# Is The Gay Marriage Debate Over? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 2, 2014, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472 "2014-05-02T00:00:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 41
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2014, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/801 "2014-05-09T03:47:56Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > By this “logic”, it would be even better if only left-handed blue-eyed Albanians were allowed to get married. Fuck. I’m so very, very close. Can we make it Greek instead of Albanian? Pretty please? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2014, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/802 "2014-05-09T04:49:04Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Fuck. I’m so very, very close. Can we make it Greek instead of Albanian? Pretty please? No. That would totally water down the institution. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2014, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/803 "2014-05-09T06:21:12Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > You know what I think would be very interesting? If one of you in the is thread would start a new GD thread entitled something along the lines of “Fact: SSM is out, SS Civil Unions are in. Accepting that, how can we craft the best, fairest society for all?” It can’t come from me, as I am “tainted”. But I’d be curious to see how good a society you all could craft. > > That would be very interesting. Too bad it’ll never be done. Because, well, you know, it’s just beyond the pale!!! ::shrug:: [Done.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=722977) ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2014, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/804 "2014-05-09T13:14:21Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I don’t have much time, but… > > You are 100% wrong about this. I assume and fully believe that the love felt between two SS people is real and profound, the same as the love between OS people. I have no qualms about that. I don’t see their love as lesser. And I’m not trying to hurt them. I’m trying to protect something I view as valuable: the traditional notion that marriage is comprised of man + woman. What about the notion that you are indeed proposing something that hurts them. Is your suspicion, the maybe I’m wrong, think you’re trying to protect worth it? Do we think now that if we could have actually kept schools segregated and close to equal that segregation would have been the better choice, or is working toward inclusion and breaking down the barriers that have us see fellow citizens as “the other” the better goal and worth the struggle? I think it’s clear in your proposal that even if it were done, many people would still continue to see it as a statement that SS couples weren’t quite as good as OS couples and did not deserve the term marriage. You say it’s not true and not the ntention but you must beieve that whatever vague benefit you see coming from it outweighs the harm done by haveing a portion of our society feel left out and not treated equally. correct? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2014, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/805 "2014-05-09T13:35:41Z")
> [@Antinor01](#): > > GED is for General Education Development Larry the Cable Guy says his stands for Git 'Er Done. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2014, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/806 "2014-05-10T01:23:25Z")
An Arkansas state judge (note, not a federal judge) strikes down SSM ban – [Arkansas judge strikes down ban on gay marriage](http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/arkansas-judge-strikes-down-ban-gay) > [@](#): > > In his court order today, the judge concluded, “Arkansas’ marriage laws discriminate against same-sex couples in violation of the Equal Protection Clause because they do not advance any conceivable legitimate state interest necessary to support even a rational-basis review.” ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2014, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/807 "2014-05-10T20:23:17Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > An Arkansas state judge (note, not a federal judge) strikes down SSM ban – [Arkansas judge strikes down ban on gay marriage](http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/arkansas-judge-strikes-down-ban-gay) And he cited Loving v. Virginia in my link [here.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=723067) That’s the one I’ve been waiting for. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/808 "2014-05-12T16:23:18Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > My Proposal > A) Two groups: SS couples and OS couples > B) Legal Benefit/Privilege each group desired: the rights and privileges associated with marriage > C) Proposal: Let’s have one set of legal benefits and privileges that are equally and identical accessed by the two groups in A. Namely, SS couples brought together in a Civil Union and OS couples brought together in a Marriage. Dude, you forgot to put [the United Way update](http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1995-10-02/) between saying “one set” and discriminating the _two_ sets. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/809 "2014-05-12T16:27:34Z")
> [@Little\_Pig](#): > > And he cited Loving v. Virginia in my link [here.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=723067) That’s the one I’ve been waiting for. And he didn’t bother with a pointless stay, either. You may see more of that elsewhere. ---
**Author:** ![TimeWinder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@TimeWinder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TimeWinder)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/810 "2014-05-12T17:59:13Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > C) Proposal: Let’s have one set of legal benefits and privileges that are equally and identical accessed by the two groups in A. Namely, SS couples brought together in a Civil Union and OS couples brought together in a Marriage. Excellent. And since these are, in your own words, _exactly_ equal, you won’t mind switching the names. Same Sex couples get to have a “marriage”, Opposite Sex couples couples get to have a “civil union.” They’re exactly the same, so nobody should mind this, right? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/811 "2014-05-12T18:04:08Z")
> [@TimeWinder](#): > > Excellent. And since these are, in your own words, _exactly_ equal, you won’t mind switching the names. Same Sex couples get to have a “marriage”, Opposite Sex couples couples get to have a “civil union.” They’re exactly the same, so nobody should mind this, right? One child gets to cut the sandwich…but the other child gets to pick which half to take. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/812 "2014-05-12T20:06:30Z")
If people are going to stop getting married because the gays are getting married, and if those people are of the belief that you can’t have children outside of marriage, would that mean that the people who feel so contaminated by the gays would stop reproducing? ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/813 "2014-05-12T23:25:43Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > If people are going to stop getting married because the gays are getting married, and if those people are of the belief that you can’t have children outside of marriage, would that mean that the people who feel so contaminated by the gays would stop reproducing? We can only hope. That would eventually result in this debate ending. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/814 "2014-05-14T05:46:46Z")
Idaho [falls.](http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/05/idahos-same-sex-marriage.html?mid=google) ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/815 "2014-05-14T06:00:26Z")
> [@Little\_Pig](#): > > Idaho [falls.](http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/05/idahos-same-sex-marriage.html?mid=google) Including those that are pending Circuit court decisions, that makes 24 states. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 8:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/816 "2014-05-14T08:39:13Z")
And every time one falls [I feel, I dunno…](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7BQRGXFLJs) ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/817 "2014-05-14T16:33:18Z")
Apparently there are only three states - ND, SD, MT - that do not at least have a relevant lawsuit in process, if not yet a court ruling. But that’s easy to fix. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/818 "2014-05-14T16:46:23Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Apparently there are only three states - ND, SD, MT - that do not at least have a relevant lawsuit in process, if not yet a court ruling. But that’s easy to fix. They’re still looking for a second gay man to make up a couple in the Dakotas… ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2014, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/819 "2014-05-15T22:27:49Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > They’re still looking for a second gay man to make up a couple in the Dakotas… As much as I want marriage equality…I am NOT giving up living in Southern California for it. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/820 "2014-05-16T18:03:40Z")
> [@Antinor01](#): > > As much as I want marriage equality…I am NOT giving up living in Southern California for it. 😉 You know, they have ways of conditioning you to love the Dakotas. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472.md?page=40) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472.md?page=42)