# Is the New York Times Pro-Trump? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [June 29, 2024, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509 "2024-06-29T21:31:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/201 "2024-07-14T00:30:30Z")
So he wasn’t saying the New York Times CEO contributes to Trump. He was just asking questions. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/202 "2024-07-14T00:39:00Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > So he wasn’t saying the New York Times CEO contributes to Trump. He was just asking questions . Have a second look at it. The least charitable thing you could say is that he reported that _someone else_ was just asking questions on social media. The context was that Hartmann was outlining an oft-repeated reason people throw out to explain reporting bias. Then he goes on to affirm that this speculation is neither accurate nor explanatory. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/203 "2024-07-14T00:45:31Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > The LA Times piece I just linked to… > > > Why Clooney? > > Most importantly, he’d whip the dangerous Donald Trump easily, probably by a landslide. Paywalled for me, but I take this as a legitimate example. FWIW, I think that unqualified actor candidates can only work for the Republicans. But you can never be certain in these matters. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2024, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/204 "2024-07-14T00:50:20Z")
“George Clooney should run for president” is the exact kind of braindead take I’d expect from someone who’s been living in the media bubble for half a century and fancies themself an official Understander of the Common Man. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/205 "2024-07-16T12:54:41Z")
I might vote for **Amal** Clooney for president but sadly she’s not eligible, what with being a furriner type and all. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2024, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/206 "2024-07-21T22:44:48Z")
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**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2024, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/207 "2024-07-22T13:51:38Z")
And the NYT loses exactly zero time continuing with the doomsaying negativity about a Democrat winning in November - (gift link) [It Still Won’t Be Easy For Democrats To Beat Trump](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/22/upshot/kamala-harris-polls-trump.html?unlocked_article_code=1.9E0.iAhG.z-tHByUisxJp&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c-cb) ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2024, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/208 "2024-07-22T14:09:10Z")
I dunno. It’s kind of self-evident that it’s not going to be easy. There’s nothing wrong with saying that. It’s an unprecedented situation and there’s a lot of uncertainty not only about the election but in the short term on what exactly happens from here. So, at least for now, I’m not seeing anything all that worthy of criticism. Their job is not to be a propagandist mouthpiece for or against candidates or political parties (though I do think they’ve fallen short on the integrity front more than a few times these last couple years). Now, the Times’ complicity in getting us to this moment is totally fair game. I have a vague suspicion they didn’t really think this far ahead and acted like they’d have Joe Biden as a punching bag for at least a few more months, even though many/most of their OP/EDs encouraged this very outcome. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2024, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/209 "2024-07-22T14:14:13Z")
I would agree it won’t be easy but they aren’t even giving the story 24 hours to develop before pushing a negative angle. That headline reads more like an opinion piece than hard news. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2024, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/210 "2024-07-22T14:48:49Z")
Flatly – Kohn looks bad if Trump loses the general election. I’d expect few pollster-commentators (that is, those who do both publicly) that have been forecasting Trump to admit the possibility of a Harris victory. At least not yet. ---
**Author:** ![DETXL](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/detxl/32/19366_2.png) [@DETXL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DETXL)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2024, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/211 "2024-07-22T16:52:30Z")
I’m sure they don’t have to make any calls. The Grey Lady already has her best reporters out on the street, finding some disaffected Twitter engineer with a conspicuously 14-word profile on their socials and a TikTok account dedicated to spreading 8chan blood libel about trans activists, so they can run a soft-focus interview about his family life and his golden retriever and how he totally was going to vote Democrat until “they” decided to run a “divisive” candidate who is “unlikable” for, y’know. _Reasons_. (Sample headline: “In the heart of Silicon Valley, tech elites tire of progressive agenda”) Anyway, the AP today frames it as “[far-reaching accomplishments that didn’t translate into political support](https://apnews.com/article/biden-political-legacy-presidential-election-5aee4f47ecb317d4f6ef2a2148eba1d8)”: > His record includes legislation that will rebuild the country in ways that will likely be seen over the next dozen years, even if voters did not immediately appreciate it. Why voters didn’t appreciate it when the media so objectively covered those far-reaching accomplishments is not a question the AP feels compelled to pose. And in any case the _Times_ is really just chasing eyeballs. The same way the _Washington Post_ has a live tracker counting [who has and has not endorsed Kamala Harris](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/interactive/2024/kamala-harris-endorsements), because they have a vested interest in portraying this as anything other than a fait accompli—a scenario which would, tragically, not require people to click “refresh” on the _Post_’s website any further. ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2024, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/212 "2024-07-23T05:35:09Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > I would agree it won’t be easy but they aren’t even giving the story 24 hours to develop before pushing a negative angle. That headline reads more like an opinion piece than hard news. Biden drops out, endorses Harris. What is the NY Times and any other news outlet supposed to do? Ponder for a week until deciding what to report? Maybe you’re, say under 30, and don’t know what traditional journalism is? Not a criticism. Would not be surprised since the 4th estate is basically DOA. Journalism was still a popular major when I was at University back in the dark ages before the internet, and actually a career. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2024, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/213 "2024-07-23T05:47:53Z")
> [@China\_Guy](#): > > Maybe you’re, say under 30, and don’t know what traditional journalism is? No, no, you don’t get it. You see, when people talk about things like cancel culture, they’re missing the point. It’s just a special case of a more general principle. You see, if any person, any company, any organization, any institution, any media outlet and so on fails to criticize The Enemy for _even an instant_, then _they are_ The Enemy and must be excommunicated. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2024, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/214 "2024-07-23T11:43:47Z")
Actually 61 and I’ve been reading the NYT daily for over 30 years. I’m very clear on what traditional journalism is thanks and what they are doing these days isn’t it. I remember when they were a reliable paper that didn’t carry out the petty feuds of their owner. They went on obsessively about Biden’s age for months BEFORE the dreaded debate. I also remember when they kept opinion pieces on the op-ed page and didn’t try to pass off garbage like Cohn’s opinion piece as news or analysis. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/215 "2024-08-03T19:45:42Z")
They’re still at it; > ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/216 "2024-08-03T19:51:40Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > They’re still at it; Yep, they threatened Harris with the kind of attack they did on Biden if she didnt give them special interview privileges. What is odd about that is that IMHO, trump has never done an interview. trump didnt 'agree" to anything, since no one asked him to do that. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/217 "2024-08-03T21:50:38Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > They’re still at it; What I see is: Trump Backs Out of ABC Debate and Proposes One With Harris on Fox ([https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/03/us/politics/trump-harris-debate-fox-news.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/03/us/politics/trump-harris-debate-fox-news.html)) Headlines are quickly done and then addressed if needed. P…S. Looking at the actual content of the article, it mostly gives the Harris camp’s response (“Mr. Anytime, Anywhere, Anyplace should have no problem with that unless he’s too scared to show up on the 10th,”), then noting that the Trump people haven’t gotten back to the Times yet to comment. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/218 "2024-08-03T22:01:21Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > What I see is: > > Trump Backs Out of ABC Debate and Proposes One With Harris on Fox > ([https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/03/us/politics/trump-harris-debate-fox-news.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/03/us/politics/trump-harris-debate-fox-news.html)) Which it took them several tries to get to; > Just reporting what Trump says uncritically is journalistic malpractice. ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/219 "2024-08-03T22:23:20Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Yep, they threatened Harris with the kind of attack they did on Biden if she didnt give them special interview privileges. What is odd about that is that IMHO, trump has never done an interview. Cite? I am mystified by the interpretation from a few of y’all. Appears to me postulating that if the Times doesn’t come out with rah-rah spin pieces for Biden and now Kamala, then it’s obviously putting fingers on the scale for Trump 2024. I just don’t see it. And NY Times is probably the last national “newspaper” left (one could argue Washington Post and LA Times and maybe USA Today) with a solid bench of reporters that can afford to do investigative reporting. Wire services like Reuters are still out there reporting the basic facts. But the Fourth Estate is crippled and a shadow of it’s pre social media watch dog self. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/220 "2024-08-03T22:43:20Z")
> [@China\_Guy](#): > > I am mystified by the interpretation from a few of y’all. Appears to me postulating that if the Times doesn’t come out with rah-rah spin pieces for Biden and now Kamala, then it’s obviously putting fingers on the scale for Trump 2024. Absolutely noone here is complaining that the Times isn’t “coming out with rah-rah spin pieces”. We’re noticing a consistent pattern of negative articles about the Democratic candidates, their relentless attacks on Biden’s age that crippled his campaign, their consistently spinning news in the worst possible light for Democrats, while failing to hold Trump to similar scrutiny and running maybe one editorial on him for every ten they write about how BIDEN OLD and how unfair and evil and undemocratic it is that they won’t bend the knee to their correspondents. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509.md?page=12)