# Is "The New Way forward Act" good or bad? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 7, 2020, 9:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-way-forward-act-good-or-bad/922403 "2020-10-07T09:45:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![urbanredneck2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/5f8ce5/32.png) [@urbanredneck2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/urbanredneck2)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2020, 9:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-way-forward-act-good-or-bad/922403/1 "2020-10-07T09:45:51Z")
Here is the [general information on the act.](https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/5383) Another [summary with more information.](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/116/hr5383/summary) Here is what the [Center for Immigration Studies says about it.](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/116/hr5383/summary) [Nancy Pelosi started the bill and here are her words.](https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/61820-3) Here is what [Fox news says](https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-criminals-would-be-protected-from-deportation-under-bill-aoc-and-other-house-democrats-back) specifically it brings up the point that illegals who commit crimes will not be deported after serving their sentences. Snopes looked into it [and says its true.](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/new-way-forward-deportations/) So what are your opinions? Should republicans bring this up to go after democrats? Should democrats bring it up because they are proud of it? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2020, 9:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-way-forward-act-good-or-bad/922403/2 "2020-10-07T09:56:44Z")
I’ve heard about the “Center For Immigration Studies” before. Their write up in Wiki says: " The **Center for Immigration Studies** ( **CIS** ) is an anti-immigration think tank. It favors far lower immigration numbers, and produces analyses to further those views. The CIS was founded by historian[Otis L. Graham and eugenicist and white nationalist John Tanton The organization was founded in 1985 as a spin-off from the Federation for American Immigration Reform), and is one of a number of anti-immigration organizations founded by Tanton, along with FAIR and NumbersUSA" The Fox entry links, not to a news story, but to Tucker Carlson flapping his gums. Reports published by CIS have been disputed by scholars on immigration, fact-checkers such as [PolitiFact](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PolitiFact.com), [FactCheck.org](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FactCheck.org), [Snopes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snopes.com), media outlets such as _[The Washington Post](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Washington_Post),_[CNN](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNN) and [NBC News](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBC_News), and immigration-research organizations. The organization has “significant influence in the [Trump] White House”,[[3]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Immigration_Studies#cite_note-3) and has been cited by members of the [Trump administration](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_Donald_Trump) to defend its immigration policies.[[4]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Immigration_Studies#cite_note-4) The [Southern Poverty Law Center](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Poverty_Law_Center) describes CIS as a [hate group](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_group) with ties to the American [nativist movement](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nativist_movement).[[5]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Immigration_Studies#cite_note-SPLC-5) CIS has said that the designation is false and, in January 2019, filed a lawsuit against the SPLC over the question,[[6]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Immigration_Studies#cite_note-Bixby-6)[[7]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Immigration_Studies#cite_note-Feuerherd-7) which was dismissed in September 2019.[[8]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Immigration_Studies#cite_note-CourtOpinion-8)[[9]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Immigration_Studies#cite_note-ap-9) ---
**Author:** ![urbanredneck2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/5f8ce5/32.png) [@urbanredneck2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/urbanredneck2)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2020, 10:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-way-forward-act-good-or-bad/922403/3 "2020-10-07T10:13:42Z")
Wow, you did your homework in having some good cites. However with all due respect while you make good points you dont say if you like the act or if republicans and democrats should be bringing it up on the campaign trail. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2020, 10:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-way-forward-act-good-or-bad/922403/4 "2020-10-07T10:14:28Z")
The CIS is an extremist white nationalist group. That legislation is good because, by and large, immigrants are very good for the country, economically and by other measures. We should be encouraging more immigration and legalizing those non violent migrants already here. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2020, 10:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-way-forward-act-good-or-bad/922403/5 "2020-10-07T10:40:13Z")
> [@urbanredneck2](#): > > Here is what [Fox news says](https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-criminals-would-be-protected-from-deportation-under-bill-aoc-and-other-house-democrats-back) specifically it brings up the point that illegals who commit crimes will not be deported after serving their sentences. > > Snopes looked into it [and says its true.](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/new-way-forward-deportations/) What a blatantly false claim. From your cite: > [@Snopes](#): > > The headline of Carlson’s article risked giving some readers the mistaken impression that the New Way Forward Act would entirely protect immigrants who violate U.S. criminal law from deportation, which was not the case. Specific pieces of his article were true–but what you say is not true. It would be as if I told you that Border Patrol officers warned they would missed serious felony cases because they were stretched too thin by the law’s policies, and that one Texas prosecutor warned top Justice Department officials in the law would result in the release of sex offenders. Because that would also be a blatantly false claim: [that’s what Border Patrol officers and a Texas prosecutor warned](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/06/us/politics/family-separation-border-immigration-jeff-sessions-rod-rosenstein.html?fbclid=IwAR2CO3vXyofKFuTak8IZcKIPgot83fAJ7CC9VAB1W30MIADtz2W_VPNOGKw) _actually happened_ under Trump’s immigration policy. > [@](#): > > Border Patrol officers missed serious felony cases because they were stretched too thin by the zero-tolerance policy requiring them to detain and prosecute all of the misdemeanor illegal entry cases. One Texas prosecutor warned top Justice Department officials in 2018 that “sex offenders were released” as a result. If Tucker Carlson–and you–are genuinely worried about letting terrible crimes be committed by undocumented immigrants, your focus on this bill is peculiar. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2020, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-way-forward-act-good-or-bad/922403/6 "2020-10-07T15:02:03Z")
> [@urbanredneck2](#): > > Wow, you did your homework in having some good cites. If only you had done the same. And I agree with **iiandyiiii**. ---
**Author:** ![urbanredneck2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/5f8ce5/32.png) [@urbanredneck2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/urbanredneck2)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2020, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-way-forward-act-good-or-bad/922403/7 "2020-10-07T15:10:28Z")
So lets say you have a chance to ask questions of your local member of congress or candidate. Would you ask them their opinion on this legislation? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2020, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-way-forward-act-good-or-bad/922403/8 "2020-10-07T15:11:30Z")
Hell no. Now you. Let’s say you have a chance to ask questions of your local member of congress. Would you ask them their opinion of Trump’s immigration policy that resulted in the release of sex offenders? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2020, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-way-forward-act-good-or-bad/922403/9 "2020-10-07T15:19:37Z")
> [@urbanredneck2](#): > > Should democrats bring it up because they are proud of it? What has pride got to do with it? What a strange way to put it. They should _support_ it because it is the _right_ thing to do. And the term is 'Democrats", if you don’t mind. If you want to elicit honest opinions, getting petty probably isn’t the right way to go. ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2020, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-way-forward-act-good-or-bad/922403/10 "2020-10-07T18:37:44Z")
> [@urbanredneck2](#): > > Here is what [Fox news says](https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-criminals-would-be-protected-from-deportation-under-bill-aoc-and-other-house-democrats-back) specifically it brings up the point that illegals who commit crimes will not be deported after serving their sentences. The bill says that immigrants will not be **automatically** deported after serving their sentences. It does not prevent the deportation of anyone who has had their due process. The Department of Immigration can still make a case to deport someone. As a counterpoint to that CIS article I suggest you read this one. Because there’s a lot more to the bill. [http://immigrantjusticenetwork.org/newwayforward/](http://immigrantjusticenetwork.org/newwayforward/) > ### **The New Way Forward Act would:** - **Reduce mass incarceration** by ending mandatory detention and banning for-profit immigration jails. - **Allow immigration judges to consider a person’s individual circumstances** during deportation proceedings, allowing more people to remain with their families and move forward with their lives without fear that an old offense could lead to deportation. - **Allow independent federal judges to review certain decisions** of immigration judges that the 1996 laws unfairly tried to remove from judicial oversight. - **End federal prison sentences and criminal prosecutions** for people who cross the border seeking freedom, safety, opportunity, or to reunite with their families. - Advance **racial justice** and address **obstacles to equal justice** in the criminal legal system by limiting deportation for drug convictions and other offenses that result from enforcement that disproportionately targets communities of color. - Protect communities and local resources by **ending the harmful practice of local police acting as deportation agents** or carrying out mass deportations with ICE. - Allow people previously ordered deported to apply for the **opportunity to come home**.