# Is That TB Guy The Biggest Asshole Ever, Or What? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 31, 2007, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-tb-guy-the-biggest-asshole-ever-or-what/406240 "2007-05-31T20:49:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Lush\_Puppy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@Lush\_Puppy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lush_Puppy)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2007, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-tb-guy-the-biggest-asshole-ever-or-what/406240/261 "2007-06-02T17:18:39Z")
[QUOTE=Capatalist Lion Tamer] What the fuck are you talking about? I said in my first post that I hardly have any contact with him. I didn’t know his last name until he showed up on the news. [/QUOTE] I was under the impression that you knew him well enough to know he wasn’t evil. Apparently, you don’t know him that well enough at all. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Capatalist\_Lion\_Tamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/71c47a/32.png) [@Capatalist\_Lion\_Tamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capatalist_Lion_Tamer)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2007, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-tb-guy-the-biggest-asshole-ever-or-what/406240/262 "2007-06-02T17:19:33Z")
[QUOTE=Lush Puppy] I was under the impression that you knew him well enough to know he wasn’t evil. Apparently, you don’t know him that well enough at all. :rolleyes: [/QUOTE] I have no control over your impressions. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2007, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-tb-guy-the-biggest-asshole-ever-or-what/406240/263 "2007-06-02T17:41:38Z")
[QUOTE=Capatalist Lion Tamer] Thanks. I’ve been lurking since about 2000 (I may have even been a poster back when it was free, I don’t remember). I thought I’d give it a whirl & think about plunking down the 15 bucks, but I’m finding that I enjoy the arguments & discussions a bit more when I’m not a part of them. My wife is 9 months pregnant, yet I found myself thinking about this thread last night lying in the bed. Maybe this posting thing isn’t for me. [/QUOTE] FWIW, I think you’re a pretty reasonable poster. You’re able to defend an unpopular position in the Pit without melting down. I think you’d be an asset to the boards. ---
**Author:** ![Lush\_Puppy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@Lush\_Puppy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lush_Puppy)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2007, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-tb-guy-the-biggest-asshole-ever-or-what/406240/264 "2007-06-02T17:41:55Z")
[QUOTE=Capatalist Lion Tamer] I’m most certainly not defending everything he did, **I just refuse to believe the guy is as evil as everyone is dying to believe. Having met him, I know that he isn’t.** [/QUOTE] I’m citing your own post, in bold for your convenience. You don’t know him that well enough to know if he’s evil. You barely know him, I think is a more accurate statement. ---
**Author:** ![Capatalist\_Lion\_Tamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/71c47a/32.png) [@Capatalist\_Lion\_Tamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capatalist_Lion_Tamer)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2007, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-tb-guy-the-biggest-asshole-ever-or-what/406240/265 "2007-06-02T17:58:02Z")
[QUOTE=Capatalist Lion Tamer] I just found out that this is a guy who lives in my Townhouse complex, about 100 feet away. News trucks have recently started to arrive, though I imagine they leave & come back when he comes home from Denver. I’m really glad that I don’t know the guy very well right about now. [/QUOTE] Like this? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2007, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-tb-guy-the-biggest-asshole-ever-or-what/406240/266 "2007-06-02T18:06:27Z")
Come on, he’s not gonna be tarred and feathered. The other passengers will test negative for TB, and this will all be forgotten in a few months. ---
**Author:** ![Zabali\_Clawbane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/ecd19e/32.png) [@Zabali\_Clawbane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zabali_Clawbane)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2007, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-tb-guy-the-biggest-asshole-ever-or-what/406240/267 "2007-06-02T18:15:47Z")
[QUOTE=bobkitty] \ **did he at least wear a mask?** [/QUOTE] I believe I read that he did not, because he didn’t want to feel like a freak/call attention to himself. I am not one hundred percent positive of my source, if it was an article (and where they got that info) or if it was a Doper who’d seen an interview or what. ETA: **brazil84** , we _hope_ that is the case, but stranger things have happened. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2007, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-tb-guy-the-biggest-asshole-ever-or-what/406240/268 "2007-06-02T18:17:43Z")
[QUOTE=brazil84] The other passengers will test negative for TB, and this will all be forgotten in a few months. [/QUOTE] You realize that, if true, this will be dumb luck, right? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2007, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-tb-guy-the-biggest-asshole-ever-or-what/406240/269 "2007-06-02T18:30:09Z")
[QUOTE=spooje] You realize that, if true, this will be dumb luck, right? [/QUOTE] It’s also dumb luck if your plane doesn’t crash. If the guy was such a big hazzard, why wasn’t he put on the no-fly list pending completion of his tests? I would imagine that even a less drug-resistant strain of TB could pose a hazzard to young children; the elderly; or people who are immuno-compromised. ---
**Author:** ![Capatalist\_Lion\_Tamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/71c47a/32.png) [@Capatalist\_Lion\_Tamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capatalist_Lion_Tamer)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2007, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-tb-guy-the-biggest-asshole-ever-or-what/406240/270 "2007-06-02T18:31:36Z")
[QUOTE=spooje] You realize that, if true, this will be dumb luck, right? [/QUOTE] He isn’t particularly contagious, from what I’ve read. I’m not sure it would be dumb luck, but we may hear that he was more contagious than was previously thought. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2007, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-tb-guy-the-biggest-asshole-ever-or-what/406240/271 "2007-06-02T18:39:18Z")
> [@](#): > > Not as usually defined, but you certainly could pick it up from kissing an infected person, and most people engage in spit-swapping as part of sexual intercourse. True, but the quote I was responding to raised a question about how rough sex would have to be in order to transmit TB (paraphrase). It doesn’t matter how rough the sex is–that relates to blood borne pathogens such as HIV or HBV. ---
**Author:** ![Zabali\_Clawbane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/ecd19e/32.png) [@Zabali\_Clawbane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zabali_Clawbane)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2007, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-tb-guy-the-biggest-asshole-ever-or-what/406240/272 "2007-06-02T18:52:47Z")
[QUOTE=brazil84] It’s also dumb luck if your plane doesn’t crash. If the guy was such a big hazzard, why wasn’t he put on the no-fly list pending completion of his tests? I would imagine that even a less drug-resistant strain of TB could pose a hazzard to young children; the elderly; or people who are immuno-compromised. [/QUOTE] That would be why he was told not to go out of his house, to wear a mask, and not to travel, wouldn’t it? Telling the patient such things has been shown to be routine procedure by more than one Doper who has posted to this thread. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2007, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-tb-guy-the-biggest-asshole-ever-or-what/406240/273 "2007-06-02T18:56:38Z")
[QUOTE=Zabali\_Clawbane] That would be why he was told not to go out of his house, to wear a mask, and not to travel, wouldn’t it? [/quote] He claims that he was told early on that he wasn’t contagious. ---
**Author:** ![Zabali\_Clawbane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/ecd19e/32.png) [@Zabali\_Clawbane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zabali_Clawbane)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2007, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-tb-guy-the-biggest-asshole-ever-or-what/406240/274 "2007-06-02T19:02:06Z")
[QUOTE=brazil84] He claims that he was told early on that he wasn’t contagious. [/QUOTE] Yes, _HE_ claims this, but as I said, others have shown that this is not normal procedure for such cases. We have the word not only of the CDC, but also people who corroberate this via their recountings in this topic. They have added weight to the idea that the CDC is the more truthful in this matter. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2007, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-tb-guy-the-biggest-asshole-ever-or-what/406240/275 "2007-06-02T19:06:11Z")
[QUOTE=Zabali\_Clawbane] We have the word not only of the CDC, [/quote] No we don’t. The CDC simply said that his statement was “not accurate,” apparently without elaborating. They also objected to his apparent taping of their conversations. To me, this means that he’s probably in the right on that point. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2007, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-tb-guy-the-biggest-asshole-ever-or-what/406240/276 "2007-06-02T19:06:54Z")
[QUOTE=brazil84] It’s also dumb luck if your plane doesn’t crash. [/QUOTE] As far as I’m aware, planes are _specifically designed **not** to crash._ Perhaps **ElvisL1ves** could correct me if I’m wrong on that. If true however, that makes it **not** dumb luck when your plane doesn’t crash. On the other hand, **TBGuy** specifically took **no** precautions to ensure the safety of his fellow passengers. In that case, the only thing protecting those flyers _is_ dumb luck. ---
**Author:** ![Zabali\_Clawbane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/ecd19e/32.png) [@Zabali\_Clawbane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zabali_Clawbane)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2007, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-tb-guy-the-biggest-asshole-ever-or-what/406240/277 "2007-06-02T19:07:57Z")
I’m fairly certain that if taken to court, the CDC will produce signed papers, that will be shown to contain his signature, and be proven not to be forgaries. ETA: The above is in response to **brazil84**. ETA2: These papers will show that he, by signing them admits he was told the information outlined on the papers, which most likely will include all the precautions he was told to take. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2007, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-tb-guy-the-biggest-asshole-ever-or-what/406240/278 "2007-06-02T19:21:30Z")
[QUOTE=Zabali\_Clawbane] I’m fairly certain that if taken to court, the CDC will produce signed papers, that will be shown to contain his signature, and be proven not to be forgaries. ETA: The above is in response to **brazil84**. [/quote] Papers that show he was told in no uncertain terms not to travel before he left the US? Papers that show he was told to wear a mask? ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2007, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-tb-guy-the-biggest-asshole-ever-or-what/406240/279 "2007-06-02T19:23:30Z")
[QUOTE=brazil84] He claims that he was told early on that he wasn’t contagious. [/QUOTE] What part of: He continued to be tested because he could have (1) become contagious at any time; (2) was found out to, because of continued testing, have a turbo-TB strain, which, if he became contagious, would be a world of trouble for those who _he chose to expose_ not knowing whether or not he had moved into the contagious stage; and (3) was strongly advised not to fly, before he left the country, _and_ to cover his mouth\*, if he even left the house\*, even though he wasn’t contagious, becasue there were obviously concerns that he (i) could become contagious to others; and (ii) had every possibility of becoming potentially more dangerous, are you not getting? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2007, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-tb-guy-the-biggest-asshole-ever-or-what/406240/280 "2007-06-02T19:24:48Z")
[QUOTE=Squink] As far as I’m aware, planes are _specifically designed **not** to crash._ Perhaps **ElvisL1ves** could correct me if I’m wrong on that. If true however, that makes it **not** dumb luck when your plane doesn’t crash. On the other hand, **TBGuy** specifically took **no** precautions to ensure the safety of his fellow passengers. In that case, the only thing protecting those flyers _is_ dumb luck. [/QUOTE] Planes are designed to go where the controls tell them to go. If the pilot decides he wants to fly the plane into a building, there’s a pretty good chance he will succeed in crashing the plane. Cite: > **[September 11 attacks](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_attacks)** > > The September 11 attacks,\[f\] colloquially known as 9/11,\[g\] were a coordinated series of suicide attacks perpetrated by the Islamic terrorist organization al-Qaeda against the United States in 2001. 19 terrorists hijacked four airliners, then flew one into each of the Twin Towers at the World Trade Center in New York City. The third plane crashed into the Pentagon, the headquarters of the United States Department of Defense, in Arlington County, Virginia. The fourth plane crashed in a rural P... [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-tb-guy-the-biggest-asshole-ever-or-what/406240.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-tb-guy-the-biggest-asshole-ever-or-what/406240.md?page=15)