# Is that a fat woman gets to see a short guy as "equivalent" a form of sexual affirmative action? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [June 23, 2016, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-a-fat-woman-gets-to-see-a-short-guy-as-equivalent-a-form-of-sexual-affirmative-action/758108 "2016-06-23T02:26:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-a-fat-woman-gets-to-see-a-short-guy-as-equivalent-a-form-of-sexual-affirmative-action/758108/81 "2016-06-23T17:29:35Z")
> [@naita](#): > > All I see are a couple of jabs clearly intended to taunt the OP rather than casual ridicule of short men. Well, first, we have the former mayor of New York’s dismissive description based on his height: > [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > Michael Bloomberg is a wee little man, Bloomberg, who is between 5’7" and 5’8" tall, being about 1-2 inches shorter than average, by the way. We have this lovely sentiment: > [@Anaamika](#): > > I don’t date short guys, I just use them for sex and then discard them afterwards. To coin the immortal Madeline Kahn, [short] men should be like Kleenex: soft, strong, and disposable. And, the hack stereotypes always pop up as well: > [@TriPolar](#): > > I think the OP is short. He should try overcompensating. This thread is less than 2 pages. Any thread where a similar topic comes up will have comments that would be absolutely unacceptable about other physical aspects of a person. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-a-fat-woman-gets-to-see-a-short-guy-as-equivalent-a-form-of-sexual-affirmative-action/758108/82 "2016-06-23T17:35:39Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > This thread is less than 2 pages. Any thread where a similar topic comes up will have comments that would be absolutely unacceptable about other physical aspects of a person. Oh, good Christ. Do you really think **Anaamika** is serious? Or that any of those comments were anything but much deserved jabs at the OP? Get real. And just to clue you in, Randy Newman wasn’t serious about hating short people either. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-a-fat-woman-gets-to-see-a-short-guy-as-equivalent-a-form-of-sexual-affirmative-action/758108/83 "2016-06-23T17:42:24Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > Oh, good Christ. Do you really think **Anaamika** is serious? Or that any of those comments were anything but much deserved jabs at the OP? Get real. > > And just to clue you in, Randy Newman wasn’t serious about hating short people either. Try similar comments about race or sexuality in a similar thread sometime and see how it goes. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-a-fat-woman-gets-to-see-a-short-guy-as-equivalent-a-form-of-sexual-affirmative-action/758108/84 "2016-06-23T17:45:32Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > This thread is less than 2 pages. Any thread where a similar topic comes up will have comments that would be absolutely unacceptable about other physical aspects of a person. Did you read the OP’s OP wherein he gratuitously slams fat women because they don’t want to sleep with him? Spend a little time familiarizing yourself with the OP’s posting history. Then come back and we’ll talk. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-a-fat-woman-gets-to-see-a-short-guy-as-equivalent-a-form-of-sexual-affirmative-action/758108/85 "2016-06-23T17:49:26Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Try similar comments about race or sexuality in a similar thread sometime and see how it goes. HEY, god damn it! Many of my BEST FRIENDS are short men! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-a-fat-woman-gets-to-see-a-short-guy-as-equivalent-a-form-of-sexual-affirmative-action/758108/86 "2016-06-23T17:53:31Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Try similar comments about race or sexuality in a similar thread sometime and see how it goes. For what it’s worth, I don’t sleep with homosexuals. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-a-fat-woman-gets-to-see-a-short-guy-as-equivalent-a-form-of-sexual-affirmative-action/758108/87 "2016-06-23T17:56:21Z")
AND I’ll have you know that men like me are CONSTANTLY mocked on this message board: 1. Men with graying hair 2. Under-employed men 3. Nearsighted men 4. Men who might have a few extra inches around their waists because they like their beer too much 5. Alcoholic men 6. Men who are bad with numbers 7. Men with mule-sized penises And I MAN UP and TAKE IT. So SUCK IT UP, short stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Sampsiceramos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Sampsiceramos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampsiceramos)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-a-fat-woman-gets-to-see-a-short-guy-as-equivalent-a-form-of-sexual-affirmative-action/758108/88 "2016-06-23T17:57:44Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Did you read the OP’s OP wherein he gratuitously slams fat women because they don’t want to sleep with him? > > Spend a little time familiarizing yourself with the OP’s posting history. Then come back and we’ll talk. Query: If there were, say, a wildly distasteful poster on this board who you just so happened to know was not only incredibly obnoxious, but also black, would you consider it acceptable to casually make snide comments about his race? As much as the OP is a constant annoyance every time he makes the ill-considered choice to submit a post to this board, that does not somehow legitimize some of the stuff that’s been posted in this thread. However deserved it might be, it is in incredibly bad taste. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-a-fat-woman-gets-to-see-a-short-guy-as-equivalent-a-form-of-sexual-affirmative-action/758108/89 "2016-06-23T18:02:02Z")
I take absolutely no issue with OP’s stature. What gives you reason to think I do? ---
**Author:** ![Sampsiceramos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Sampsiceramos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampsiceramos)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-a-fat-woman-gets-to-see-a-short-guy-as-equivalent-a-form-of-sexual-affirmative-action/758108/90 "2016-06-23T18:06:48Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > I take absolutely no issue with OP’s stature. What gives you reason to think I do? I’m not suggesting that you personally take issue with his stature, but there are definitely posters so far in this thread who seem to find it entirely OK to mock his size because he is a disagreeable person. To me, this is not far removed from hurling racial epithets at someone because they are annoying. The words spoken may not be motivated by prejudice per se, but they are distasteful nonetheless. Call the OP an imbecile for all I care - but deliberately mocking his height just to rile him up is puerile and unbecoming. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-a-fat-woman-gets-to-see-a-short-guy-as-equivalent-a-form-of-sexual-affirmative-action/758108/91 "2016-06-23T18:10:48Z")
The OP has never said that \*\*\*he \*\*\*himself is short. Just because he starts a thread about short men doesn’t mean he himself is short. You don’t have to be fat to start a thread about fat-ness, Hispanic to start a thread about being Hispanic, have a PhdD to start a thread about PhDs, a lesbian to start a thread about lesbians. ---
**Author:** ![Sampsiceramos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Sampsiceramos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampsiceramos)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-a-fat-woman-gets-to-see-a-short-guy-as-equivalent-a-form-of-sexual-affirmative-action/758108/92 "2016-06-23T18:12:33Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > The OP has never said that \*\*\*he \*\*\*himself is short. Just because he starts a thread about short men doesn’t mean he himself is short. > You don’t have to be fat to start a thread about fat-ness, Hispanic to start a thread about being Hispanic, have a PhdD to start a thread about PhDs, a lesbian to start a thread about lesbians. I am relatively certain that the OP has on multiple occasions (perhaps in previous threads?) referred to himself as being of below-average height, but I may be wrong. If this is not the case and I am misremembering, I withdraw my criticism. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-a-fat-woman-gets-to-see-a-short-guy-as-equivalent-a-form-of-sexual-affirmative-action/758108/93 "2016-06-23T18:15:46Z")
> [@Sampsiceramos](#): > > I am relatively certain that the OP has on multiple occasions (perhaps in previous threads?) referred to himself as being of below-average height, but I may be wrong. If this is not the case and I am misremembering, I withdraw my criticism. Hmmm. If he is, then I retract my comment too. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-a-fat-woman-gets-to-see-a-short-guy-as-equivalent-a-form-of-sexual-affirmative-action/758108/94 "2016-06-23T18:26:04Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Tyrion Lannister got all the mad action he could handle (first few season, anyway). I suggest the OP try being richer, funnier and/or drunker. He’s already got the inconsistent British accent going for him. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-a-fat-woman-gets-to-see-a-short-guy-as-equivalent-a-form-of-sexual-affirmative-action/758108/95 "2016-06-23T18:26:54Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > FWIW, I think the OP makes a valid point; short men are indeed considered less attractive than tall men, generally speaking. It’s just that he communicates it in such a way that antagonizes his audience. If he had said, “Being short is not the fault of the short person, and it is a disadvantage in many ways, and it is wrong to ridicule short people,” I think he would have had a more receptive audience. Different thread would have resulted, that’s for sure. I think this one went off the rails early with the title: > [@](#): > > Is that a fat woman gets to see a short guy as “equivalent” a form of sexual affirmative action? The title alone uses equivalent in a way that implies that fat women and men are not equals (implied superiority to men). I am guessing that the OP feels that neither is worth sleeping with, hence the phrase “sexual affirmative action”. This seems to indicate there’s a fair play system at work. Repeated requests for clarification have gone un-answered. The thread continued its trip to crazy town with the OP’s statement that fat women should be grateful for the opportunity to bang short guys. All replies from that point forward should be taken with large grains of salt. I don’t think you should take comments in this thread in any way as indicative as anyone’s support for the socially disadvantaged. Just the OP. > [@](#): > > [And it’s interesting that dating and relationships, more than almost anything else, makes people throw their political viewpoints out the window. > > The same liberals who argue passionately for “equal opportunity” and “non-discrimination” are quick to argue passionately\* in favor of \*discrimination and \*against \*equal opportunity in relationships (why should they have to give all suitors and prospects equal opportunity?); and the same conservatives who preach the virtues of meritocracy may be dismayed if it turns out that, in dating and relationships, \*they \*themselves are not considered particularly attractive . > Dating makes hypocrites of us all, I guess… This would seem to indicate that you might also subscribe to a system of “sexual affirmative action” in relationships, although you are using “equality”. Interesting. Kind of makes me queasy, but interesting. The way the world is set up, what is preventing those people from approaching the person they desire to have coffee with, say, and asking for that time. If the dating scene is the rough equivalent of the interview process, aren’t most interested parties out there all of the time interacting with equal opportunity, if they choose to do so? How would a more affirmative dating environment work? Do all women/men/people have to say yes to all men/women/people? (See, this is where the queasiness was creeping in.) How exactly would you align politics with dating? Actually, I’m not entirely sure that I see your inconsistencies at all, but curious to how you think the system ought to work. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-a-fat-woman-gets-to-see-a-short-guy-as-equivalent-a-form-of-sexual-affirmative-action/758108/96 "2016-06-23T18:31:31Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Hmmm. If he is, then I retract my comment too. No he has said he is short, himself. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19314224&postcount=324](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19314224&postcount=324) ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-a-fat-woman-gets-to-see-a-short-guy-as-equivalent-a-form-of-sexual-affirmative-action/758108/97 "2016-06-23T18:44:19Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Tyrion Lannister got all the mad action he could handle (first few season, anyway). I suggest the OP try being richer, funnier and/or drunker. They were all whores, though, as far as I recall. Nobody gave him a pity-fuck (which seems to be what the OP is looking for). ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-a-fat-woman-gets-to-see-a-short-guy-as-equivalent-a-form-of-sexual-affirmative-action/758108/98 "2016-06-23T18:45:45Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > This thread is less than 2 pages. Any thread where a similar topic comes up will have comments that would be absolutely unacceptable about other physical aspects of a person. You seem to be unfamiliar with the concept of sarcasm. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-a-fat-woman-gets-to-see-a-short-guy-as-equivalent-a-form-of-sexual-affirmative-action/758108/99 "2016-06-23T18:46:20Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > They were all whores, though, as far as I recall. Nobody gave him a pity-fuck (which seems to be what the OP is looking for). Well, problem solved! Whores it is, then! ---
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-a-fat-woman-gets-to-see-a-short-guy-as-equivalent-a-form-of-sexual-affirmative-action/758108/100 "2016-06-23T19:00:45Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > But what is “sexual affirmative action” supposed to mean? I’m not expert, but isn’t that when you scream “YES YES JUST LIKE THAT YES YES YES” during sexy time? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-a-fat-woman-gets-to-see-a-short-guy-as-equivalent-a-form-of-sexual-affirmative-action/758108.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-a-fat-woman-gets-to-see-a-short-guy-as-equivalent-a-form-of-sexual-affirmative-action/758108.md?page=6)