# Is that a fat woman gets to see a short guy as "equivalent" a form of sexual affirmative action? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [June 23, 2016, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-a-fat-woman-gets-to-see-a-short-guy-as-equivalent-a-form-of-sexual-affirmative-action/758108 "2016-06-23T02:26:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-a-fat-woman-gets-to-see-a-short-guy-as-equivalent-a-form-of-sexual-affirmative-action/758108/1 "2016-06-23T02:26:54Z")
This idiotic idea that society has forced on short height men, that they must lower than standards if they want to increase the quantity of sex and dating they get, is preposterous. Height cannot be controlled at all, thus it does not reflect one’s values or personality traits. Weight can be; those who are fat are too lazy to go to the gym, and lack will power to control their diet. Given that some short men keep in good physical shape, women who aren’t quite slender (euphemism) should be HONOURED to get some of them, instead of acting all prissy and spoiled. Is that heavier woman can “look down” on a short guy a great example of sexual affirmative action brought about the “feminism,” which clearly looks for easy targets, and short men are? ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-a-fat-woman-gets-to-see-a-short-guy-as-equivalent-a-form-of-sexual-affirmative-action/758108/2 "2016-06-23T02:34:00Z")
and the anti-short-man sentiment, particularly from feminists is pure hypocrisy at best: > **[Alison Taylor on relationships: Heightism is rife on apps like Tinder](https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/alison-taylor-on-relationships-heightism-is-rife-on-apps-like-tinder-particularly-towards-men-10394115.html)** > > When Alison asked her intelligent, liberal and usually lovely girlfriends, the majority agreed that they would be hesitant dating a short(er) guy [http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/assignments/share-your-news-and-views/10623936/Taking-a-stand-against-heightism](http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/assignments/share-your-news-and-views/10623936/Taking-a-stand-against-heightism) > [@](#): > > When I asked around my intelligent, liberal and usually lovely girlfriends, the majority agreed that they would be hesitant dating a short(er) guy. In fact, most had quite a strong reaction to it, like height was a deal-breaker. “We’re so feminist about everything else but not this,” said one, a little shame-faced. > [@](#): > > \*\*Having moved on from that delightful office I had to work with a rather disgusting man who informed us he would never date a fat girl, because it’s so embarrassing. He was ripped into as he should’ve been, but the lady who told us a few weeks later that she would never date a short guy got a round of applause. > > So why is it, that male heightism is still allowed? Where is the anger from New Zealand feminists, on Twitter, Tumblr, Facebook and Instagram? Where are the letters to stuff? > > They talk of white privilege, dude bros, mansplainers, bigotry, racism and fatism, but yet they give a free ride to heightism.\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Bootis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e8c25b/32.png) [@Bootis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bootis)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-a-fat-woman-gets-to-see-a-short-guy-as-equivalent-a-form-of-sexual-affirmative-action/758108/3 "2016-06-23T02:55:40Z")
same with uglies! Ugly ass dudes who have no control over being ugly. They shouldn’t have to settle for less attractive women. Hot women should be forced to have sex with them. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-a-fat-woman-gets-to-see-a-short-guy-as-equivalent-a-form-of-sexual-affirmative-action/758108/4 "2016-06-23T03:01:26Z")
What the actual fuck. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-a-fat-woman-gets-to-see-a-short-guy-as-equivalent-a-form-of-sexual-affirmative-action/758108/5 "2016-06-23T03:03:01Z")
> [@Bootis](#): > > same with uglies! Ugly ass dudes who have no control over being ugly. They shouldn’t have to settle for less attractive women. Hot women should be forced to have sex with them. Ugly is subjective; height is not. Also, plastic surgery can help with a bad face and nose; there is no practicable height surgery, aside from breaking your leg bones for one or two inches. A girl who is less slim than a short guy ought to check her arrogance. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-a-fat-woman-gets-to-see-a-short-guy-as-equivalent-a-form-of-sexual-affirmative-action/758108/6 "2016-06-23T03:07:17Z")
While I fully agree that there is a double standard, the way you are arguing the point is counterproductive. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ea5d25/32.png) [@Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Scrappy_Hero_Pup)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-a-fat-woman-gets-to-see-a-short-guy-as-equivalent-a-form-of-sexual-affirmative-action/758108/7 "2016-06-23T03:16:20Z")
This is ridiculous. First, height and weight are subcategories of attractiveness. Some people like short people, or thick people, or people with unusual features, while others find that ugly. Second, sex and dating aren’t things you “get.” They aren’t commodities, and a conventionally pretty woman is not a thing that owes you something. Your problem isn’t that you are short, it’s that you are incapable of comprehending this. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-a-fat-woman-gets-to-see-a-short-guy-as-equivalent-a-form-of-sexual-affirmative-action/758108/8 "2016-06-23T03:17:37Z")
Someone oughta write a song! ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-a-fat-woman-gets-to-see-a-short-guy-as-equivalent-a-form-of-sexual-affirmative-action/758108/9 "2016-06-23T03:25:53Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > This idiotic idea that society has forced on short height men, that they must lower than standards if they want to increase the quantity of sex and dating they get, is preposterous. Refuse to settle, **Derek**! > [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > the anti-short-man sentiment, particularly from feminists is pure hypocrisy at best Cross those women _right off_ your list! ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-a-fat-woman-gets-to-see-a-short-guy-as-equivalent-a-form-of-sexual-affirmative-action/758108/10 "2016-06-23T03:34:12Z")
Michael Bloomberg is a wee little man, and I hear he has access to ALL the prime pussy. ---
**Author:** ![beowulff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beowulff/32/542_2.png) [@beowulff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beowulff)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-a-fat-woman-gets-to-see-a-short-guy-as-equivalent-a-form-of-sexual-affirmative-action/758108/11 "2016-06-23T03:36:35Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > Michael Bloomberg is a wee little man, and I hear he has access to ALL the prime pussy. And the sub-prime, too! ---
**Author:** ![splatterpunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3be4f8/32.png) [@splatterpunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/splatterpunk)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-a-fat-woman-gets-to-see-a-short-guy-as-equivalent-a-form-of-sexual-affirmative-action/758108/12 "2016-06-23T03:38:16Z")
You should start a new movement: **Stubs before Chubs!** Or how about: **Shrimps before Blimps!** ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-a-fat-woman-gets-to-see-a-short-guy-as-equivalent-a-form-of-sexual-affirmative-action/758108/13 "2016-06-23T03:38:23Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > Given that some short men keep in good physical shape, women who aren’t quite slender (euphemism) should be HONOURED to get some of them, instead of acting all prissy and spoiled. Uh-huh. This is not a line I’d recommend trotting out at the speed-dating table. > [@John\_Mace](#): > > Someone oughta write a song! Why, I’m pretty sure Randy Newman did ;). ---
**Author:** ![Enter\_the\_Flagon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Enter\_the\_Flagon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enter_the_Flagon)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-a-fat-woman-gets-to-see-a-short-guy-as-equivalent-a-form-of-sexual-affirmative-action/758108/14 "2016-06-23T03:38:46Z")
I’m convinced that if you politely explain to these women how arrogant and hypocritical they’re being, they’ll suddenly find you attractive - physical attraction being a conscious decision and all - and grant you all that nookie to which you are so justly entitled. And as an ugly guy, I’ll try it too, since it’s so much cheaper than plastic surgery. Man, this’ll be even better than that time I spent a $150 on pheremone spray! ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-a-fat-woman-gets-to-see-a-short-guy-as-equivalent-a-form-of-sexual-affirmative-action/758108/15 "2016-06-23T03:43:53Z")
Also, consider short dudes indiscriminately screwing fat chicks. We could end up with a swarming race of revolting short, fat people…_Untermenschen_, if you will. I suppose they could be enslaved, employed as house servants and field laborers. Or we normal tall, slender persons could utilize them as a food source. Served up whole and roasted on a platter with an apple in the mouth…might be a fine party dish. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-a-fat-woman-gets-to-see-a-short-guy-as-equivalent-a-form-of-sexual-affirmative-action/758108/16 "2016-06-23T03:45:32Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > Is that heavier woman can “look down” on a short guy a great example of sexual affirmative action brought about the “feminism,” which clearly looks for easy targets, and short men are? I don’t get what you’re saying about “sexual affirmative action”. I think I understand the rest of your post; I think it’s _wrong_, but I think I understand it. But what is “sexual affirmative action” supposed to mean? ---
**Author:** ![Battle\_Pope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@Battle\_Pope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Battle_Pope)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-a-fat-woman-gets-to-see-a-short-guy-as-equivalent-a-form-of-sexual-affirmative-action/758108/17 "2016-06-23T03:54:18Z")
> [@Peremensoe](#): > > Refuse to settle, **Derek**! > > Cross those women _right off_ your list! He could always trade his fedora for a stove-pipe. ---
**Author:** ![splatterpunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3be4f8/32.png) [@splatterpunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/splatterpunk)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-a-fat-woman-gets-to-see-a-short-guy-as-equivalent-a-form-of-sexual-affirmative-action/758108/18 "2016-06-23T03:57:45Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > I don’t get what you’re saying about “sexual affirmative action”. > > I think I understand the rest of your post; I think it’s _wrong_, but I think I understand it. But what is “sexual affirmative action” supposed to mean? I think it means that fat women can choose their sexual partners, but short men cannot. And this is the direct result of feminism, or double standards, or something. Bottom line is the OP can’t get laid unless he goes with a fat chick. Because he’s short. But fat chicks don’t like short guys, so they’re hypocrites. Or something. **Shrimps before Blimps!** ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-a-fat-woman-gets-to-see-a-short-guy-as-equivalent-a-form-of-sexual-affirmative-action/758108/19 "2016-06-23T04:12:32Z")
I think the OP is saying - but saying in a very abrasive way - is that if it’s wrong to be prejudiced against someone because of their weight, then it’s equally wrong to be prejudiced against someone because of their height. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-a-fat-woman-gets-to-see-a-short-guy-as-equivalent-a-form-of-sexual-affirmative-action/758108/20 "2016-06-23T04:36:24Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > I think the OP is saying - but saying in a very abrasive way - is that if it’s wrong to be prejudiced against someone because of their weight, then it’s equally wrong to be prejudiced against someone because of their height. No, he’s saying that it’s wrong not to find someone attractive because of their height, because they can’t control it, but it’s OK not to be attracted to someone because of their weight, because they are lazy shits. He is apparently complaining that not even women he doesn’t find attractive will sleep with him. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-a-fat-woman-gets-to-see-a-short-guy-as-equivalent-a-form-of-sexual-affirmative-action/758108.md?page=2)