# Is the Bible pretty much fatally flawed? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 3, 2009, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-bible-pretty-much-fatally-flawed/491852 "2009-04-03T13:54:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-bible-pretty-much-fatally-flawed/491852/41 "2009-04-03T20:51:06Z")
> [@Icerigger](#): > > This is a good argument used by Catholic apologists. Since the Bible is so contradictory you need one infallible authority to proclaim what it all means. If you don’t have that authority all you will get is hundreds of splinter groups that believe theirs is the one true interpretation. Which is exactly what happened. Well, maybe for a little while, but schisms within the Church were commonplace and then there was that whole Reformation thing… ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-bible-pretty-much-fatally-flawed/491852/42 "2009-04-03T20:52:27Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Judas was a devil: > And there are many devils out there today as well. > > It was not remorse, but fear of being the demon who brought down Satan’s Kingdom. Wouldn’t you try to undo that before returning to Hell. > **[Matthew 1](https://netbible.org/)** > > The NET Bible, from bible.org …regarding John 6:70, both the construction in Greek and the technical use of διάβολος (diabolos) indicate that the one devil is in view. To object to the translation “the devil” because it thus equates Judas with Satan does not take into consideration that Jesus often spoke figuratively (e.g., “destroy this temple” [John 2:19]; “he [John the Baptist] is Elijah” [Matt 11:14]), even equating Peter with the devil on one occasion (Mark 8:33). According to ExSyn 249, “A curious phenomenon has occurred in the English Bible with reference to one particular monadic noun, διάβολος. The KJV translates both διάβολος and δαιμόνιον as ‘devil.’ Thus in the AV translators’ minds, ‘devil’ was not a monadic noun. Modern translations have correctly rendered δαιμόνιον as ‘demon’ and have, for the most part, recognized that διάβολος is monadic (cf., e.g., 1 Pet 5:8; Rev 20:2). But in John 6:70 modern translations have fallen into the error of the King James translators. The KJV has ‘one of you is a devil.’ So does the RSV, NRSV, ASV, NIV, NKJV, and the JB [Jerusalem Bible]. Yet there is only one devil…The legacy of the KJV still lives on, then, even in places where it ought not.” 120 sn At least six explanations for the name Iscariot have been proposed, but it is probably transliterated Hebrew with the meaning “man of Kerioth” (there are at least two villages that had that name). See D. A. Carson, John, 304. Could it be a problem with translating from one language to another and then to another? Was Peter a devil too? Was there one Devil or many devils? I prefer to not rely on the KJV. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-bible-pretty-much-fatally-flawed/491852/43 "2009-04-03T20:56:12Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > No, it doesn’t. In fact, if you look _closely_ at it, it testifies to the truth of evolution and a billions-of-years-old earth and numerous other things you disbelieve. Contrary to popular delusion, all that science _is_ is looking outside the window and studying what the world is testifying about. And man’s study of God’s creation is fundamentally seriously and fatally flawed as pointed out in the very instructions that God who created everything tells us. > [@](#): > > :dubious: Explain. (Or are you just hoping to get crucified by a wandering pharisee?) Men, demons and God are ‘gods’ in a general sense, with the ability to create life, create reality and be worshiped. God Himself declares this. > [@](#): > > Of course you realize that if you use obedience as a measure of whether you should believe something, and that includes obedience to the order to believe utterly, then you will end up obediently believing _anything_. Like you do when you study science. God is very different, as He will show you, again if you let Him. > [@](#): > > Oh, wait, you _don’t_ realize this. Because if you allowed yourself to, you’d realize that your beliefs are _demonstrably_ no more supported than a satanist’s are. God states otherwise, if you don’t mind I’ll go with God > [@](#): > > Oh, and Jesus meant that _Peter_ was a devil, not Judas. What, you disagree? Prove it. The next verse: [QUOTE=John 6] 71(He meant Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot, who, though one of the Twelve, was later to betray him.) [/QUOTE] > [@](#): > > Regarding the flawed nature of the bible, it’s pretty flawed by _any_ measure - if you take the whole book. In individual parts it’s half-decent poetry, fiction, or in sparing places history. As a whole…well, it’s unsurprising that a collection of disparate works by authors widely spaced in time would lack a cohesive narrative. > > And for a source of truth or accuracy…or even guidance or morality…you’d be better off with Tolkien. If you are taught in the ways of the world I agree it would appear to one that what you state is true. God is willing to teach us the truth, instead of the lies that man calls facts. ---
**Author:** ![hotflungwok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/edb3f5/32.png) [@hotflungwok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hotflungwok)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-bible-pretty-much-fatally-flawed/491852/44 "2009-04-03T20:56:13Z")
And **kanicbird** drives another thread right into the ground, using nothing more than his boundless skill at mistaking belief for fact. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-bible-pretty-much-fatally-flawed/491852/45 "2009-04-03T21:01:20Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > You may not have meant to, but that’s what you did. I did no such thing. Go back and read each word, then put them together into a complete sentence. Sound them out if you have to. There is no apology or excuse in there. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-bible-pretty-much-fatally-flawed/491852/46 "2009-04-03T21:04:03Z")
> [@hotflungwok](#): > > And **kanicbird** drives another thread right into the ground, using nothing more than his boundless skill at mistaking belief for fact. Is it “mistake”? Or is it deliberate? Meh whatever. I know what I believe. I know what I don’t believe. Maybe I should just let it be. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-bible-pretty-much-fatally-flawed/491852/47 "2009-04-03T21:11:31Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > … > > Could it be a problem with translating from one language to another and then to another? In short No, man is not capable of this as the Word is God. There are fallen angels that have taken human bodies, I believe this scripture speaks to that: [QUOTE=Jude 1:6] 6And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. [/QUOTE] I believe the above was revealed by the Holy Spirit as: Jude 1:6 (New International Version) 6And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority (in the heavenly places) but abandoned their own home (spiritual body and dwelling place, to be born into human bodies)—these he has kept in darkness (demons don’t know they are demons, but they have their demonic nature), bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day (they can not figure out they are demons until revealed by the great and terrible day of the Lord). For Judas is it said: > [@](#): > > Matthew 26:24 > The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him. But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born." It is that it would have been better for him if he never became human, but remained a demon in a spiritual body. > [@](#): > > Was Peter a devil too? Was there one Devil or many devils? Scripture can not be broken (John 10:35), and Jesus clearly states only one is a devil. Peter, before receiving the Holy Spirit was a bit prideful IMHO trying to do the Lord’s work in his own strength, as such he gave the devil a foothold (Eph 4:27), Satan gained control of part of Peter through Peter’s pride. > [@](#): > > I prefer to not rely on the KJV. That is your choice, the scriptures speak to the mind while the Word speaks to the heart. I don’t particularly like the KJV due to old English style myself. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-bible-pretty-much-fatally-flawed/491852/48 "2009-04-03T21:21:33Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > And man’s study of God’s creation is fundamentally seriously and fatally flawed as pointed out in the very instructions that God who created everything tells us. Well, _one_ of those two things is fatally flawed… (Ooh, on-topic comment!) > [@kanicbird](#): > > Men, demons and God are ‘gods’ in a general sense, with the ability to create life, create reality and be worshiped. God Himself declares this. Ah. FYI, nobody uses that ‘general sense’. Words have, like, meaning and stuff. > [@kanicbird](#): > > Like you do when you study science. God is very different, as He will show you, again if you let Him. You don’t know the first thing about studying science. Heck, I’m surprised you can spell it! And do you know what the difference is between “Follow my instructions - I instruct you to believe in me - and if you follow my instructions, you’ll believe in me” and “Follow my instructions - I instruct you to believe in me - and if you follow my instructions, you’ll believe in me - and this is _totally_ different from when you stupidly believe in _other_ things contrary to evidence just because they said to believe in them?” > [@kanicbird](#): > > God states otherwise, if you don’t mind I’ll go with God. “Hi! I’m the bible, and I was written by God. You know it’s true because I just said so. I’m also not lying. You can know that’s true because I just said _that_ too, and you know it wasn’t a lie, because I was written by God, and he doesn’t lie! Trust me! And remember - there’s nothing circular at all about this logic. (You know it’s true because I’m not lying - I said so!) Oh, and I state otherwise.” I don’t mind if you go with that-which-you-have-decided-is-God. If I minded every irrational thing somebody on the internet said or did, I’d go insane! Nothing. > [@kanicbird](#): > > The next verse: Ah, well, that’s not a quote from Jesus, now, is it? That’s just the author’s opinion. Not to say it’s a real surprise, given that all the disciples (and their followers) were probably pretty pissed off at Judas - but that’s no proof that it’s a _correct_ interpretation on their part. > [@kanicbird](#): > > If you are taught in the ways of the world I agree it would appear to one that what you state is true. God is willing to teach us the truth, instead of the lies that man calls facts. The word “truth” has meaning too, you know. It’s not “whatever opinions **kanicbird** has thought up.” ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-bible-pretty-much-fatally-flawed/491852/49 "2009-04-03T21:22:16Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > [http://net.bible.org/bible.php?book=Joh&chapter=6#n119](http://net.bible.org/bible.php?book=Joh&chapter=6#n119) > …regarding John 6:70, both the construction in Greek and the technical use of διάβολος (diabolos) indicate that the one devil is in view. To object to the translation “the devil” because it thus equates Judas with Satan does not take into consideration that Jesus often spoke figuratively (e.g., “destroy this temple” [John 2:19]; “he [John the Baptist] is Elijah” [Matt 11:14]), even equating Peter with the devil on one occasion (Mark 8:33). According to ExSyn 249, “A curious phenomenon has occurred in the English Bible with reference to one particular monadic noun, διάβολος. The KJV translates both διάβολος and δαιμόνιον as ‘devil.’ Thus in the AV translators’ minds, ‘devil’ was not a monadic noun. Modern translations have correctly rendered δαιμόνιον as ‘demon’ and have, for the most part, recognized that διάβολος is monadic (cf., e.g., 1 Pet 5:8; Rev 20:2). But in John 6:70 modern translations have fallen into the error of the King James translators. The KJV has ‘one of you is a devil.’ So does the RSV, NRSV, ASV, NIV, NKJV, and the JB [Jerusalem Bible]. Yet there is only one devil…The legacy of the KJV still lives on, then, even in places where it ought not.” John the Baptist is Elijah, it is not figurative at all, the exact same soul of Elijah is the soul of John the Baptist. Also the temple was destroyed, totally useless as a temple from that point on, every part of it has been thrown down. The new temple is the body of Christ, which is in every believer. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-bible-pretty-much-fatally-flawed/491852/50 "2009-04-03T21:24:44Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > 6And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority (in the heavenly places) but abandoned their own home (spiritual body and dwelling place, to be born into human bodies)—these he has kept in darkness (demons don’t know they are demons, but they have their demonic nature), bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day (they can not figure out they are demons until revealed by the great and terrible day of the Lord). Nice of you to parenthsize the parts you were _making up whole cloth._ ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-bible-pretty-much-fatally-flawed/491852/51 "2009-04-03T21:38:01Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > Oh, and Jesus meant that _Peter_ was a devil, not Judas. What, you disagree? Prove it. \*International Standard Version (©2008) But turning and looking at his disciples, Jesus rebuked Peter, saying, “Get behind me, Satan, because you’re not thinking God’s thoughts but human thoughts!” New American Standard Bible (©1995) But turning around and seeing His disciples, He rebuked Peter and said, “Get behind Me, Satan; for you are not setting your mind on God’s interests, but man’s.” GOD’S WORD® Translation (©1995) Jesus turned, looked at his disciples, and objected to what Peter said. Jesus said, “Get out of my way, Satan! You aren’t thinking the way God thinks but the way humans think.” King James Bible But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men. American King James Version But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get you behind me, Satan: for you mind not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.\* Guilty as charged. Not just any old devil, but THE devil. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-bible-pretty-much-fatally-flawed/491852/52 "2009-04-03T21:39:48Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > \*International Standard Version (©2008) > But turning and looking at his disciples, Jesus rebuked Peter, saying, “Get behind me, Satan, because you’re not thinking God’s thoughts but human thoughts!” > > New American Standard Bible (©1995) > But turning around and seeing His disciples, He rebuked Peter and said, “Get behind Me, Satan; for you are not setting your mind on God’s interests, but man’s.” > > GOD’S WORD® Translation (©1995) > Jesus turned, looked at his disciples, and objected to what Peter said. Jesus said, “Get out of my way, Satan! You aren’t thinking the way God thinks but the way humans think.” > > King James Bible > But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men. > > American King James Version > But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get you behind me, Satan: for you mind not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.\* > > Guilty as charged. Not just any old devil, but THE devil. :eek: Yes you can cast out a demon that exact way, that does not mean you are calling the person a devil, but the demon possessing him a devil. In casting out demons Jesus talks directly to them. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-bible-pretty-much-fatally-flawed/491852/53 "2009-04-03T22:00:27Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Yes you can cast out a demon that exact way, that does not mean you are calling the person a devil, but the demon possessing him a devil. > > In casting out demons Jesus talks directly to them. OK, I got it now. Everything is literal when you want it to be. If it suits your purpose better, then it is not literal. This “discussion” is over. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-bible-pretty-much-fatally-flawed/491852/54 "2009-04-03T22:57:36Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > OK, I got it now. Everything is literal when you want it to be. If it suits your purpose better, then it is not literal. This “discussion” is over. [/QUOTE] Sorry to hear that > [@](#): > > 1 Corinthians 2:14 > The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-bible-pretty-much-fatally-flawed/491852/55 "2009-04-03T23:04:31Z")
> [@Book of Lobohan 1:3](#): > > The gullible man without any common sense blindly accepts the things that are attributed to the Spirit of God, for they believe what they want to believe, because they are afraid of dying and too cowardly to face reality. If I quoted it, it’s true. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-bible-pretty-much-fatally-flawed/491852/56 "2009-04-03T23:25:14Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > 1 Corinthians 2:14 > > The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. The real kicker here is, you have not -and _cannot_- make a sound argument that the text of the bible itself comes from the spirit of God. The reason for this is because we cannot trust the book to verify its own accuracy except by comparison to other, objectively verifiable things. And there is no way to objectively verifiy Spirit of Godness. There are numerous claims of _subjective_ verifications, when people got good feelings or visions or hallucinations or whatever, but those are useless for determining actual truth, since they’re not objectively verifiable. And worse, you cannot accurately trace and determine the cause or source of these feelings, so they’re not really even _subjective_ verifications. You’ve decided that they’re from God…but you might as well believe a complete stranger who walks up and tells you he’s God. You have as much reason to trust him as you have to trust your own guesses as to the causes of your ‘experiences’ and beliefs. By the way, I’m God. Send me tithing. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-bible-pretty-much-fatally-flawed/491852/57 "2009-04-03T23:30:20Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > Well, _one_ of those two things is fatally flawed… (Ooh, on-topic comment!)Ah. FYI, nobody uses that ‘general sense’. Words have, like, meaning and stuff.You don’t know the first thing about studying science. Heck, I’m surprised you can spell it! I have no desire to boast about my multiple degrees in the sciences, but I would only say that they would easily surpass most of the posters here by quite a bit. I do count them all rubbish however, as man’s view of the world is so totally in error there is no hope for man outside of the grace God offers us through His Son Jesus. In Him alone will I boast. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-bible-pretty-much-fatally-flawed/491852/58 "2009-04-03T23:40:17Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > The real kicker here is, you have not -and _cannot_- make a sound argument that the text of the bible itself comes from the spirit of God. The reason for this is because we cannot trust the book to verify its own accuracy except by comparison to other, objectively verifiable things. And there is no way to objectively verifiy Spirit of Godness. While that is impossible with man, nothing is impossible for God. The Word is God. One day every knee will bow and every tongue proclaim that Jesus is Lord, so you will get your objectiveness. Until then God wants you to know Him personally, as such He does not want you to come to Him objectively, but personally. > [@](#): > > There are numerous claims of _subjective_ verifications, when people got good feelings or visions or hallucinations or whatever, but those are useless for determining actual truth, since they’re not objectively verifiable. Outside of God man does not know what truth is, hint objectively verifiable means nothing. Do you know your parents objectively or personally? > [@](#): > > And worse, you cannot accurately trace and determine the cause or source of these feelings, so they’re not really even _subjective_ verifications. You’ve decided that they’re from God…but you might as well believe a complete stranger who walks up and tells you he’s God. You have as much reason to trust him as you have to trust your own guesses as to the causes of your ‘experiences’ and beliefs. > > By the way, I’m God. Send me tithing. Again you know not the power nor the truth of God, the gifts of discernment He offers. You sound as foolish and ignorant in your posting and I sound to you, though I am schooled in your reality and know it is a deception. You have no idea of what you speak or to put it in the Word of God: > [@](#): > > 1 Corinthians 2:14 > The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. I can tell you that God is so real and right infront of you at all times, but you are blinded to Him as He states: > [@](#): > > Isaiah 6:9 > He said, "Go and tell this people: " ‘Be ever hearing, but never understanding; be ever seeing, but never perceiving.’ May God open your eyes and ears. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-bible-pretty-much-fatally-flawed/491852/59 "2009-04-03T23:55:33Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > I have no desire to boast about my multiple degrees in the sciences, but I would only say that they would easily surpass most of the posters here by quite a bit. I do count them all rubbish however, as man’s view of the world is so totally in error there is no hope for man outside of the grace God offers us through His Son Jesus. In Him alone will I boast. If you actually have multiple degrees in the sciences I wouldn’t boast about them either. You’ve obviously misunderstood practically everything about them. If you actually have a degree in any hard science and think the world is 5000 years old, you should burn your diploma and the school that was incompetent enough to let you wear a gown should have its accreditation challenged. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-bible-pretty-much-fatally-flawed/491852/60 "2009-04-03T23:56:27Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > I have no desire to boast about my multiple degrees in the sciences, but I would only say that they would easily surpass most of the posters here by quite a bit. I do count them all rubbish however, as man’s view of the world is so totally in error there is no hope for man outside of the grace God offers us through His Son Jesus. In Him alone will I boast. Since they’re rubbish, what is it to you whether other people know about them or not. What sciences do you have degrees in? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-bible-pretty-much-fatally-flawed/491852.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-bible-pretty-much-fatally-flawed/491852.md?page=4)