# Is the New York Times Pro-Trump? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [June 29, 2024, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509 "2024-06-29T21:31:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2024, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/381 "2024-09-08T20:45:11Z")
Trump: I will round up and get rid of 5-10% of the US population and it WILL be bloody NYT: Trump is gonna solve the housing shortage! > [![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GW-gjsCXQAA0J_j?format=jpg&name=medium) ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GW-gjsCXQAA0J_j?format=jpg&name=medium) ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2024, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/382 "2024-09-09T03:41:41Z")
> **[From Rambling to Rational: The Media’s Trump Sanewashing Problem](https://newrepublic.com/article/185530/media-criticism-trump-sanewashing-problem)** > > The political press’s efforts to rationalize Trump’s incoherent statements are eroding our shared reality and threatening informed democracy. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2024, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/383 "2024-09-10T01:51:04Z")
I found this example from the NR article of the Times “sane-washing” what Trump said to be a great way of illustrating their dishonesty in covering him: > While speaking at an event put on by the extremist group Moms for Liberty, Trump [spread a baseless conspiracy theory](https://x.com/HausofSylvanis/status/1829904636511469744) that “your kid goes to school and comes home a few days later with an operation,” referring to transition-related surgeries for trans people. In [their write-up of the event](https://www.readtpa.com/p/downplaying-their-bigotry-the-new), a glowing piece about how Trump “charmed” this group of “conservative moms,” the _Times_ didn’t even mention the moment where he blathered on and on about a crazy conspiracy that has and will never happen. WTF. They completely ignored the total insanity of what he said on this topic. WHY? WHY? WHY would they do this unless they have a pro-Trump bias or at least an anti-Harris bias. FFS that is crazy ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Sudan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chad_sudan/32/4509_2.png) [@Chad\_Sudan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chad_Sudan)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2024, 9:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/384 "2024-09-10T09:29:46Z")
I’m glad that the sanewashing is being called out. It is truly insidious. At the same time, I wonder, what’s the _right_ way for a journalist to report something like Trump’s child-care word salad in a news story (not opinion or analysis)? Can we point to anyone in the news media who has figured out how to do that? Keeping one’s own subjectivity out of the story must be a real challenge. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2024, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/385 "2024-09-10T12:45:59Z")
“In a speech today, among a fairly rambling and incoherent message, Trump seemed to repeat the baseless lie that children are receiving gender-affirming surgery in schools.” ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2024, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/386 "2024-09-10T13:46:57Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > How many articles have come out about Trump’s age? I have not been following this thread much. But FWIW: [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/09/us/politics/debate-trump-age-capacity.html?unlocked\_article\_code=1.Jk4.klGJ.BQXDQJmEH8R\_&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c-cb](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/09/us/politics/debate-trump-age-capacity.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Jk4.klGJ.BQXDQJmEH8R_&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c-cb) Not sure why not showing me the preview. Gift link. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2024, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/387 "2024-09-10T13:58:42Z")
Yeah! I saw that today, too. Maybe it’s the start of a trend. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2024, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/388 "2024-09-10T14:46:07Z")
Re last post: No, it is part of a pattern where coverage is properly critical of both candidates. Partisans on both sides do not like it. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2024, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/389 "2024-09-10T15:27:12Z")
Lawrence O’Donnell had a segment on his show- the NYT reported that DJT proposes to pay for child care by taxing foreign nations. He was rightly dumbfounded by the fact that nobody in the NYT objected to that language although they certainly knew that tariffs as not paid by other nations, but by the importer. They deliberately chose to give the reader the impression that Americans would not have to pay for these tariffs. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2024, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/390 "2024-09-10T15:34:51Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > No, it is part of a pattern where coverage is properly critical of both candidates. Except that it’s not, as has been repeatedly demonstrated in this and other threads. Partisans on one side don’t want to acknowledge that. ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Sudan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chad_sudan/32/4509_2.png) [@Chad\_Sudan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chad_Sudan)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2024, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/391 "2024-09-10T16:04:22Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Trump: I will round up and get rid of 5-10% of the US population and it WILL be bloody > NYT: Trump is gonna solve the housing shortage! There are a lot of examples, but this might be Exhibit A of how the media has lost its way. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2024, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/392 "2024-09-10T16:09:05Z")
When there isn’t an equal number of things to criticize but a media outlet criticizes both sides equally to appear (but not actually be) fair, the right loves it ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2024, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/393 "2024-09-10T16:18:48Z")
Is the New York Times pro-Trump? Apparently not: > **['Chilling choice': NY Times reissues scathing condemnation of GOP for...](https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-unfit-2669149875/)** > > The New York Times editorial board declared Donald Trump "dangerous" and "unfit to lead" in a scathing op-ed it republished Monday.The newspaper has drawn strong criticism for seemingly papering over some of Trump's incoherent and outrageous... ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2024, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/394 "2024-09-10T17:41:58Z")
I wouldn’t say they’re pro-Trump. But they’re absolutely piss-poor at this responsible journalism thing in the age of Trump, and that roughly amounts to the same outcome. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2024, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/395 "2024-09-10T18:04:51Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > WHY I STILL THINK TRUMP WILL WIN” That’s meaningless - an op-ed by the NYT’s pet in-house conservative. Ross Douthat replaced Bill Kristol in that role, most large papers in liberal urban areas have at least one. For example the Washington Post has employed George Will for decades. Like a lot of them (see also David French, David Brooks), he’s personally anti-Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2024, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/396 "2024-09-10T18:07:41Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > For example the Washington Post has employed George Will for decades And Marc Thiessen and Ramesh Ponnuru for, not decades, but definitely far too long. Ponnuru is just annoying, but Thiessen is a goddamned nasty weasel, a la the late unlamented Charles Krauthammer. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2024, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/397 "2024-09-10T18:08:14Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Lawrence O’Donnell had a segment on his show- the NYT reported that DJT proposes to pay for child care by taxing foreign nations. He was rightly dumbfounded by the fact that nobody in the NYT objected to that language although they certainly knew that tariffs as not paid by other nations, but by the importer. They deliberately chose to give the reader the impression that Americans would not have to pay for these tariffs. That was an awesome segment last night. I really appreciate O’Donnell’s willingness to call this shit out. He was also the first news commentator to forthrightly call Trump a liar when he lied. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2024, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/398 "2024-09-10T19:38:34Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Is the New York Times pro-Trump? > > Apparently not: > > [https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-unfit-2669149875/](https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-unfit-2669149875/) Apparently so- _The newspaper has drawn strong [criticism](https://www.rawstory.com/trump-childcare/) for seemingly papering over some of Trump’s incoherent and outrageous statements,_ And this is **one Op/Ed,** as opposed to many _front page_ articles of why Biden is too old and must step down. > [@Stratocaster](#): > > But they’re absolutely piss-poor at this responsible journalism thing in the age of Trump, and that roughly amounts to the same outcome. Yep. > [@Tamerlane](#): > > That’s meaningless - an op-ed by the NYT’s pet in-house conservative. Wait a minute. _This_ Op-ed is meaningless, but another Op-ep proves the NYT is nnot pro trump? ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2024, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/399 "2024-09-10T19:53:41Z")
There was in interesting comment from Michelle Goldberg (a Times columnist) on the op-ed page today in this regard. She said: > The media, I realize, has collectively decided that we’re going to treat Trump like a normal political candidate, and while that might be the right call in terms of preserving our journalistic institutions — though I’m genuinely unsure — it obscures the stakes. So some of their folks are well aware what’s happening in this regard. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2024, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/400 "2024-09-10T20:29:40Z")
If Goldberg is unsure, she’s completely missing the point. Covering Trump _as he is_ amounts to proper journalism. Framing him as normal, filtering his comments to sift out most of the crazy, is malpractice. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509.md?page=21)