# Is The Gay Marriage Debate Over? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 2, 2014, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472 "2014-05-02T00:00:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 43
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/841 "2014-11-06T12:17:21Z")
> [@FrederickJones](#): > > (is the polygamy debate over? Is it okay to marry your dolphin debate over? No it will never be over!!!) Who are you and where did you come from? It’s over. You lost. Get the fuck over it. ---
**Author:** ![FrederickJones](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/43a26b/32.png) [@FrederickJones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FrederickJones)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/842 "2014-11-06T12:18:07Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Please name them. I’d love to hear something no one else has offered. > > Sorry, we’ve heard this one a million times before. Marrying animals has no more in common with gay marriage then it does with straight marriage. > > Discrimination against gays is the same as those other sorts of discrimination. You’ve certainly done nothing to show that they’re different. > > So what? Who cares if you can fake being gay? You can also fake being a Christian, or an atheist, or a police officer, or a doctor, or governor, or a million other things. > > There were lots of things that used to be so that we now recognize were foolish. > > If you believe gay people are morally inferior to straight people, then yes you are. If you believe that gay people should not have the same rights as straight people, then yes you are. If you believe that homosexual acts should be punished by law, then yes you are. (Jesus Christ makes it very clear that if you want it bad enough you can become a Christian. Many of his stories, especially in his last 40 days on earth after the resurrection, he makes this totally clear. It’s like gravity people. It effects us all.) ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/843 "2014-11-06T12:18:12Z")
> [@FrederickJones](#): > > 90% of gays are atheists. You’ll have to cite this, but why is this relevant? Plenty of straight people are atheists as well. How is atheism relevant to this discussion? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/844 "2014-11-06T12:19:24Z")
> [@FrederickJones](#): > > (Jesus Christ makes it very clear that if you want it bad enough you can become a Christian. Many of his stories, especially in his last 40 days on earth after the resurrection, he makes this totally clear. Many of us don’t believe the stories of Jesus, or in the Bible as a whole, are true. Arguments referencing Jesus or the Bible are totally ineffective for people who don’t follow Jesus or the Bible. ---
**Author:** ![FrederickJones](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/43a26b/32.png) [@FrederickJones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FrederickJones)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/845 "2014-11-06T12:25:41Z")
[quote=“iiandyiiii, post:838, topic:687472”] Please name them. I’d love to hear something no one else has offered. (That is the problem, never in our history has sin been encouraged as it is through the gay marriage. No one knows what will happen, not even gay people.) (The ten commandments were given to us to help us. God loves sinners but hates what sin does to us. Not many people understand this.) (What do you think this does to pre, post, and extra marital sex? Does it not encourage even more of that???) (But I know that trying to reason with you is foolish because you just want to say NO! NO!! NO!!! just like the 3 year old child so that you can do as you please, and not feel any guilt whatsoever.) ---
**Author:** ![FrederickJones](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/43a26b/32.png) [@FrederickJones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FrederickJones)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/846 "2014-11-06T12:28:00Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Many of us don’t believe the stories of Jesus, or in the Bible as a whole, are true. Arguments referencing Jesus or the Bible are totally ineffective for people who don’t follow Jesus or the Bible. I know. ---
**Author:** ![FrederickJones](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/43a26b/32.png) [@FrederickJones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FrederickJones)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/847 "2014-11-06T12:29:59Z")
Zakalwe Hee Hee HEEEEEE! ---
**Author:** ![FrederickJones](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/43a26b/32.png) [@FrederickJones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FrederickJones)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/848 "2014-11-06T12:31:28Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Citation needed. Also, assuming _homosexuals_ are overwhelmingly irreligious, you think this has anything to do with the massive bigotry most religions display against them? Yeah right. ---
**Author:** ![FrederickJones](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/43a26b/32.png) [@FrederickJones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FrederickJones)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/849 "2014-11-06T12:32:40Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > (And Chocolate means “made by Hershey’s.”) NOt the same ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/850 "2014-11-06T12:34:28Z")
> [@FrederickJones](#): > > (That is the problem, never in our history has sin been encouraged as it is through the gay marriage. No one knows what will happen, not even gay people.) Ridiculous hyperbole – throughout human history, we’ve had slavery, genocide, subjugation of women, oppression and brutality on massive scales, and you’re worried that _gay marriage_ will bring down society? What a joke. > [@](#): > > (The ten commandments were given to us to help us. God loves sinners but hates what sin does to us. Not many people understand this.) I don’t believe you. I don’t believe this is true, and I’m not just going to take your word for it. > [@](#): > > (What do you think this does to pre, post, and extra marital sex? Does it not encourage even more of that???) Nothing. If anything, gay marriage encourages people to stay faithful to their spouses. > [@](#): > > (But I know that trying to reason with you is foolish because you just want to say NO! NO!! NO!!! just like the 3 year old child so that you can do as you please, and not feel any guilt whatsoever.) So far, the only thing you’ve offered as an argument is “Jesus/God says gay marriage is wrong, so it’s wrong”. Not only have you provided no reason why we should consider you an authority on what Jesus or God wanted, but this argument is meaningless if we don’t accept the existence of Jesus or God in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/851 "2014-11-06T12:36:20Z")
> [@FrederickJones](#): > > (Jesus Christ makes it very clear that if you want it bad enough you can become a Christian. If you want it bad enough, you can let consenting adults who aren’t harming anybody get married. I don’t want to be a Christian – not “bad enough”, and not “at all” – but I of course want to treat others how I’d like to be treated; that’s just basic decency. > [@](#): > > It’s like gravity people. It effects us all.) _Affects_. ---
**Author:** ![FrederickJones](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/43a26b/32.png) [@FrederickJones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FrederickJones)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/852 "2014-11-06T12:36:44Z")
> [@cosmosdan](#): > > What about the notion that you are indeed proposing something that hurts them. > > Is your suspicion, the maybe I’m wrong, think you’re trying to protect worth it? > > Do we think now that if we could have actually kept schools segregated and close to equal that segregation would have been the better choice, or is working toward inclusion and breaking down the barriers that have us see fellow citizens as “the other” the better goal and worth the struggle? > I think it’s clear in your proposal that even if it were done, many people would still continue to see it as a statement that SS couples weren’t quite as good as OS couples and did not deserve the term marriage. You say it’s not true and not the ntention but you must beieve that whatever vague benefit you see coming from it outweighs the harm done by haveing a portion of our society feel left out and not treated equally. correct? Skin color is not SEX!!! :smack: :smack: :smack: ---
**Author:** ![FrederickJones](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/43a26b/32.png) [@FrederickJones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FrederickJones)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/853 "2014-11-06T12:40:41Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > If you want it bad enough, you can let consenting adults who aren’t harming anybody get married. I don’t want to be a Christian – not “bad enough”, and not “at all” – but I of course want to treat others how I’d like to be treated; that’s just basic decency. > > _Affects_. The words are actually almost interchangeable. If it makes you feel better I’ll use “impacts.” ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/854 "2014-11-06T12:42:58Z")
> [@FrederickJones](#): > > The words are actually almost interchangeable. If it makes you feel better I’ll use “impacts.” I doubt that will help. 🙂 (And, by the way, the words effect and affect are by no means interchangeable.) ---
**Author:** ![FrederickJones](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/43a26b/32.png) [@FrederickJones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FrederickJones)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/855 "2014-11-06T12:47:21Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > I doubt that will help. 🙂 (And, by the way, the words effect and affect are by no means interchangeable.) Hey you might want to look up Frank Turek on you [tube.com](http://tube.com) ---
**Author:** ![FrederickJones](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/43a26b/32.png) [@FrederickJones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FrederickJones)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/856 "2014-11-06T12:49:29Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > In my opinion, it’s not over until discrimination against gay couples is as rare and unacceptable as discrimination against interracial couples. In my opinion it’s not over until we all appear at St. Peter’s gate. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/857 "2014-11-06T12:50:17Z")
> [@FrederickJones](#): > > The words are actually almost interchangeable. If it makes you feel better I’ll use “impacts.” If you want to make me feel better, do unto others as you’d have them do unto you; whenever you hear about consenting adults who aren’t hurting anybody, don’t step in to say _gee whiz and gosh golly darn it: if one of you had a penis it’d be none of my business, but neither of you does so y’all gotta stop what you’re doing right now._ ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/858 "2014-11-06T12:52:03Z")
> [@FrederickJones](#): > > In my opinion it’s not over until we all appear at St. Peter’s gate. Is that when someone is going to punish me for judging not lest I be judged? ---
**Author:** ![FrederickJones](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/43a26b/32.png) [@FrederickJones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FrederickJones)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/859 "2014-11-06T12:52:13Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > I call bullshit for two reasons: > > 1. Marriage is for the production of children. Historically, controlling the production of legitimate children is ONE OF the key functions of marriage, but in contemporary culture we have almost completely severed legal marriage from legal parenting, and we no longer socially stigmatize illigitimate children. In other words, you no longer need to be married to produce acceptable children. > > 2. Your antiquated, culture-specific gender roles. As evidence, I cite the diversity of the human species, which has a cultural institution of marriage across all of them but startling different ideas of what men are like and what men do, as well as what women are like and what women do. Educate yourself a bit about gender cross-culturally and then return to this statement. > > I don’t mind people who disagree with my views, but if your views are predicated on ignoring half a century of cultural shift and two centuries’ worth of data on other people’s cultures, not to mention historical data, why on earth should I take your ideas seriously? By swearing you nullified your own statements. Swearing does not make you right. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/860 "2014-11-06T12:54:14Z")
> [@FrederickJones](#): > > Yeah right. I’m not sure what about that elicited the “yeah right”. Are you scoffing at my request that you demonstrate your claims? 90% seems a little ridiculous. A recent survey put it at [50](http://www.ibtimes.com/gay-atheists-facing-religious-hostility-lgbt-americans-abandon-faith-pew-study-1312203)%, which I find surprising in its own right. The point being, you’re wrong. Or do you mean people might not want to associate with a religion that treats them as damaged abominations? Yeah, I can’t imagine it at all! After all, I want nothing more than to believe the unprovable claims of a bunch of people who hate me for what I am. Life’s just no fun at all without self-loathing. 🙂 > [@FrederickJones](#): > > Hey you might want to look up Frank Turek on you \ I think you meant youtube. I hope. And Frank Turek is a tool who doesn’t understand the burden of proof or that it is fundamentally impossible to prove a negative. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472.md?page=42) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472.md?page=44)