# Is That TB Guy The Biggest Asshole Ever, Or What? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 31, 2007, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-tb-guy-the-biggest-asshole-ever-or-what/406240 "2007-05-31T20:49:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 42
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-tb-guy-the-biggest-asshole-ever-or-what/406240/821 "2007-06-09T02:47:17Z")
[QUOTE=Kokopilau] Your pretending I’ve lied got old several pages ago. [/quote] Ahhhh, **Kokopilau** tells another lie. (If anyone is following this exchange, note that a few pages back, **Kokopilau** falsely claimed that Speaker was promised a plane by the CDC in a few days.) Post 569: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8656124&postcount=569](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8656124&postcount=569) ---
**Author:** ![Kokopilau](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Kokopilau](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kokopilau)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-tb-guy-the-biggest-asshole-ever-or-what/406240/822 "2007-06-09T02:55:02Z")
[QUOTE=brazil84] I don’t know. Now how about you answer my question: I’ll repeat for you: [/QUOTE] No. Now explain what it has to do with what happened to Speaker. > [@](#): > > Ok, since you seem to know what “what if” means, you must know that I was not actually claiming that the conversation I described took place. > > So why did you characterize it as an assertion? Because you made the positive claim that your little story had just as much evidence. So give some or shut your slobbery gob. > [@](#): > > Please show me what I said that you think requires a cite. Don’t lie. Just use the quote feature. By your command, oh sovereign of stupidity. > [@](#): > > However, there’s just as much evidence for the scenario I presented as there is for your own flights of fancy. I’ve given cites for my “scenario”. If yours has just as much evidence, you can provide just as many cites. So do it, you screaming eedjit. > [@](#): > > Ahhhh, Kokopilau tells another lie. > > (If anyone is following this exchange, note that a few pages back, Kokopilau falsely claimed that Speaker was promised a plane by the CDC in a few days.) No, I explained that when I wrote what I did, statements had been made to that effect by the CDC, and later new evidence was revealed AFTER I made my post which showed that not to be the whole case. That’s not a lie. You’re just an asshole. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-tb-guy-the-biggest-asshole-ever-or-what/406240/823 "2007-06-09T03:03:39Z")
[QUOTE=Kokopilau] No. Now explain what it has to do with what happened to Speaker. [/quote] Earlier, I said the following: > [@](#): > > Ok, so if CDC had told him to chug some draino, and he disobeyed, then he’s an asshole. Here was your response: > [@](#): > > They wouldn’t have told him that. I assume that you are saying – in effect – that the CDC would never instruct somebody to do something harmful to themself. Do I have you right? Or did I misunderstand somehow? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-tb-guy-the-biggest-asshole-ever-or-what/406240/824 "2007-06-09T03:05:51Z")
[QUOTE=Kokopilau] I’ve given cites for my “scenario”. If yours has just as much evidence, you can provide just as many cites. [/quote] The exact same cites as for yours. > [@](#): > > No, I explained that when I wrote what I did, statements had been made to that effect by the CDC, Then show me those statements. If you show me an early statement by the CDC that it promised Speaker a plane within a few days, I will retract my claim that you are a liar. ---
**Author:** ![Kokopilau](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Kokopilau](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kokopilau)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-tb-guy-the-biggest-asshole-ever-or-what/406240/825 "2007-06-09T03:14:26Z")
[QUOTE=brazil84] I assume that you are saying – in effect – that the CDC would never instruct somebody to do something harmful to themself. Do I have you right? Or did I misunderstand somehow? [/QUOTE] Yes. Unless you really think they would have told him to drink Drano, I think I can safely say that they wouldn’t have told them to drink Drano. Ya simpering sap. > [@](#): > > The exact same cites as for yours. Oh, really, ya blustering buffoon? Quote where they agree with your scenario. > [@](#): > > Then show me those statements. If you show me an early statement by the CDC that it promised Speaker a plane within a few days, I will retract my claim that you are a liar. I did the first time you made a big deal out of this, ya pulsating prick. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-tb-guy-the-biggest-asshole-ever-or-what/406240/826 "2007-06-09T03:18:08Z")
[QUOTE=Kokopilau] Yes. Unless you really think they would have told him to drink Drano, I think I can safely say that they wouldn’t have told them to drink Drano. [/quote] Ok, I will try to find an example of a government agency or doctor advising somebody to do something harmful to themself. > [@](#): > > Quote where they agree with your scenario. > [@](#): > > On both May 22nd and 23rd, HHS/CDC spoke with the patient in Rome, Italy, and informed him of his XDR TB diagnosis; explained the severity of the disease; instructed him to terminate all travel and to cease use of commercial air carriers; and initiated conversations about the need for isolation, treatment and travel alternatives," Gerberding said in written testimony." > [@](#): > > I did the first time you made a big deal out of this, ya pulsating prick. Oh really? In which post did you quote something from the CDC indicating that Speaker was advised they would have a plane for him in a few days? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-tb-guy-the-biggest-asshole-ever-or-what/406240/827 "2007-06-09T03:23:22Z")
And by the way, I fully concede that it’s impossible to tell from the quote whether the person who discussed “isolation” with Speaker was a doctor or a low level beaurocrat. I also concede that it’s impossible to tell from the quote what exactly was discussed about isolation. That’s the whole point. ---
**Author:** ![Kokopilau](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Kokopilau](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kokopilau)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-tb-guy-the-biggest-asshole-ever-or-what/406240/828 "2007-06-09T03:27:06Z")
[QUOTE=brazil84] And by the way, I fully concede that it’s impossible to tell from the quote whether the person who discussed “isolation” with Speaker was a doctor or a low level beaurocrat. I also concede that it’s impossible to tell from the quote what exactly was discussed about isolation. [/QUOTE] No, the only person ever named as talking to Speaker while in Rome was Dr. Kim. > [@](#): > > That’s the whole point. Just like the one at the top of your head. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-tb-guy-the-biggest-asshole-ever-or-what/406240/829 "2007-06-09T03:29:03Z")
[QUOTE=Kokopilau] No, the only person ever named as talking to Speaker while in Rome was Dr. Kim. [/quote] So the only person from CDC who spoke to Speaker while he was in Italy was Dr. Kim? Or that was the only person who was named? ---
**Author:** ![Kokopilau](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Kokopilau](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kokopilau)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-tb-guy-the-biggest-asshole-ever-or-what/406240/830 "2007-06-09T03:30:37Z")
[QUOTE=brazil84] So the only person from CDC who spoke to Speaker while he was in Italy was Dr. Kim? Or that was the only person who was named? [/QUOTE] If you think someone else spoke with him, find a cite naming him or her. Ya quivering queef. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-tb-guy-the-biggest-asshole-ever-or-what/406240/831 "2007-06-09T03:34:57Z")
[QUOTE=Kokopilau] If you think someone else spoke with him, find a cite naming him or her. [/quote] I have no idea if anyone else spoke to him. All I am saying is that the scenario I presented is consistent with the cite you provided. And I’m still waiting to learn which post has you quoting the CDC as promising Speaker a plane in a few days. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-tb-guy-the-biggest-asshole-ever-or-what/406240/832 "2007-06-09T04:26:27Z")
[QUOTE=Kokopilau] Ya quivering queef. [/QUOTE] 😃 That’s the best one yet. You I’m sure have noticed that the more you demolish this twit’s arguments, the more it falls back on flailing about, devising ever more ludicrous scenarios and accusing you of lying? It’s pretty much at the foot-stamping and la-la-la-I-can’t-HEAR-you stage. Props also to **Jodi** (another collection of cogent, incisive posts – damn but I envy you your skill, ma’am!), **stretch** (well-said), and the others who’ve contributed thoughtful posts – including **Capatalist** , who, while I disagree with the bulk of his analyses, has at least endeavored to stay within the realm of the likely rather than wandering off into Drano-gulping gibberings. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-tb-guy-the-biggest-asshole-ever-or-what/406240/833 "2007-06-09T12:43:43Z")
[QUOTE=EddyTeddyFreddy] 😃 accusing you of lying? [/QUOTE] So you think that **Kokopilau** claim in post 569 was accurate based on what he knew at the time? Here’s the exchange: Me: > [@](#): > > If they had said “Sit tight. Don’t leave your hotel room - we’ll have a plane for you in 48 hours,” that would have changed things considerably. **Kokopilau** : > [@](#): > > They did…they told him it would take a few days, but that wasn’t good enough for him. He wanted them to pay for a private charter, or arrange military transport. And later . . . **Kokopilau** : > [@](#): > > No, I explained that when I wrote what I did, statements had been made to that effect by the CDC, and later new evidence was revealed AFTER I made my post which showed that not to be the whole case. Ok, so what exactly are these CDC “statements” to the effect that Speaker was promised a plane in a few days? Care to provide a link to them? To quote them? ---
**Author:** ![Kokopilau](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Kokopilau](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kokopilau)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-tb-guy-the-biggest-asshole-ever-or-what/406240/834 "2007-06-09T16:13:40Z")
Your stalkerish obsession about this is so adorable. No, wait…not adorable. What’s the word I’m looking for? Pathetic! That’s it! Your stalker obsession with this is so pathetic. [QUOTE=brazil84] Ok, so what exactly are these CDC “statements” to the effect that Speaker was promised a plane in a few days? [/QUOTE] The ones where they said “we were discussing options with the patient” and “we were hesitant to send the plane until we could work everything out with the patient and with Italian medical authorities.” > [@](#): > > Care to provide a link to them? To quote them? The link is in the posts. Though you’ve accused me of being a liar about providing cites in the VERY POST YOU REPLY TO WHERE I’VE GIVEN THOSE CITES before, so I’m not surprised that you somehow miraculously have managed to miss that in those posts this time, too. Ya blubbering boob. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-tb-guy-the-biggest-asshole-ever-or-what/406240/835 "2007-06-09T16:19:55Z")
[QUOTE=Kokopilau] The ones where they said “we were discussing options with the patient” and “we were hesitant to send the plane until we could work everything out with the patient and with Italian medical authorities.” [/quote] Do you honestly believe that’s the same thing as promising Speaker a plane in a few days? ---
**Author:** ![Kokopilau](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Kokopilau](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kokopilau)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-tb-guy-the-biggest-asshole-ever-or-what/406240/836 "2007-06-09T16:30:55Z")
[QUOTE=brazil84] Do you honestly believe that’s the same thing as promising Speaker a plane in a few days? [/QUOTE] If I did and I was wrong, and acknowledge my error later (unlike you, who masks your multiple errors by flailing about and impugning me) is that the same as knowing it’s not and deliberately lying about it? (The answer for the record, is “no”, you dithering douche.) ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-tb-guy-the-biggest-asshole-ever-or-what/406240/837 "2007-06-09T16:38:40Z")
[QUOTE=Kokopilau] If I did and I was wrong, and acknowledge my error later . . . is that the same as knowing it’s not and deliberately lying about it? [/quote] Depends on the circumstances. Here, you DIDN’T say (until now) that you misread or misinterpreted something the CDC put out. Here’s what you did claim: > [@](#): > > No, I explained that when I wrote what I did, **statements had been made to that effect by the CDC** , and later new evidence was revealed AFTER I made my post which showed that not to be the whole case. This was wrong, and was well after you had plenty of time to review your own posts and relevant news articles. So my conclusion is that you deliberately lied. > [@](#): > > unlike you, who masks your multiple errors by flailing about and impugning me I have a feeling that these “errors” are just you deliberately misinterpreting my posts. But please – go ahead and quote my “errors.” And please use the quote feature. That way, you are less likely to make an “error.” ---
**Author:** ![Kokopilau](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Kokopilau](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kokopilau)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-tb-guy-the-biggest-asshole-ever-or-what/406240/838 "2007-06-09T17:22:38Z")
[QUOTE=brazil84] Depends on the circumstances. Here, you DIDN’T say (until now) that you misread or misinterpreted something the CDC put out. [/QUOTE] No, that’s pretty much what I said. > [@](#): > > This was wrong, and was well after you had plenty of time to review your own posts and relevant news articles. So my conclusion is that you deliberately lied. “To that effect” kinda means “those exact words weren’t spoken, but they seemed to say that”. Ya dipsomaniacal dipstick. > [@](#): > > I have a feeling that these “errors” are just you deliberately misinterpreting my posts. But please – go ahead and quote my “errors.” And please use the quote feature. That way, you are less likely to make an “error.” Sure. In post 808 I said "So, I give you a link to the head of the CDC saying “A doctor called Speaker in Rome and talked about medical isolation with him” And in post 812 you said “You gave me no such link.” And yet, WAAAAAAY back in post 657, which was made almost a full 24 hours before you tried to pull the above sad-sack rejection of reality, I had provided [this link](http://ca.today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=uri:2007-06-06T193313Z_01_N06396615_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-TUBERCULOSIS-USA-COL.XML&pageNumber=1&summit=), which has Dr. Julie Gerberding, the head of the CDC (just as I said), saying, and I quote, “On both May 22nd and 23rd, HHS/CDC spoke with the patient in Rome, Italy, […] and initiated conversations about the need for isolation.” The only person named as talking with Speaker at ALL was Dr. David Kim. YOUR the one who speculates that it might be some low-level drone, which no cite anywhere says. So…that’s two links for me, and none for you. Git. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-tb-guy-the-biggest-asshole-ever-or-what/406240/839 "2007-06-09T18:00:15Z")
[QUOTE=Kokopilau] No, that’s pretty much what I said. [/quote] No it isn’t. :Yawn: > [@](#): > > “To that effect” kinda means “those exact words weren’t spoken, but they seemed to say that”. So you’re only kinda a liar? Whatever. > [@](#): > > The only person named as talking with Speaker at ALL was Dr. David Kim. YOUR the one who speculates that it might be some low-level drone, Sure. We don’t know one way or another. That’s why I’m not claiming that Dr. Kim never spoke to Speaker about isolation. And why I don’t need to offer a cite. See, if I’m not making a certain claim, I don’t need to back it up with a cite. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-tb-guy-the-biggest-asshole-ever-or-what/406240/840 "2007-06-09T18:06:38Z")
[QUOTE=brazil84] Sure. We don’t know one way or another. That’s why I’m not claiming that Dr. Kim never spoke to Speaker about isolation. And why I don’t need to offer a cite. See, if I’m not making a certain claim, I don’t need to back it up with a cite. [/QUOTE] On the other hand, YOU made a specific claim – that a doctor spoke to Speaker about isolation. Your cite didn’t say what you claim it said – you had to add your own speculation. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-tb-guy-the-biggest-asshole-ever-or-what/406240.md?page=41) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-that-tb-guy-the-biggest-asshole-ever-or-what/406240.md?page=43)