# Is the New York Times Pro-Trump? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [June 29, 2024, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509 "2024-06-29T21:31:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2024, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/101 "2024-07-09T22:30:19Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Implausible. Completely plausible. Exposure to NYT headlines goes well beyond the people who read the editorials. Screen caps of the NYT, “To Serve His Country…,” headline were plastered all over the media. Left, right, and center. It’s absurd, to assert that no swing voters are exposed to this non-stop Biden bashing. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2024, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/102 "2024-07-10T00:06:48Z")
And they definitely are having an effect on the more panic prone Democrats in DC, a group that undoubtedly reads the paper daily. I think that is who all of these articles have been aimed at more than any other group. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2024, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/103 "2024-07-10T00:16:43Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Are you paying attention? The NYT is anti-Biden specifically because it does not accept that this is a race where only two candidates can win. They want a non-specific third candidate to be the Democratic Party nominee. Yes, a magic democrat- and everyone has one in mind- but they are all different- Whitmer, Harris, Newsom, Michelle, even Bernie. > [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Completely plausible. > > Exposure to NYT headlines goes well beyond the people who read the editorials. Screen caps of the NYT, “To Serve His Country…,” headline were plastered all over the media. Left, right, and center. Right, This is helping elect trump. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2024, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/104 "2024-07-10T00:44:54Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Yes, a magic democrat- and everyone has one in mind- but they are all different- Whitmer, Harris, Newsom, Michelle, even Bernie. Bernie chosen by Biden delegates? Completely implausible. Whitmer, Harris, and Newsom have close enough ideologies that any debate between them would be a mutual admiration society discussion. I have no idea what Michelle Obama’s policy positions are, but I do know she isn’t going to run. There is no magic. Biden is no longer qualified for one of the world’s hardest jobs, and lacks the ability to convince voters otherwise. The New York Times is recognizing reality. What sucks here is that progressives will blame our leading newspapers if Trump wins, when they were just reflecting reality. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2024, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/105 "2024-07-10T01:02:12Z")
Selling the old house before fining a new one sounds kind of risky to me. And I see that you are still on that “Ignore all other factors-all blame can be laid in one specific direction” kick. Do you not think that blame may come from more than one source? ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2024, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/106 "2024-07-10T01:05:33Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > _snip_ > The New York Times is recognizing reality. Wrong. The NYT is trying to force the reality their publisher and editorial board want because the Biden White House won’t kowtow to them. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2024, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/107 "2024-07-10T04:37:02Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Biden is no longer qualified for one of the world’s hardest jobs, He is, and more qualified than anyone. > [@PhillyGuy](#): > > What sucks here is that progressives will blame our leading newspapers if Trump wins, when they were just reflecting reality. THE ECONOMY IS BAD!!! No, the economy is great. CRIME IS OUT OF CONTROL!!! No, crime is at a low. So- not reflecting reality at all, just parroting GOP Big Lies. The NYT just wants to sell newspapers, and this is juicy, so they are making fake news up. > [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > Wrong. The NYT is trying to force the reality their publisher and editorial board want because the Biden White House won’t kowtow to them. Good point. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2024, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/108 "2024-07-10T05:59:55Z")
No, the New York Times is not pro Trump. That is absurd. Their collective positions reflect an irritation at having their intelligence insulted by Biden’s handlers who insisted and insist that everything was and is fine which the debate, where the theater matters significantly more than the substance, made clear that everything isn’t fine. So, they joined the chorus of those commenting on Biden’s cognitive issues and weird mannerisms. Now that they have, those opinion writers are now invested in their arguments. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2024, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/109 "2024-07-10T17:03:57Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > There is no magic. Biden is no longer qualified for one of the world’s hardest jobs, and lacks the ability to convince voters otherwise. The New York Times is recognizing reality. The problem is that they are only reflecting certain parts of reality. They should absolutely report on Biden’s difficulty at the debate and age-related questions about Biden, but they seem to be reporting nothing else. Yesterday, Biden gave an impassioned speech in defense of democracy at the NATO summit and Trump claimed he didn’t know what NATO was. Today, the NYT has eight Biden is old stories on the front page. > > [@PhillyGuy](#): > > What sucks here is that progressives will blame our leading newspapers if Trump wins, when they were just reflecting reality. Progressives? Really? This is just goofy. I’m not sure you should be commenting on ‘reality’. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2024, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/110 "2024-07-10T18:23:23Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > The question in this thread is whether they are pro-Trump – they aren’t. On the one hand, they’re running a _lot_ of “should Biden drop out” / “Democrat x thinks Biden should drop out” articles. On the other hand, they’ve endorsed Trump’s opponent in 3 straight elections. (They’re on record as saying they will not endorse Trump this year). If they’re “pro-Trump” they’re really playing some 5-D chess. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2024, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/111 "2024-07-10T18:50:55Z")
The NYT has been running “Biden is too old” stories for months, long before the disaster of a debate. IIRC they have been doing this since early 2024. As has been mentioned multiple times they have an axe to grind because the Biden WH hasn’t kowtow to Sulzberger and the editorial board. Now that others are joining in they appear determined to punish the Democrats and the nation by turning their “Biden Is Horrible!” BS up to 11. Their behavior is shameful and verges on traitorous given what will happen if Biden stays in the race and loses. And I see nothing to make me think he will budge. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2024, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/112 "2024-07-10T19:05:05Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Yesterday, Biden gave an impassioned speech in defense of democracy at the NATO summit and Trump claimed he didn’t know what NATO was. > > Today, the NYT has eight Biden is old stories on the front page. Yep, the NYT is pro trump. It doesnt think it is, but in effect it is. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2024, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/113 "2024-07-10T19:08:02Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > On the one hand, they’re running a _lot_ of “should Biden drop out” / “Democrat x thinks Biden should drop out” articles. > On the other hand, they’ve endorsed Trump’s opponent in 3 straight elections. (They’re on record as saying they will not endorse Trump this year). > If they’re “pro-Trump” they’re really playing some 5-D chess. Simply, the NYT is pro-Democrat but anti-Biden. (At least, for now.) They want some other D running against Trump. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2024, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/114 "2024-07-10T19:51:14Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > They want some other D running against Trump. But they wont say who. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2024, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/115 "2024-07-10T19:58:45Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > If they’re “pro-Trump” they’re really playing some 5-D chess. They say they oppose Trump, but they are doing things that help Trump every single day. When a poster here claims, “I’m no fan of Trump,” but in every single post they disparage those who oppose Trump, do you take that poster at his or her word that they are anti-Trump? The NYT is doing pro-Trump things even though they are saying, “I’m no fan of Trump.” ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2024, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/116 "2024-07-10T20:00:54Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > The NYT is doing pro-Trump things even though they are saying, “I’m no fan of Trump.” Yes, working constantly against Biden is working for trump. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2024, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/117 "2024-07-10T20:03:25Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > > [@Velocity](#): > > > > They want some other D running against Trump. > > But they wont say who. I don’t think the Sulzberger cabal really cares who it is just so long as they kowtow and genuflect properly, ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2024, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/118 "2024-07-10T20:08:40Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > I don’t think the Sulzberger cabal really cares who it is just so long as they kowtow and genuflect properly, Well, you may have a point. 🤪 ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2024, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/119 "2024-07-10T20:28:40Z")
Somebody else is way more popular than any specific person. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2024, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509/120 "2024-07-10T20:58:21Z")
Thank you- my point exactly. Many nevertrumpers are holding out for that “someone”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-new-york-times-pro-trump/1003509.md?page=7)