# Is the New York Times Pro-Trump? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [June 29, 2024, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509 "2024-06-29T21:31:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/181 "2024-07-12T17:24:00Z")
“Character assassination” implies there was something there to kill. ---
**Author:** ![colinfred](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colinfred/32/21338_2.png) [@colinfred](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/colinfred)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/182 "2024-07-12T17:26:31Z")
I’m not sure who the “you” in Sylvanz’s quote is, if it’s anybody in particular. However if the “you” in the quote is getting their wish and replacing Biden presumably it is because the “you” think that the replacement is better. Therefore Sylvanz is talking to the hypothetical “you” about replacing Biden with a better candidate and then losing. It doesn’t have to be Sylvanz’s own opinion for the paraphase to make sense. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/183 "2024-07-12T17:31:09Z")
You can twist your self and my words as much as you like. Whether or not you used the quote function, you used quotation marks around words I did not use. That is not cool. Do better, and quit making excuses. ---
**Author:** ![colinfred](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colinfred/32/21338_2.png) [@colinfred](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/colinfred)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/184 "2024-07-12T17:32:00Z")
Learn how English works and stop moaning. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/185 "2024-07-12T17:32:34Z")
Pot meet kettle. I know how English works. Do you understand what quotation marks are? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/186 "2024-07-12T17:35:47Z")
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**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/187 "2024-07-12T17:36:52Z")
> [@Sylvanz](#): > > Pot meet kettle. > I know how English works. Do you understand what quotation marks are? > [@colinfred](#): > > Learn how English works and stop moaning. **Moderating** : Getting way too heated and off-topic. Drop this and return to the subject matter. And please remember, do not argue moderation in thread. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/188 "2024-07-12T17:48:46Z")
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**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/189 "2024-07-12T17:49:04Z")
My apologies. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/190 "2024-07-12T17:49:35Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > “Character assassination” implies there was something there to kill. There is that, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2024, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/191 "2024-07-13T19:40:49Z")
The Los Angeles Times checks in. > Just awful cloud cuckoo land thinking from the man who has been covering politics for the LA Times since 1974. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2024, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/192 "2024-07-13T20:05:12Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Yes, if they are somehow able to find a candidate—despite a very contentious convention which usually spells failure—that candidate might be able to overcome this. But the NYT has no argument for that candidate. They aren’t pushing their guy. They’re being anti-Biden. > > Right now, in a two-person election, pushing anti-Biden arguments is Pro-Trump. Especially since it seems profoundly unlikely that Biden will step down. Exactly. Now if they were pro-Harris- that would be different. But of course Harris doesnt give the NYT the preferential treatment they think they should get. > [@bordelond](#): > > I swear, if we still had signatures under our posts, I’d add this link to it: Hmm, from your link- “_The media’s Anti-Biden noise isn’t an accident:_ _— CNN: CEO Trump donor_ _— ABC: CEO Trump donor_ _— CBS: CEO Trump donor_ _— NBC: CEO Trump donor_ _— MSNBC: CEO Trump donor_ _— Washington Post: owner anti-union billionaire Jeff Bezos_ _— Wall Street Journal: Owner: Rupert Murdoch_ _— New York Times: CEO Trump donor.”_ > [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > FYI, Biden just regained a slight lead in the 538 forecast for the first time since the debate. Great link and please share in the Biden Considering Dropping out (no he doesnt) thread. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2024, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/193 "2024-07-13T20:17:32Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > > [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > > > FYI, Biden just regained a slight lead in the 538 forecast for the first time since the debate. > > Great link and please share in the Biden Considering Dropping out (no he doesnt) thread. Might just be a fluctuation… but Biden’s small lead in the 538 analysis has opened up a bit from when Lance first posted it - out of 1000 simulations, Biden now gets 512 of them, Trump 484. The remaining four are 269-269 electoral college ties. EDIT: It should be noted that 538’s analysis is not based strictly on polling. There are many non-polling factors included. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2024, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/194 "2024-07-13T20:25:40Z")
So next week is the Republican convention which is typically accompanied by a polling bump. Will we see stories about how this is a normal thing that should level out after the Dem convention or will we see another billion opinion pieces about how replacing Biden with someone less popular will magically lead to an easy D win? ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2024, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/195 "2024-07-13T21:34:31Z")
Re last post, does anyone have a link to an opinion piece, in the NY Times or elsewhere, saying that replacing Biden leads to an easy D win? I do not take the claim that there are a large number literally. But 'd be interested to read one. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2024, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/196 "2024-07-13T23:30:04Z")
The LA Times piece I just linked to… > Why Clooney? > Most importantly, he’d whip the dangerous Donald Trump easily, probably by a landslide. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2024, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/197 "2024-07-13T23:54:32Z")
From Snopes: [Did CEOs of CNN, NBC and New York Times Donate to Trump?](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cnn-ceo-trump-donated/) > [@](#): > > False. . . > > We emailed Occupy Democrats to inquire about the removal of the “Trump donors” meme from Facebook. A spokesperson told us, “We removed it when we looked into it further and realized that some of the information in the tweet it was based on was inaccurate.” ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2024, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/198 "2024-07-13T23:58:42Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > From Snopes: Bah, humbug. Oh well. ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/199 "2024-07-14T00:00:16Z")
Willfully spreading misinformation is bad, no matter what side is doing it. The ends do not justify the means ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/200 "2024-07-14T00:27:19Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > > [@bordelond](#): > > > > I swear, if we still had signatures under our posts, I’d add this link to it: > > Hmm, from your link- > > “_The media’s Anti-Biden noise isn’t an accident:_ > _— CNN: CEO Trump donor_ > _— ABC: CEO Trump donor_ > _— CBS: CEO Trump donor_ > _— NBC: CEO Trump donor_ > _— MSNBC: CEO Trump donor_ > _— Washington Post: owner anti-union billionaire Jeff Bezos_ > _— Wall Street Journal: Owner: Rupert Murdoch_ > _— New York Times: CEO Trump donor.”_ To be fair to the author, Thom Hartmann, the surrounding text is necessary for context (his emphasis): > **So, again, what’s going on here?** > > One proposed answer is that the media is putting their thumb on the scale because they’re largely run by billionaires and corporations eager for more tax cuts and afraid of Biden’s Bernie-like promise to make them “pay their fair share.” > > A popular meme this past weekend that went viral on [social media](https://x.com/lilhulkq/status/1809650539044479360?s=46), for example, says: > > > “The media’s Anti-Biden noise isn’t an accident: > > — CNN: CEO Trump donor > > — ABC: CEO Trump donor > > — CBS: CEO Trump donor > > — NBC: CEO Trump donor > > — MSNBC: CEO Trump donor > > — Washington Post: owner anti-union billionaire Jeff Bezos > > — Wall Street Journal: Owner: Rupert Murdoch > > — New York Times: CEO Trump donor.” > > While not entirely accurate (and overlooking the political leanings of the billionaires who own the social media sites where some studies suggest as many as a [third of us](https://www.pewresearch.org/journalism/fact-sheet/news-platform-fact-sheet/) get our news these days), and with the notorious exceptions of Fox, Sinclair, and X, most media reporting isn’t so simplistically driven from the top down. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509.md?page=11)