to impose judgment and sentence. This has not yet happened. He cannot file an appeal until it does, so if he files an appeal it will mean that he has in fact been convicted. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-ted-stevens-toast/468851/117 "2008-11-01T10:28:41Z")
> [@askeptic](#): > > Technically he said he has not been convicted of anything, which I guess is technically accurate. Once the jury delivers a verdict it is up to a judge to impose judgment and sentence. This has not yet happened. He cannot file an appeal until it does, so if he files an appeal it will mean that he has in fact been convicted. Yeah, he needs to be sentenced for the trial to officially be over. There have been cases where people die between the jury’s verdict and sentencing, and they get to be buried with a clean record. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 10:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-ted-stevens-toast/468851/118 "2008-11-01T10:55:46Z")
[Ken Lay](http://money.cnn.com/2006/10/17/news/newsmakers/ken_lay/index.htm) ---
**Author:** ![leander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bcef8e/32.png) [@leander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leander)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 11:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-ted-stevens-toast/468851/119 "2008-11-01T11:00:40Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Yeah, he needs to be sentenced for the trial to officially be over. There have been cases where people die between the jury’s verdict and sentencing, and they get to be buried with a clean record. Geez, the guy just can’t catch a break! ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-ted-stevens-toast/468851/120 "2008-11-01T15:48:44Z")
It’s the lawyer in him coming out. Nobody with a brain is buying what he’s selling. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-ted-stevens-toast/468851.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-ted-stevens-toast/468851.md?page=7)