# Is The Gay Marriage Debate Over? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 2, 2014, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472 "2014-05-02T00:00:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 44
**Author:** ![FrederickJones](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/43a26b/32.png) [@FrederickJones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FrederickJones)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/861 "2014-11-06T12:56:33Z")
> [@CoastalMaineiac](#): > > It’s over for me, anyway. Gay marriage passed by referendum in Maine, yet the world did not end, and God did not send fire from the heavens to burn down this supposed modern day Sodom and Gomorrah. > > And as far as I know, people are still not allowed to marry blood relatives, children, or animals (I know, those are all redundant). So it looks like the most common slippery slope fallacy employed by opponents failed to materialize. > > In other words, the effects are as I suspected they would be. Gay people are happy (well, until they get past the honeymoon stage), and the effects on me and everyone else are nil. > > Whatever was the big hubbub about, anyway? Psalm 118:22 The stone that the builders tossed aside has now become the most important stone. Acts 4:11 He is the stone that you builders thought was worthless and now he is the most important stone of all. Consider that these verses were written in different times by different people, and yet Psalm 118 predicted what happened in the much, much, much later Acts 4:11 If atheists could SEE that the Bible predicts what will happen that would be the physical evidence that they need. However Christians do not need this as their only evidence. We know how it feels to live for God. Wouldn’t you really rather live for God? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/862 "2014-11-06T12:56:37Z")
> [@FrederickJones](#): > > By swearing you nullified your own statements. Swearing does not make you right. Doesn’t make him wrong, either. It doesn’t nullify his statements; it’s completely irrelevant as to whether he’s correct or incorrect. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/863 "2014-11-06T13:00:50Z")
> [@FrederickJones](#): > > However Christians do not need this as their only evidence. We know how it feels to live for God. > > Wouldn’t you really rather live for God? Speaking as a Jew, I’d rather Christians _started_ living for God – or for their fellow man, or enlightened self-interest, even. All sorts of alternatives, really. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/864 "2014-11-06T13:04:20Z")
> [@FrederickJones](#): > > (Jesus Christ makes it very clear that if you want it bad enough you can become a Christian. Many of his stories, especially in his last 40 days on earth after the resurrection, he makes this totally clear. > > It’s like gravity people. It effects us all.) Please don’t take the Lord’s name in vain. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/865 "2014-11-06T13:06:19Z")
> [@FrederickJones](#): > > Consider that these verses were written in different times by different people, and yet Psalm 118 predicted what happened in the much, much, much later Acts 4:11 Not convinced by references to an old book full of non-facts. > [@](#): > > If atheists could SEE that the Bible predicts what will happen that would be the physical evidence that they need. This would definitely help, but since the Bible hasn’t predicted anything that’s happened in my lifetime, then this provides no evidence. > [@](#): > > Wouldn’t you really rather live for God? First I’d have to believe God exists. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/866 "2014-11-06T13:09:02Z")
> [@FrederickJones](#): > > {…} predicted {…} predicts {…} Another word, the meaning of which, you do not understand. CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/867 "2014-11-06T13:26:21Z")
> [@FrederickJones](#): > > Psalm 118:22 The stone that the builders tossed aside has now become the most important stone. > > Acts 4:11 He is the stone that you builders thought was worthless and now he is the most important stone of all. > > Consider that these verses were written in different times by different people, and yet Psalm 118 predicted what happened in the much, much, much later Acts 4:11 Or, alternatively, the authors of the new testament knew of the old testament and shaped their writing to fulfil parts of it. That’s hardly an impressive prediction. > [@](#): > > If atheists could SEE that the Bible predicts what will happen that would be the physical evidence that they need. Hey, that’s a great idea! How about you make a prediction based on the bible. A falsifiable, specific prediction. > [@](#): > > However Christians do not need this as their only evidence. We know how it feels to live for God. And schizophrenics know how it feels to _be_ God. Or so they claim. Personally, I think they’re full of crap, but that’s just my opinion. > [@](#): > > Wouldn’t you really rather live for God? For a cruel, vindictive bigot who condones slavery and is both willing to condemn me to eternal torture for the crime of not believing he exists _and_ created a world where every single piece of evidence we have indicates that his holy book is not an accurate depiction of reality? I’d rather live for Hitler - _at least we know that genocidal asshole was real!_ ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/868 "2014-11-06T14:59:29Z")
> [@FrederickJones](#): > > Swearing does not make you right. So goddamn true. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/869 "2014-11-06T15:07:23Z")
> [@FrederickJones](#): > > Psalm 118:22 The stone that the builders tossed aside has now become the most important stone. > > Acts 4:11 He is the stone that you builders thought was worthless and now he is the most important stone of all. > > Consider that these verses were written in different times by different people, and yet Psalm 118 predicted what happened in the much, much, much later Acts 4:11 Man, I spent 5 minutes googling this and already know that this wasn’t a prediction. It was a quote. Acts 4:11 quotes Psalm 118:22 by applying it to Jesus. It’s saying “Hey, remember that awesome line in Psalm 118? The one about the rock? It totally applies to the J-Man. They threw him aside and he’s, like, totally the cornerstone, amirite?” ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/870 "2014-11-06T15:08:56Z")
> [@FrederickJones](#): > > Wouldn’t you really rather live for God? Which god? Where did you get your “90%” statistic? ---
**Author:** ![Hector\_St\_Clare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5ac83/32.png) [@Hector\_St\_Clare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hector_St_Clare)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/871 "2014-11-06T15:09:56Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > Man, I spent 5 minutes googling this and already know that this wasn’t a prediction. It was a quote. Acts 4:11 quotes Psalm 118:22 by applying it to Jesus. > > It’s saying “Hey, remember that awesome line in Psalm 118? The one about the rock? It totally applies to the J-Man. They threw him aside and he’s, like, totally the cornerstone, amirite?” Yes. I believe that there are genuine biblical predictions/prophecies of historical events, including the life of Jesus, but this is a piss-poor example. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/872 "2014-11-06T15:22:39Z")
> [@](#): > > Quoth **Frederick Jones** : > > By swearing you nullified your own statements. Swearing does not make you right. Was this reply meant to be attached to some other quote? There’s no swearing in that post by **Dr. Drake**. What did you think he was swearing by? ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/873 "2014-11-06T15:46:28Z")
Dr. Drake said bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/874 "2014-11-06T17:08:40Z")
> [@FrederickJones](#): > > It’s like gravity people. I’ve heard the gravity people run Wisconsin. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/875 "2014-11-06T17:38:50Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > I’ve heard the gravity people run Wisconsin. Nah, if the _Gravity_ people ran Wisconsin, there would be fewer complaints. I mean, who doesn’t want to be governed by George Clooney and Sandra Bullock? ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/876 "2014-11-06T18:37:15Z")
If **FrederickJones** is all that the anti-gay-marriage side can come up with, then I’d say yes, the debate is over. In that it would be a comical misuse of language to call what he does “debating”. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2014, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472/877 "2014-11-06T19:11:57Z")
> [@Should anti-gay activists be public high school teachers?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-anti-gay-activists-be-public-high-school-teachers/700995/61): > > You have done a very good job of explaining another reason why gay marriage should not be allowed along with the thousands of other reasons. Ookey dokey, thousands? So, say, a list of 25 or 30 really isn’t asking for very much then, right? Thrill [DEL][COLOR=“Black”]me[/DEL][/COLOR] us with your acumen . . . give us a list of reasons, please! CMC fnord! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-gay-marriage-debate-over/687472.md?page=43)