# Is the Pope Catholic? Jerome Corsi questions this Pope's Catholicism
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-pope-catholic-jerome-corsi-questions-this-popes-catholicism/669209
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [September 19, 2013, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-pope-catholic-jerome-corsi-questions-this-popes-catholicism/669209 "2013-09-19T04:47:36Z")
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### Author:  [@antonio107](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/antonio107)
#### Post date: [September 21, 2013, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-pope-catholic-jerome-corsi-questions-this-popes-catholicism/669209/41 "2013-09-21T03:49:49Z")
Father Gabe Costa is a Catholic priest, and noted Sabermetrician.
Lamewads who try Sabermetrics and advanced stats in hockey are a big fan of Corsi numbers. They suck.
Coincidence? I think NOT!!!1!!one
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### Author:  [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)
#### Post date: [September 21, 2013, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-pope-catholic-jerome-corsi-questions-this-popes-catholicism/669209/42 "2013-09-21T04:13:46Z")
> [@dropzone](#):
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> Fourth, bro. Part of the whole Extreme Unction package.
Funny how that sounds so much like “Extreme Sanction” (see Stephen King’s [_Firestarter_](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firestarter)).
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### Author:  [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)
#### Post date: [September 21, 2013, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-pope-catholic-jerome-corsi-questions-this-popes-catholicism/669209/43 "2013-09-21T04:15:35Z")
> [@antonio107](#):
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> Lamewads who try Sabermetrics . .
Is that where you measure the length of a guy’s sabre?
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### Author:  [@antonio107](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/antonio107)
#### Post date: [September 21, 2013, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-pope-catholic-jerome-corsi-questions-this-popes-catholicism/669209/44 "2013-09-21T05:00:54Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#):
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> Is that where you measure the length of a guy’s sabre?
Since I can’t spot sarcasm on the interwebz until they come up with a Firefox plugin for that…
[http://www-math.bgsu.edu/~albert/papers/saber.html](http://www-math.bgsu.edu/~albert/papers/saber.html)
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### Author:  [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)
#### Post date: [September 21, 2013, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-pope-catholic-jerome-corsi-questions-this-popes-catholicism/669209/45 "2013-09-21T11:41:31Z")
> [@Bricker](#):
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> Corsi believes that oil is generated by the Earth itself, as opposed to being the remains of biological material.
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> His opinions on the Pope’s Catholicity may safely be discarded.
He was also the guy who led the Swiftboating of John Kerry back in 2004.
Truly a Renaissance douche.
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### Author:  [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)
#### Post date: [September 21, 2013, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-pope-catholic-jerome-corsi-questions-this-popes-catholicism/669209/46 "2013-09-21T12:36:56Z")
This reminds me of the way certain Americans believe that America is always right and good and not to be questioned, unless the wrong people (e.g. the Kenyan Usurper) are running it, and that there’s a True America composed of right-thinking Americans, and doesn’t include places like Massachusetts and San Francisco, or people like the faculty at most universities, or all those black rappers and such.
So now Corsi is similarly trying to define Pope Francis as being outside the universe of True Roman Catholics. I find that amusing.
I see that Corsi’s piece is published in the World Net Daily, which is to political journalism as the Weekly World News used to be to scientific journalism. Appropriate.
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### Author:  [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)
#### Post date: [September 21, 2013, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-pope-catholic-jerome-corsi-questions-this-popes-catholicism/669209/47 "2013-09-21T18:55:27Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#):
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> Technically, the priest doesn’t administer the sacrament of matrimony to the bride and groom. They administer it to each other in his presence. Of course, I’m pretty sure if they try to do it without him, like Tony and Maria in _West Side Story_, it’s not kosher, so to speak. And he needs to be there as a witness and representative of the county, city, state, whatever.
Those are two different (if often concurrent) marriages, valid under different legal sets. The one which is recommended to have a priest as a witness is under canon law (and not necessarily recognized by civil law), the one with a government representative as witness is under civil law (and not necessarily recognized by canon law).
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### Author:  [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)
#### Post date: [September 21, 2013, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-pope-catholic-jerome-corsi-questions-this-popes-catholicism/669209/48 "2013-09-21T19:28:41Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#):
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> This reminds me of the way certain Americans believe that America is always right and good and not to be questioned, unless the wrong people (e.g. the Kenyan Usurper) are running it, and that there’s a True America composed of right-thinking Americans, and doesn’t include places like Massachusetts and San Francisco, or people like the faculty at most universities, or all those black rappers and such.
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> So now Corsi is similarly trying to define Pope Francis as being outside the universe of True Roman Catholics. I find that amusing.
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> I see that Corsi’s piece is published in the World Net Daily, which is to political journalism as the Weekly World News used to be to scientific journalism. Appropriate.
You misspelled World Nut Daily.
Don’t worry, it’s a common mistake.
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### Author:  [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)
#### Post date: [September 21, 2013, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-pope-catholic-jerome-corsi-questions-this-popes-catholicism/669209/49 "2013-09-21T21:08:47Z")
> [@dropzone](#):
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> IIRC, by the end of eighth grade I had been trained to, in case of emergency, perform every sacrament except Matrimony and Holy Orders. I knew some older girls who had to get married right away, but not so soon that they couldn’t wait for a priest.
Waitaminnit, in RCC doctrine, doesn’t it take a priest, ordained by a bishop in the apostolic succession, to administer valid sacraments other than baptism? Can an eighth-grader really be authorized to turn bread into the body of Christ?
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### Author:  [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)
#### Post date: [September 21, 2013, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-pope-catholic-jerome-corsi-questions-this-popes-catholicism/669209/50 "2013-09-21T22:15:23Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#):
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> Can an eighth-grader really be authorized to turn bread into the body of Christ?
Hey, it’s easy to _do_, you know, a real snap. So they’ve _got_ to authorize the kids to do it, otherwise you’d have all these unauthorized pieces of God floating around. And then, the next thing you know, some touchy-feely librul becomes Pope. 😃
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### Author:  [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2013, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-pope-catholic-jerome-corsi-questions-this-popes-catholicism/669209/51 "2013-09-22T00:00:22Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#):
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> Waitaminnit, in RCC doctrine, doesn’t it take a priest, ordained by a bishop in the apostolic succession, to administer valid sacraments other than baptism? Can an eighth-grader really be authorized to turn bread into the body of Christ?
Transubstantiation isn’t a sacrament, the sacrament is in the receipt of the body/blood (bread/wine) - and the RCC has had civilians doing that for a long time now.
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### Author:  [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2013, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-pope-catholic-jerome-corsi-questions-this-popes-catholicism/669209/52 "2013-09-22T01:30:24Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#):
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> I like that the holier-than-thou Corsi is on his second wife. (Mel Gibson was another Catholic for whom the Pope wasn’t Catholic enough, and then he divorced his wife and shacked up with his girlfriend.)
Gibson’s father was the one who sort-of-separated from the Roman Catholic Church, though I believe he remained a Catholic. It was not Gibson himself.
Here’s one I didn’t know until a few minutes ago: Mel Gibson’s father was a Jeopardy! Tournament of Champions winner.
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### Author:  [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2013, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-pope-catholic-jerome-corsi-questions-this-popes-catholicism/669209/53 "2013-09-22T01:58:59Z")
> [@RickJay](#):
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> > [@Dewey\_Finn](#):
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> > I like that the holier-than-thou Corsi is on his second wife. (Mel Gibson was another Catholic for whom the Pope wasn’t Catholic enough, and then he divorced his wife and shacked up with his girlfriend.)
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> Gibson’s father was the one who sort-of-separated from the Roman Catholic Church, though I believe he remained a Catholic. It was not Gibson himself.
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> Here’s one I didn’t know until a few minutes ago: Mel Gibson’s father was a Jeopardy! Tournament of Champions winner.
Here’s an article from The New York Times about Mel Gibson’s involvement in the [Catholic traditionalist movement](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditional_Catholic) and the [church](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_Holy_Family_%28Agoura_Hills%29) that he built in Southern California.
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### Author:  [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)
#### Post date: [September 27, 2013, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-pope-catholic-jerome-corsi-questions-this-popes-catholicism/669209/54 "2013-09-27T15:29:11Z")
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> Jerome Corsi questions this Pope’s Catholicism
“Where’s the long form baptismal certificate?”
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### Author:  [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)
#### Post date: [September 27, 2013, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-pope-catholic-jerome-corsi-questions-this-popes-catholicism/669209/55 "2013-09-27T15:48:31Z")
> [@bup](#):
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> I get the frustration. Where’s a Christian who enjoys exclusion supposed to go?
There’s always the Protestants. 😉
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### Author:  [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)
#### Post date: [September 27, 2013, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-pope-catholic-jerome-corsi-questions-this-popes-catholicism/669209/56 "2013-09-27T16:00:29Z")
Actually, one doesn’t even have to be Catholic to become The Dude In The Funny Hat. All that is required is that the candidate be 1) male and 2) baptized a Christian.
I fit that bill. I should become the next Pope.
😃
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### Author:  [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)
#### Post date: [September 27, 2013, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-pope-catholic-jerome-corsi-questions-this-popes-catholicism/669209/57 "2013-09-27T16:40:59Z")
> [@Folacin](#):
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> Transubstantiation isn’t a sacrament, the sacrament is in the receipt of the body/blood (bread/wine) - and the RCC has had civilians doing that for a long time now.
So, what, the kit includes a supply of pre-transubstantiated hosts?
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### Author:  [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)
#### Post date: [September 27, 2013, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-pope-catholic-jerome-corsi-questions-this-popes-catholicism/669209/58 "2013-09-27T16:56:01Z")
> [@Sparky\_the\_Wonder\_Spirit](#):
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> OK, there are seriously still [antipopes](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conclavism#Conclavist_antipopes) running around? How delightfully medieval.
Oh, that’s lovely. This one was my favorite.
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> In 1990, Teresa Stanfill-Benns and David Bawden of Kansas in the USA, called for a conclave to elect a pope. They publicised their request around the world, but only six people participated in the election. On July 16, 1990, the six gathered in Belvue, Kansas, and elected Bawden who took the name Pope Michael.
> [@RTFirefly](#):
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> . . . otherwise you’d have all these unauthorized pieces of God floating around. . . .
Is that why some churches are called Assembly of God?
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### Author:  [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)
#### Post date: [September 27, 2013, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-pope-catholic-jerome-corsi-questions-this-popes-catholicism/669209/59 "2013-09-27T17:18:13Z")
> [@](#):
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> Quoth **BrainGlutton** :
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> So, what, the kit includes a supply of pre-transubstantiated hosts?
There isn’t generally a “kit” for the Eucharist: The typical case is that the laypeople (called Eucharistic Ministers) go to Sunday mass, the priest consecrates the bread and wine, the Eucharistic Ministers go up to the altar and get the cups and bowls of bread, and then along with the priest distribute them to everyone else in the congregation.
That said, if you have a relative who can’t make it to church, or if you’re going to be traveling and won’t be able to make it, you can request a few pre-consecrated hosts from the priest. They’re carried in a little container called a pix, that looks like a locket. You can in principle get the wine pre-consecrated, too, but that’s a bit more problematic logistically, so usually communion away from the church is just the bread.
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### Author:  [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)
#### Post date: [September 27, 2013, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-pope-catholic-jerome-corsi-questions-this-popes-catholicism/669209/60 "2013-09-27T17:56:40Z")
Eucharistic ministers will also bring the host to Catholics in the hospital, or nursing homes, etc. Used to be mainly priests who did that (where I grew up anyway), but the priest shortage has outsourced that function as well.
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