# Is the New York Times Pro-Trump? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [June 29, 2024, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509 "2024-06-29T21:31:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/561 "2024-10-26T00:55:29Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > The Trib is a faint shell of what it was. Agreed. The point in mentioning them, and the LA Times, and the Washington Post, in this thread, is to draw a contrast to the New York Times. IMHO the progressive meltdown over New York Times principled multisided coverage is out of hand. I know some here disagree with some of those principles, but the fact that NYT’s family-led ownership cares about these principles is why the New York Times is much more likely to remain critical of the administration, in event Trump wins a second term, than the flagships of other news gathering organizations: See: [A.G. Sulzberger, “Journalism’s Essential Value”](https://www.cjr.org/special_report/ag-sulzberger-new-york-times-journalisms-essential-value-objectivity-independence.php) P.S. Of course WaPo is still way better than the Trib. But when Bezos made [this guy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Lewis_(journalist)) the CEO, you could see WaPo had weaker guardrails. ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/562 "2024-10-26T09:36:38Z")
I don’t see much overtly pro-Trump content in the Times, but I do see Trump-voter apologetics, as professedly non-Trumpist opinion writers explain what drives his followers. It would be all right they stayed factually accurate, but they don’t. For instance, yesterday there was this guest opinion piece by one Adam Seessel: [It’s The Inflation Stupid: Why The Working Class Wants Trump Back](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/24/opinion/trump-election-inflation-working-class.html?smid=nytcore-android-share) But here’s the thing. The author writes unequivocally that eggs cost nearly three times as much as they did four years ago, but, well, I bought these yesterday: [![](https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54094699035_960eee4fdd_o_d.jpg) ](https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54094699035_960eee4fdd_o_d.jpg) And I’m damn sure I wasn’t buying 18-count large cage-free eggs for $2.10 in 2020. They were probably cheaper then, but nowhere near as cheap as that. When the price of a basic food almost triples in four years, sure it’s scary. But when a guest opinion writer makes that claim, and the host newspaper doesn’t fact check that claim, that’s plain negligence. If Trump wins it will be just as much because the things we fail to do as it will be because people actually voted for him. And fact-checking at the American newspaper of record is another one of those things. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/563 "2024-10-26T11:52:07Z")
> [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](#): > > And I’m damn sure I wasn’t buying 18-count large cage-free eggs for $2.10 in 2020. The working class isn’t buying cage free eggs. I recall repeatedly getting a dozen large eggs for under 75 cents back then, not on a promotional sale, at Lidl, the discount market we use. Was Walmart higher? Yes, which is one reason why we go to Lidl. Aldi? We do not go there. But that’s a bigger chain and their prices are usually close to Lidl. Those who have to watch every dollar will remember the lowest price. This of course is not the administration’s fault. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/564 "2024-10-26T11:58:59Z")
Yeah, cheap eggs were cheaper, and also more subject to price swings. I’ve been canvassing for the past week, and yes, inflation is the number one reason people cite why they want trump back. I argue that if he gets his tarrifs, inflation is going to be far worse. But people feel they were better off under Trump, and are struggling now. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/565 "2024-10-26T12:19:39Z")
Number two reason is concerns around immigration. The weirdest was a woman who likes trump because “he’s strong, and we need someone strong to stand up to Russia.” ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/566 "2024-10-26T21:08:41Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > The working class isn’t buying cage free eggs. They are in my state, because under a new law that went into effect in Jamuary all eggs sold to consumers are required to be cage-free. It caused a price spike earlier this year when it went into effect ($5/dozen was the going rate for awhile) but it’s come back down significantly since then. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/567 "2024-10-26T21:28:32Z")
Today at my local stores: $2.47 Cage Free Large White Eggs, 12 Count (Walmart) $3.79 Eggs Large Cage Free - 12 Count (Safeway) $3.99 Cage-free Large Brown Grade A Eggs, 1 Doz (Whole Foods) $3.99 Cage Free Eggs - 12 CT (Haggen) $4.99 Pasture Raised Large Brown Eggs 1 Doz (Trader Joe’s) ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/568 "2024-10-26T23:55:16Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > The widely believed conventional wisdom is that the GOP EC advantage is roughly 3 points. No better way to illustrate that such is far from written in stone than to make the case that it not only might significantly decrease, but it could even reverse. Nothing’s written in stone, but if you mean the way the EC can flip the popular vote, the advantage was almost 4.5% in 2020. That was Joe Biden’s edge in the popular vote, but his edge in the six key battleground states that put him over the top was ~315K. In just those states, that amounted to ~1.2 percent of the total votes cast. Measured against the national popular vote of ~156M, 315K works out to 0.2 percent; hardly more than a rounding error. Thanks to the EC, Biden just barely won despite his decisive margin in the popular vote. Had he lost some of those six states, Trump would be wrapping up his second term now and we would have spent the last three and a half years lamenting the fact that he won another election despite a negative popular vote margin of ~6.5M, more than twice what he lost the popular vote by in 2016. ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2024, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/569 "2024-10-27T00:03:01Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > The working class isn’t buying cage free eggs. > > I recall repeatedly getting a dozen large eggs for under 75 cents back then, not on a promotional sale, at Lidl, the discount market we use. Was Walmart higher? Yes, which is one reason why we go to Lidl. Aldi? We do not go there. But that’s a bigger chain and their prices are usually close to Lidl. > > Those who have to watch every dollar will remember the lowest price. > > This of course is not the administration’s fault. I can’t remember ever seeing eggs for 75 cents. Were they small or medium? It’s possible that they just don’t sell the smaller sizes in my region, plus additional regulations on how the eggs are produced, that accounts for it. Seessel actually provides a link about the eggs issue, where you read that much of the price hike was due to covid-related issues, plus an avian flu outbreak which I’d totally forgotten about. Of course these things are hardly the fault of any administration, but it would have been far more responsible if the author had mentioned this in his own article. Anyone reading the article in hard copy wouldn’t have access to the link. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2024, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/570 "2024-10-27T00:28:05Z")
Now the Washington Post, supposedly ready to endorse Harris, is refraining from doing so. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2024, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/571 "2024-10-27T00:33:16Z")
Because Bezos won’t let them. ‘Washington Post’ columnists push back against non-endorsement decision ['Washington Post' columnists push back against non-endorsement decision : NPR](https://www.npr.org/2024/10/26/nx-s1-5166062/washington-post-endorsement-controversy) > A growing number of current and former journalists at _The Washington Post_ are criticizing the legacy newspaper after owner Jeff Bezos decided to withhold a planned editorial endorsement for president for the first time in 36 years. > … > _Post_ editor-at-large Robert Kagan also announced his resignation on Friday following the non-endorsement. In an interview with CNN, Kagan said the move indicated Bezos’ concerning relationship with Trump. “This is clearly an effort by Bezos to try to get on Trump’s good side in advance of his presidency,” he said. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2024, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/572 "2024-10-27T00:41:26Z")
Thread: [The Washington Post: Democracy Dies With Us](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-washington-post-democracy-dies-with-us/1009210) ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2024, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/573 "2024-10-27T02:29:52Z")
I think people here would want a thread with serious discussion, not name calling. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2024, 10:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/574 "2024-10-27T10:30:57Z")
A tiny light still shines in the darkness in which democracy is dying: [the Washington Post’s humor columnist Alexandra Petri personally endorses Harris, and it’s one for the ages.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/10/26/washington-post-endorses-kamala-harris-satire/?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJyZWFzb24iOiJnaWZ0IiwibmJmIjoxNzI5OTE1MjAwLCJpc3MiOiJzdWJzY3JpcHRpb25zIiwiZXhwIjoxNzMxMzAxMTk5LCJpYXQiOjE3Mjk5MTUyMDAsImp0aSI6IjZmNDVhNGI3LTk2NzUtNDQ2Ny1hOTE1LTJlOTc4YWI4YWFmMSIsInVybCI6Imh0dHBzOi8vd3d3Lndhc2hpbmd0b25wb3N0LmNvbS9vcGluaW9ucy8yMDI0LzEwLzI2L3dhc2hpbmd0b24tcG9zdC1lbmRvcnNlcy1rYW1hbGEtaGFycmlzLXNhdGlyZS8ifQ.-e7OOyCCBjp8Hw059JyTEdGNCsm5REJ6MeNHgnETEnI) Sorry - I don’t have a direct subscription to it so can’t offer a gift link. But here’s the heart of it: > [@](#): > > Embarrassingly enough, I like this country. But everything good about it has been the product of centuries of people who had no reason to hope for better but chose to believe that better things were possible, clawing their way uphill - protesting, marching, voting, and, yes, doing the work of journalism - to build this fragile thing called democracy. But to be fragile is not the same as to be perishable, as G.K. Chesterton wrote. > > Simply do not break a glass, and it will last a thousand years. Smash it, and it will not last an instant. Democracy is like that: fragile, but only if you shatter it. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2024, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/575 "2024-10-27T12:45:53Z")
A _NY Times_ article today (gift link below) I find subtly but effectively pro-Trump, because it almost never mentions that ONE SIDE is terrorizing the local protectors of democracy. Reading the article, one would have almost no idea WHO is perpetrating these abominable threats. Every paragraph, and the headline, should include some mention of Republicans/Trumpists/MAGA cultists. > **[Barricades and Bulletproof Glass: A County Prepares for Election Day](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/26/us/elections/election-security-luzerne-county.html?unlocked_article_code=1.VU4.8Xtx.hUpU8EL_uNUV&smid=url-share)** > > With the specter of political violence looming, the Department of Homeland Security has advised hundreds of communities on election safety. Luzerne County, Pa., is at the center of the unrest. Political violence doesn’t just “loom.” SPECIFIC PEOPLE, operating on behalf of a SPECIFIC CAUSE, _perpetrate_ it. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2024, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/576 "2024-10-27T13:34:12Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > A _NY Times_ article today (gift link below) I find subtly but effectively pro-Trump, because it almost never mentions that ONE SIDE is terrorizing the local protectors of democracy. Reading the article, one would have almost no idea WHO is perpetrating these abominable threats. I think they’d have a good idea from this alone. > [@](#): > > Across the country, the doubts and anger ginned up by the spurious election-fraud claims of former President Donald J. Trump have unsettled the once-routine civic task of collecting and counting votes. With the specter of political violence looming, the Department of Homeland Security has advised hundreds of concerned communities on election safety. A good chunk of the remainder of the article centers around the travails of a local official working on election security, who has faced lurid death threats. She’s identified as a Democrat, which makes it prettty easy to connect the dots to who’s threatening her. All in all a fair and factual article. An accompanying, more explicit editorial would have been nice. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 10:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/577 "2024-10-28T10:10:25Z")
The NY Times really has changed it tune in recent days, though. Today, they have an article (not an op-ed) titled: [ Trump at the Garden: A Closing Carnival of Grievances, Misogyny and Racism ](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/27/us/trump-msg-rally.html) Again, it’s probably too late to move the needle, but all of this NY Times bashing about sane-washing may have made a difference there (not the bashing in this thread – it’s all over various media outlets). ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/578 "2024-10-28T12:42:18Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > The NY Times really has changed it tune in recent days, though. If you want one-sided coverage, I think you will be off and on elated and disappointed by the NYT. Is it really necessary to give every article — or, worse, headline — an ideological litmus test? ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/579 "2024-10-28T12:44:44Z")
Not at all! But, their headline writers have really changed their tune in the last week or two, and they have dialed back the sane-washing in a big way. Oh, and calling something that’s insane “insane” is not one-sided coverage. It’s just coverage. Or, substitute “racist” or “unhinged” or “dangerous”, etc. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2024, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/580 "2024-10-29T20:46:45Z")
> **[Over 200,000 subscribers flee 'Washington Post' after Bezos blocks Harris...](https://www.npr.org/2024/10/28/nx-s1-5168416/washington-post-bezos-endorsement-president-cancellations-resignations)** > > Over 200,000 people canceled their subscriptions in the first few days following news that The Washington Post would not endorse any presidential candidate. Both the Washington Post and LA Times have seen massive subscriber cancellations. Looks like the WaPo is looking at a 10% loss in subscribers. I wonder if the NYT has lost many? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509.md?page=28) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509.md?page=30)