# Is the election Obama's to lose? (August 2011) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 21, 2011, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-election-obamas-to-lose-august-2011/593510 "2011-08-21T04:36:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Rekd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Rekd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rekd)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-election-obamas-to-lose-august-2011/593510/61 "2011-08-24T21:34:16Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > **Rekd** , if you truly believe that Obama is the worst president in recent history, a notion, I can only say, you have not effectively demonstrated so far, you might be better served to explain who specifically you think would do better amongst the current crop of candidates, and why. I never said he was the worst president in recent history. I believe it was more along the lines of the worst president in US history. Sorry for any confusion. As for who would be a better POTUS? Well that’s easy… who’s going to be running? 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-election-obamas-to-lose-august-2011/593510/62 "2011-08-24T21:38:28Z")
> [@Rekd](#): > > Not to worry, folks. Dear Leader is still ahead of Paul in this Rassmussen poll. Ahem. > [@Marley23](#): > > You’re also posting a lot of childish taunts of both parties, and making a bunch of basic factual errors- which indicates you’re not trying to do much other than annoy people. I meant that as a bad thing. “Dear Leader” is more of the same. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-election-obamas-to-lose-august-2011/593510/63 "2011-08-24T22:14:11Z")
> [@](#): > > I never said he was the worst president in recent history. I believe it was more along the lines of the worst president in US history. Sorry for any confusion. So, it’s your position that he’s the worst in all of US history, but that he’s _not_ the worst in recent history? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-election-obamas-to-lose-august-2011/593510/64 "2011-08-24T22:31:13Z")
> [@Rekd](#): > > I never said he was the worst president in recent history. I believe it was more along the lines of the worst president in US history. Sorry for any confusion. Well, I haven’t seen any evidence that you have the credibility to make such a judgement, so maybe you could drop the snark and speak to other people as if they were, you know, people, rather than some cartoon image of political opponents you seem to have in your head. > [@](#): > > As for who would be a better POTUS? Well that’s easy… who’s going to be running? 🆒 Sorry, no sale. I think you already have some idea who has declared for the Republican nomination, and I don’t believe, at this point, that would-be demagogues such as Rick Perry or Michele Bachmann would properly serve the country’s interest. Presumably you are here for some other reason than to bray partisan slogans, and actually want to convince someone that your views are correct. So, let’s hear in what ways you think they would improve on the performance of the current President, or address any other issue you care to name. ---
**Author:** ![Rekd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Rekd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rekd)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-election-obamas-to-lose-august-2011/593510/65 "2011-08-24T22:31:27Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > So, it’s your position that he’s the worst in all of US history, but that he’s _not_ the worst in recent history? Um, no. I was simply correcting the misquote. You seem to confuse easily, I’ll try to be more clear in the future. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-election-obamas-to-lose-august-2011/593510/66 "2011-08-24T22:41:36Z")
> [@Rekd](#): > > You seem to confuse easily, I’ll try to be more clear in the future. 😉 I seriously doubt you will get the chance. ---
**Author:** ![Rekd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Rekd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rekd)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-election-obamas-to-lose-august-2011/593510/67 "2011-08-24T22:43:06Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Well, I haven’t seen any evidence that you have the credibility to make such a judgement, so maybe you could drop the snark and speak to other people as if they were, you know, people, rather than some cartoon image of political opponents you seem to have in your head. I believe \*\*my \*\*judgments are \*\*mine \*\*to make. Not yours. And when people treat me like a person I treat them like a person. Go back and look at any reply I’ve made and you won’t find one where I’ve been snarky without someone being snarky first. And if you do find one, I’ll be happy to apologize about it because that’s not my intention. > [@](#): > > Sorry, no sale. I think you alreasdy have some idea who has declared for the Republican nomination, and I don’t believe, at this point, that would-be demagogues such as Rick Perry or Michele Bachmann would properly serve the country’s interest. Presumably you are here for some other reason than to bray partisan slogans, and actually want to convince someone that your views are correct. So, let’s hear what you think they would do to improve the economy, or address any other issue you care to name. Perry is no different than Dear Leader. He will likely be ushered in front of the Rupugs like he’s God’s gift to the Office of the President when in reality I’d be willing to be the same people will be filling his teleprompter are the ones currently filling Dear Leader’s. Perry is a Republican Slick Willy. Nothing more. He will continue down the path of ever-expanding government both nationally and internationally. He’ll push to let the UN intrude into our lives just as the federal government does with matters that are Constitutionally left up to the states. And I’m not here to convince anyone that my opinions are correct, only that they are mine. If that bugs you that’s not my problem. I’ll continue to ask (stupid?) questions and giggle at some of the responses. I’ll also try to be a little more factual with my posts, or at least point out that it is my “opinion”. And again, I’ll giggle at some of the responses. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-election-obamas-to-lose-august-2011/593510/68 "2011-08-24T22:46:16Z")
> [@Rekd](#): > > I believe \*\*my \*\*judgments are \*\*mine \*\*to make. Not yours. And when people treat me like a person I treat them like a person. Go back and look at any reply I’ve made and you won’t find one where I’ve been snarky without someone being snarky first. And if you do find one, I’ll be happy to apologize about it because that’s not my intention. > > Perry is no different than Dear Leader. He will likely be ushered in front of the Rupugs like he’s God’s gift to the Office of the President when in reality I’d be willing to be the same people will be filling his teleprompter are the ones currently filling Dear Leader’s. > > Perry is a Republican Slick Willy. Nothing more. He will continue down the path of ever-expanding government both nationally and internationally. He’ll push to let the UN intrude into our lives just as the federal government does with matters that are Constitutionally left up to the states. > > And I’m not here to convince anyone that my opinions are correct, only that they are mine. If that bugs you that’s not my problem. I’ll continue to ask (stupid?) questions and giggle at some of the responses. > > I’ll also try to be a little more factual with my posts, or at least point out that it is my “opinion”. And again, I’ll giggle at some of the responses. 🙂 You know that you just got moderated about nonsense barbs like Dear Leader, right? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-election-obamas-to-lose-august-2011/593510/69 "2011-08-24T23:09:43Z")
> [@Rekd](#): > > =Perry is no different than Dear Leader. He will likely be ushered in front of the Rupugs like he’s God’s gift to the Office of the President when in reality I’d be willing to be the same people will be filling his teleprompter are the ones currently filling Dear Leader’s. OK, so not only are you not going to defend your assertions, you are going to directly contradict them from one post to the next. Got it. ---
**Author:** ![Rekd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Rekd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rekd)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-election-obamas-to-lose-august-2011/593510/70 "2011-08-24T23:15:49Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > OK, so not only are you not going to defend your assertions, you are going to directly contradict them from one post to the next. Got it. I believe this was the first reference I made to Perry…? How did I contradict myself? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-election-obamas-to-lose-august-2011/593510/71 "2011-08-24T23:23:30Z")
You said that anyone who was running would be better than Obama, then you said that someone who’s running is no different from him. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-election-obamas-to-lose-august-2011/593510/72 "2011-08-25T00:18:39Z")
> [@Rekd](#): > > Perry is no different than Dear Leader. Dear Leader? What happened to The One? I need a scorecard. ---
**Author:** ![Rekd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Rekd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rekd)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-election-obamas-to-lose-august-2011/593510/73 "2011-08-25T01:19:32Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > You said that anyone who was running would be better than Obama, then you said that someone who’s running is no different from him. Ahh, I sit corrected. My sincerest apologies. Let me clarify then… Anyone who is running against him is better than him, except the likes of Perry, Romney and Bachaman, who would likely be no different than Obama. Hmm, you’re right. That’s very contradictory. Let’s leave it at Anyone but Obama. Or Perry. Or Romney or Bachman. LoL, the Repugs are effed. Perry and Romney are prolly the only one’s the GOP will put up. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-election-obamas-to-lose-august-2011/593510/74 "2011-08-25T01:21:41Z")
> [@Rekd](#): > > Let’s leave it at Anyone but Obama. Or Perry. Or Romney or Bachman. So, Herman Cain or Rick Santorum, then? ---
**Author:** ![Rekd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Rekd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rekd)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-election-obamas-to-lose-august-2011/593510/75 "2011-08-25T01:28:09Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > So, Herman Cain or Rick Santorum, then? How about Palin instead? Or Paul. Yeah, Paul. He’ll turn around the Big Government Machine and at least try to get US headed back to the Constitution before he dies. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-election-obamas-to-lose-august-2011/593510/76 "2011-08-25T01:40:57Z")
> [@Rekd](#): > > How about Palin instead? I knew it! (My post is my cite.) ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-election-obamas-to-lose-august-2011/593510/77 "2011-08-25T02:04:01Z")
> [@Rekd](#): > > Not to worry, folks. Dear Leader is still ahead of Paul in this Rassmussen poll. Since you’re new to this game, I’ll explain it to you: Citing Rasmussen is a highly reliable way to get laughed at by the reality-based community. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-election-obamas-to-lose-august-2011/593510/78 "2011-08-25T03:50:21Z")
Ah, gotcha. So when you said “anyone who’s running”, it just never occurred to you to consider any of the top three contenders. I understand; it’s easy to overlook them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-election-obamas-to-lose-august-2011/593510.md?page=3)