# Is the New York Times Pro-Trump? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [June 29, 2024, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509 "2024-06-29T21:31:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2024, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/361 "2024-08-31T21:57:27Z")
Re last post, I should not have used the phrase “some posters” and wish to withdraw that statement. ---
**Author:** ![Tride](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tride/32/13907_2.png) [@Tride](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tride)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2024, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/362 "2024-08-31T23:04:28Z")
We quit yesterday, although we signed up for a NYT Cooking subscription. They have a good app. All I was reading anymore was the synopsis of the late night comedians… ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2024, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/363 "2024-08-31T23:36:48Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Based on this thread, I wonder if some posters want not just coverage that leans towards being more favorable to Harris, as is already the case, but actual one-sided coverage that no one except for a partisan Democrat would trust. What I want is coverage that treats Trump like what he is - a compulsive liar, serial adulterer, con artist, rapist, and traitor who is unfit to hold any office under the United States, much less president, and who deserves to spend the rest of his life in prison for his many crimes against this nation and its people. What the Times is offering is “Oh, that Trump! What a CARD!”, followed by “Here’s 27 reasons Harris’ policies are bad and how dare she not give us special access to every minute of her campaign”. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/364 "2024-09-02T20:29:14Z")
NYT: Biden stutters sometimes which means he’s in cognitive decline! LOOK HOW OLD HE IS! OLD OLD OLD! Also the NYT: [![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GWai9GkWsAku_LG?format=png&name=medium) ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GWai9GkWsAku_LG?format=png&name=medium) ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/365 "2024-09-02T21:16:47Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > NYT: Biden stutters sometimes which means he’s in cognitive decline! LOOK HOW OLD HE IS! OLD OLD OLD! > Also the NYT: > > [https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GWai9GkWsAku\_LG?format=png&name=medium](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GWai9GkWsAku_LG?format=png&name=medium) [That Times article](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/01/us/elections/trump-speeches-weave.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Hk4.IIWK.cyJ_egojPg65&smid=url-share) is highly negative, with all three quoted independent experts making snarky anti-Trump comments: > [@](#): > > His campaign did not identify which English professor friends of his had complimented his style. > > “I highly doubt that Donald Trump has any English professor friends,” said Timothy O’Brien, a Trump biographer. > . . . > > James Shapiro, a professor of English at Columbia University and a renowned Shakespeare scholar, ruminated about Mr. Trump’s use of the word: “I read Trump’s comment bragging that ‘I do the weave.’ I take him at his word, as one of the Oxford English Dictionary definitions of ‘weave’ is ‘to pursue a devious course.’” > . . . > > Drew Lichtenberg, a lecturer at Catholic University of America and an artistic producer at the Shakespeare Theater Company in Washington, said that “the closest comparison to what Trump is talking about here in Shakespeare — fragments of unrelated subjects that are woven together — is, of course, Lear’s mad scene at Dover.” ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/366 "2024-09-02T21:45:55Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > [That Times article](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/01/us/elections/trump-speeches-weave.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Hk4.IIWK.cyJ_egojPg65&smid=url-share) is highly negative That’s nice. The majority of people who see the headline won’t be subscribers and won’t be able to read the article, and won’t come away with that interpretation. They know what they’re doing with these headlines. ---
**Author:** ![saje](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saje/32/3631_2.png) [@saje](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saje)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/367 "2024-09-02T21:55:26Z")
When Trump came out with his ‘you won’t have to vote again’ idiocy, I actually wrote a letter to the NYT asking why they didn’t have that as a huge headline, and why they were so soft on Trump overall. The response I got was a lot of blather about articles that did indeed say probing, negative things about him, that they were looking at the broad view, blah, blah, blah. And yes, the articles the responder mentioned were in fact pretty tart, but the headlines that went with them were so bland as to be taken as praise, or even just an offhand observation. Certainly nothing like the focus on Biden’s age and “frailty”. The articles were also all small pieces well down in the paper, not the giant headlines that they should have been if Trump were getting the same scrutiny as Biden. I’ve canceled my subscription. I’ll still read what I can, but I’m not paying for the bilge they’re dishing out. ---
**Author:** ![Tride](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tride/32/13907_2.png) [@Tride](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tride)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/368 "2024-09-02T22:10:38Z")
We cancelled 2 days ago. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2024, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/369 "2024-09-06T11:43:19Z")
Here is the sort of thing that shows the bias: > (sorry, they are large images that would take a long time to type out for those who don’t have Twitter. Maybe someone else has the time.) They went out of their way to take what he said and make sense of it. They don’t report what he said. They report a cleaned up version that makes it seem coherent. They may say they don’t support Trump, but they go out of their way to clean him up and make him more presentable. Now let’s see if they report on the fact that so many of the right wing online commentators were found by the DOJ to be paid by Russia. Or how Trump admitted he lost the election. ---
**Author:** ![saje](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saje/32/3631_2.png) [@saje](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saje)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2024, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/370 "2024-09-06T11:46:21Z")
Even AP news cleaned it up and “translated it”. I’m so disgusted by most of the media right now. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2024, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/371 "2024-09-06T19:30:15Z")
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**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2024, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/372 "2024-09-06T19:56:55Z")
Where did Trump say he was going to fund childcare with tariffs? He was asked a question about childcare and rambled on about tariffs, but I never heard him say the government was going to pay for childcare. Even this criticism of the _Times_ gives Trump more credit than he deserves. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2024, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/373 "2024-09-06T23:14:51Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Where did Trump say he was going to fund childcare with tariffs? He was asked a question about childcare and rambled on about tariffs, but I never heard him say the government was going to pay for childcare. Sane people have parsed trumps insane garbled utterances and turned them into something that is understandable. I dont think trump really meant that. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2024, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/374 "2024-09-06T23:50:40Z")
Well, Trump _does_ state unambiguously that the government will reap so much money from his tariffs that the cost of childcare would be tiny by comparison. The Trump whisperers in the media have turned that into Trump saying that he’ll fund childcare with tariffs, which wouldn’t be an unreasonable inference if a normal politician made such a statement in a response to a question about childcare. Of course, with Trump you can be confident that he has no interest in pushing for legislation that would help regular people out, and that the implication that he might is just there because he senses that people might want to hear that in his answer. So, the NYT cleanup cuts slack to Trump in multiple ways - it parses his answer as if it were coherent, rather than a rambling stream of whatever popped into Trump’s head that he felt was what people might like to hear, and then it takes that parsing as a sincere statement of policy, rather than the completely insincere on-the-spot fabrication that it actually was. ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2024, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/375 "2024-09-07T14:06:58Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > So, the NYT cleanup cuts slack to Trump in multiple ways - it parses his answer as if it were coherent, rather than a rambling stream of whatever popped into Trump’s head that he felt was what people might like to hear, and then it takes that parsing as a sincere statement of policy, rather than the completely insincere on-the-spot fabrication that it actually was. “…rambling stream of whatever popped into Trump’s head…” is right on the money. “…completely insincere on-the-spot fabrication…” actually gives him too much credit here, IMHO. A liar has to have the presence of mind to tell a convincing lie. This wasn’t that—it was almost entirely gibberish and word-salad. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2024, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/376 "2024-09-07T15:22:47Z")
Pretty sure there’s a number of folks at NYT right now that are just cannibalizing the fuck out of their souls. ---
**Author:** ![Tride](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tride/32/13907_2.png) [@Tride](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tride)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2024, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/377 "2024-09-07T16:10:21Z")
Gift link to Alexandra Petri at WaPo: [The Trump Headline Machine!](https://wapo.st/3z9n1Lu) . Funny and accurate as usual! ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2024, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/378 "2024-09-07T20:19:40Z")
(Sigh) “WHY I STILL THINK TRUMP WILL WIN” [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/06/opinion/trump-victory.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/06/opinion/trump-victory.html) ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2024, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/379 "2024-09-07T20:27:07Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > So, the NYT cleanup cuts slack to Trump in multiple ways - it parses his answer as if it were coherent, rather than a rambling stream of whatever popped into Trump’s head that he felt was what people might like to hear, and then it takes that parsing as a sincere statement of policy, rather than the completely insincere on-the-spot fabrication that it actually was. Right. trump never said he would fund childcare with tariffs. When the NYT says that, they are flat out lying. > [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > Pretty sure there’s a number of folks at NYT right now that are just cannibalizing the fuck out of their souls. They sold those years ago. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2024, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/380 "2024-09-08T01:34:32Z")
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