# Is the New York Times Pro-Trump? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [June 29, 2024, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509 "2024-06-29T21:31:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2024, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/541 "2024-10-20T12:32:35Z")
Outstanding, uh, commentary on complaining about NYT coverage of Donald Trump complimenting Arnold Palmer: [Did Arnold Palmer have a huge cock? An investigation.](https://www.calmdownben.com/p/arnold-palmer-penis-size-fact-check) > [@](#): > > The usual suspects are upset with the NYT and every other news organization for not describing this as “Donald Trump (SICKO) is obsessed with Arnold Palmer’s penis (BECAUSE HE HAS DEMENTIA). Is this the man you want with your finger on the button?[1](https://www.calmdownben.com/p/arnold-palmer-penis-size-fact-check#footnote-1-150464441)” Another day, another example of liberal media critics having a meltdown about reporters not using mean enough language to describe Donald Trump’s daily absurdities. They are so obsessed with making this same complaint over, and over that today, it is actually distracting them from what is actually an entirely fair media criticism of the coverage of this event: no one seems to have tried to find out if it’s true. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2024, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/542 "2024-10-20T13:52:19Z")
This article shows how effective Trump is at summarizing so many of his strengths in response to simple questions. > **[Four of Trump’s Most Meandering Remarks This Week](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/20/us/politics/trump-meandering-remarks.html)** > > The former president says that his style is to “weave” from one subject to the next. Others see something more worrisome in his ramblings. _It was a softball question, from a 10-year-old. Mr. Trump’s response was more of a knuckleball._ _A group of children asked Mr. Trump questions on Friday on “Fox & Friends.” Asked to name his favorite president when he was a child, Mr. Trump at first cited one who was elected when he was 34 (Ronald Reagan). Then he ventured onto surprising terrain, including every child’s favorite subject, the revised NAFTA trade deal known as the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement._ > **DANIEL:** President Trump, I’m Daniel. And I’m 10. And I’m from Tennessee. What was your favorite president when you were little? > > **DONALD TRUMP:** So I liked Ronald Reagan. I thought he was, um, look — I did not love his trade policy. I’m a very good trade — I have made some great trade deals for us — the U.S.M.C.A. That wasn’t his strength, but he had a great dignity about him, Ronald Reagan. You could say, “There’s our president,” more than any of the others. Really, any of the others. Uh, great presidents — well, Lincoln was probably a great president. Although I’ve always said, why wasn’t that settled? You know? I’m a guy that — it doesn’t make sense we had a civil war. > > **BRIAN KILMEADE, “Fox & Friends” co-host:** Well, half the country left before he got there. > > **TRUMP:** Yeah, yeah. But you’d almost say, like, why wasn’t that — as an example, Ukraine would have never happened and Russia if I were president. Israel would have never happened. Oct. 7 would have never happened. As you know, Iran was broke, they wanted to make a deal. I told, “Anybody buys any oil from Iran, it’s, you’re, you’re finished, you know, you can’t deal with the United States.” Nobody was buying oil from Iran. They came, they wanted to make a deal — now they have $300 billion in cash. Biden has been — and her, she’s, I don’t know if she was involved in it, but she’s, she’s terrible. Hey, look, remember this, she was the border czar, she never went there. > > She was border czar and the Border Patrol, the one thing you have to remember, the Border Patrol gave strongest endorsement that anybody has ever seen: He’s the best there is, there has never been — he’s the greatest president, the greatest at the border, and she’s terrible. That was their policy. And these guys are great, by the way. These are great — you know them well from the show. We got the best endorsement and that really says it all. And I think the border is the bigger thing than inflation and the economy. > > You know, I watch your polling where it says the economy and inflation are No. 1, 2. And then it says — always says, like, the three — I think the border is bigger. I got elected in 2016 on the border. I did a great job. I couldn’t even mention it after that because nobody cared because I did — it was fixed. We had a great border. Then they blew it, and I have to do it again. The difference is, it’s much worse this time. Because they are allowing millions of people into the country that shouldn’t be here. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2024, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/543 "2024-10-22T19:34:12Z")
They have many more headlines these days that are showing Trump’s decline and basic insanity, and tons of op-eds now talking about how dangerous he would be as president. It’s too late, of course, with tens of millions having already voted and also too late for this change of narrative to make any difference to voters who aren’t decided, or waffling. But, they are certainly taking a tougher line at this too-late stage. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2024, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/544 "2024-10-25T01:13:24Z")
Sigh, now the LA Times has joined in. > **[Los Angeles Times editorials editor resigns after owner blocks presidential...](https://www.cjr.org/business_of_news/los-angeles-times-editorials-editor-resigns-after-owner-blocks-presidential-endorsement.php)** > > Mariel Garza, the editorials editor of the Los Angeles Times, resigned on Wednesday after the newspaper’s owner blocked the editorial board’s plans to endorse Vice President Kamala Harris for president. “I am resigning because I want to make it clear... and > **[Did the 'L.A. Times' and other news outlets pull punches to appease Trump?](https://www.npr.org/2024/10/24/nx-s1-5163293/la-times-editor-resigns-trump-msnbc-washington-post)** > > Inside the Los Angeles Times, MSNBC, and the Washington Post, journalists question whether news executives are making editorial decisions with an eye to appeasing former President Donald Trump. > **[Did the 'L.A. Times' and other news outlets pull punches to appease Trump?](https://www.npr.org/2024/10/24/nx-s1-5163293/la-times-editor-resigns-trump-msnbc-washington-post)** > > Inside the Los Angeles Times, MSNBC, and the Washington Post, journalists question whether news executives are making editorial decisions with an eye to appeasing former President Donald Trump. **Did ‘L.A. Times’ and NBC pull punches to appease Trump?** **Inside the _Los Angeles Times_, MSNBC, and the _Washington Post_, journalists question whether news executives are making editorial decisions with an eye to appeasing former President Donald Trump.** _Los Angeles Times_ owner Patrick Soon-Shiong, shown in 2012, blocked his paper’s endorsement of Vice President Kamala Harris. The editorials editor resigned, saying the decision made the paper look “craven.”\* > **[Patrick Soon-Shiong](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Soon-Shiong)** > > Patrick Soon-Shiong (Chinese: 黃馨祥; born July 29, 1952) is a South African and American businessman, investor, medical researcher and transplant surgeon. He is the inventor of the drug Abraxane, which is used for lung, breast, and pancreatic cancer. Soon-Shiong is the founder of NantWorks, a network of healthcare, biotech, and artificial intelligence startups; an adjunct professor of surgery and executive director of the Wireless Health Institute at the University of California, Los Angeles; an... _According to [Politico](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politico), Soon-Shiong twice privately met with Donald Trump during his [presidential transition](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_transition_of_Donald_Trump) to unsuccessfully try and get a position in the administration.[[27]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Soon-Shiong#cite_note-:1-27)_ _In October 2024, [Semafor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semafor_(website)) reported that Soon-Shiong blocked the Los Angeles Times from endorsing [Kamala Harris](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamala_Harris) in the [2024 United States presidential election](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election), breaking a chain of presidential endorsements since the [2008 election](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_United_States_presidential_election).[[68]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Soon-Shiong#cite_note-68) The move prompted Mariel Garza, the paper’s editorials editor, to resign in protest.[[69]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Soon-Shiong#cite_note-69) In a statement released on social media, Soon-Shiong confirmed that he had requested the editorial board to not make a presidential endorsement and instead only present information on both candidates side-by-side to let readers make their own decision. Garza gave a statement to [TheWrap](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TheWrap) saying that the board had pitched an endorsement to Soon-Shiong and had been rejected.[[70]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Soon-Shiong#cite_note-70)[[71]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Soon-Shiong#cite_note-71)_ ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2024, 10:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/545 "2024-10-25T10:18:21Z")
The Times says it can’t possibly be pro-Trump because they _only_ ran 300 articles about Hillary’s emails and they did way more articles about 1/6 than that. > **[The New York Times, under fire from Democrats, responds | Semafor](https://www.semafor.com/article/10/24/2024/the-new-york-times-under-fire-from-democrats-responds)** > > The paper has been taking heat, increasingly, from its left. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2024, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/546 "2024-10-25T14:21:50Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > **Did ‘L.A. Times’ and NBC pull punches to appease Trump?** **Inside the _Los Angeles Times_, MSNBC, and the _Washington Post_, journalists question whether news executives are making editorial decisions with an eye to appeasing former President Donald Trump.** One does wonder, do these news executives really believe appeasement works? Of course with someone like Trump they probably figure the Big Baby will just focus on insulting and humiliating the public-facing talent and leave the business side be, more or less. And keeping the business going is all _they_ care about. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Bredin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@John\_Bredin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Bredin)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2024, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/547 "2024-10-25T15:46:59Z")
The online NYTimes this morning is graced with a heading only two down from the main headline: “Could Trump Win the Popular Vote but Lose the Electoral College?” What fresh hell is this?! Trump winning wasn’t enough of a nightmare scenario that someone had to spin an alternative nightmare? A lesser one than Trump pulling a Cleveland, but a nightmare all the same. Harris winning without the popular vote would embolden MAGAts to make January 6 look like a mere skirmish! And it wouldn’t only be Trumpers who’d consider Harris less than wholly legitimate; Democratic sentiment against the Electoral College is based as much on principle as the fact that it handed wins to GOP candidates. So I reluctantly clicked on the headline. The subhead is “It’s not likely, but it’s not something that can be dismissed either, recent polling suggests.” After reminding the reader that the election is close, close, close, as if anyone had forgotten that, Nate Cohn states his thesis: “All of this raises a possibility that few people would have contemplated at the beginning of the cycle: a Trump victory in the national popular vote.” Cohn cites various factors disfavoring Harris in the popular vote, including weak tea like Biden is unpopular (polarization, and Harris isn’t Biden) and most people don’t believe the nation is on the right track (which as often means “you haven’t gone far enough” as “you’ve gone too far”). He wraps up the popular side of the equation by stating “Of course, Ms. Harris could easily win the national vote. Mr. Trump has plenty of his own weaknesses. … But together, there’s more than enough here to make it easy to imagine a Trump popular vote victory.” So far, I’m not impressed. Cohn then cites various factors favoring Harris in the Electoral College battleground states, including Harris doing well with white voters and Democratic wins in 2022 and special elections. But I don’t see why those factors aren’t equally applicable to Harris winning the popular vote. 🤨 Instead of the horse conclusion that Harris wins the popular vote and squeaks through the EC, Cohn hears the zebra of Harris **losing** the popular vote and winning the EC. “Most obviously, the polls still show it: Ms. Harris is still tied in the Northern swing states, even as she’s barely ahead nationally.” I’m no political scientist, but tied in battleground states and barely ahead nationally sounds a lot more like my horse than Cohn’s zebra. About the only thing that Cohn points to that supports Trump winning the popular vote and losing the EC vote is that his gains have been in states where the GOP was already ahead. But it’s all idle speculation, purely academic. 🙄 “I wouldn’t completely write off a Harris win in the Electoral College, even if Mr. Trump narrowly won the popular vote. I’m absolutely not saying it’s likely.” Then what, pray tell, was the purpose of throwing out this idea?! ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2024, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/548 "2024-10-25T15:55:52Z")
> [@John\_Bredin](#): > > Then what, pray tell, was the purpose of throwing out this idea?! Well… > [@John\_Bredin](#): > > I reluctantly clicked on the headline. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2024, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/549 "2024-10-25T16:31:55Z")
The widely believed conventional wisdom is that the GOP EC advantage is roughly 3 points. No better way to illustrate that such is far from written in stone than to make the case that it not only might significantly decrease, but it could even reverse. Maybe it shakes some off their panic that she has lost if she is not at least 3 ahead in the national popular vote. And it gets people reading about why the GOP EC advantage might not be what it was the last two cycles. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2024, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/550 "2024-10-25T16:58:32Z")
> [@John\_Bredin](#): > > What fresh hell is this?! It’s legitimately nothing more than some guy named “Nate Cohn” putting his stake on an unlikely outcome so he can gain insta-cred if this scenario comes to pass. No more than that. Anyway, Keith Olbermann floated this possibility last week on his Ranty-Grandpa-Of-The-Left podcast, so… among the punditacracy… Keith has more of a claim to being able to say “called it!” than Cohn has, if this actually happens. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2024, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/551 "2024-10-25T17:42:19Z")
Speaks for itself. Something is and has been afoot. > **['Washington Post' won't endorse in White House race for first time since 1980s](https://www.npr.org/2024/10/25/nx-s1-5165353/washington-post-presidential-endorsement-trump-harris)** > > The Washington Post declined to make an endorsement in this year's presidential race. Its editorial board has written that GOP nominee Donald Trump is unfit for office. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2024, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/552 "2024-10-25T17:58:57Z")
Not sure why you put his name in quotes, but Nate Cohn is a well respected pollster who is as insightful and accurate as anyone else in the business. The NYTimes polls show different results than most others this cycle, based mainly on how they treat recalled vote from prior elections. They are showing the race basically tied nationally with Harris doing well in the midwest and poorly in the sunbelt. So this isn’t idle speculations (like I assume it is for Olbermann), but a reasonably conclusion from the results they are seeing. Harris could lose the national vote but the blue wall might still hold. As this is outside what others are seeing it makes sense to write about it as a possibility and explain the reasoning. I personally really like how forthcoming Nate Cohn is about his process and results, even if I wish the results were different. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2024, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/553 "2024-10-25T18:46:33Z")
Seriously. He doesn’t need to raise his cred. It is as high as it gets in the election models world, in the top echelon. The NYT model has been for a while discussing how their take on the data shows a closer national vote than many others had been seeing but with a smaller GOP EC advantage, so similar forecasts but different details. I also appreciate the transparency he helps provide to the thought processes behind the models, the various theories of the electorate. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2024, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/554 "2024-10-25T19:40:19Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > One does wonder, do these news executives really believe appeasement works? Surely the leopards won’t eat their faces. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2024, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/555 "2024-10-25T20:06:27Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > Speaks for itself. Something is and has been afoot. Cowards. If trump wins, they know he will retaliate. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2024, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/556 "2024-10-25T21:19:02Z")
USA Today - no endorsement announcement yet, but had endorsed Biden by now (10/20/2020) LA Times - announced will not endorse, endorsed in previous cycles Washington Post - announced will not endorse, endorsed in previous cycles New York Times - endorsed Harris ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2024, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/557 "2024-10-25T21:51:15Z")
P.S. to last post: Chicago Tribune — endorsed Biden 9/25/2020 and has not yet endorsed this year ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2024, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/558 "2024-10-25T21:52:09Z")
Do they even still _have_ an editorial staff? ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2024, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/559 "2024-10-25T21:56:25Z")
If you mean the Chicago Tribune: [Tribune Editorial Board endorsements for the 2024 general election](https://www.chicagotribune.com/2024/10/15/tribune-editorial-board-endorsements-for-the-2024-general-election/) ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/560 "2024-10-26T00:14:55Z")
It was a joke. Like The Trib is. The Trib is a faint shell of what it once was. Alden Global Capital bought it in 2021 and dramatically cut the staff, widely described as having “[gutted newsrooms”](https://news.wttw.com/2024/02/01/more-200-staffers-chicago-tribune-and-6-other-newsrooms-begin-24-hour-strike). The top editors had already left before that. No idea how many people still read it either in print or on line. I know it is a decreasing number. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509.md?page=27) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509.md?page=29)