Is the Rise of Donald Trump a Positive Development?

Republicans do it too. Never said they didn’t.

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I think its too early to say

Best case scenario, the American people soundly reject Trump and all he stands for. In order the save what remains of their brand the Republicans undergo a thorough house cleaning and come out the other side as a more moderate truly conservative party that can appeal to those in favor of traditional values and small government without the rapant Xenophobia and fear mongering they currently pander to, and the political landscape becomes once again the fight for the center.

Worst case scenario. Even if he doesn’t actually win the Nomination, the unprecedented success of Trumps campaign, is seen as an case study in the value of reaching towards the lowest common denominator, and rejecting civil discourse. For the next several elections following the Trump model is as de rigueur as wearing a navy blue suit, red tie and flag pin to the debate.

Since I think the probabilities favor those results more similar to the later scenario than the former scenario, I am voted for Liberal/Negative.

Your worst case scenario is not Trump winning?

I am progressive and I would welcome all these possibilities. The reaching downward and dirtyward is established and already a given among the bad pols. It’s been a matter of concern and despair since the fairness doctrine went out. With Fox news behind it.

But anything that puts Fox on it’s heels must be fresh air, to me. Trump is just an underlining and bolding that was really necessary to actually see what’s happening with the lights on.

I notice there are a lot of conservative liberals here. It’s not positive to see Republicans humiliating, insulting, complaining about each other, and their whole scheme for domination fall apart? What’s a little Trump compared to that?

What do you have to say about weekend warrior play-militias, the gun-nut crew who were defending that rancher who didn’t want to pay for grazing his cattle on Federal land, suspicious arsons of mosques, and physical assaults on Muslim-looking people?

Bundy was the guy’s name.
http://www.irehr.org/2014/04/17/bundy-standoff/

And excuuuse me… I meant “second amendment enthusiasts” rather than “gun nuts”.

Just what America needs: a bigoted and vitriolic narcissist whose entire campaign is reducible to childish ad hominem and malignant fear-mongering and who openly boasts of being eager to commit crimes against humanity. One of the better statements about Donald Trump came from Republican hawk Senator Lindsey Graham who wrote …

To characterize his campaign as “a tremendously positive development” would be comical were it not so irresponsibly ignorant.

Trump is a deep-cover fnord-artist for Operation Mindfuck.

I would say that Trump was just a degree beyond the others in the mix… But he is actually better on many issues. In any case, you’d have to be a republican not to appreciate the effect this is having on all of them.

This kind of dialogue and debate about what is civil and what is fear mongering, and who is qualified to be prez, and when is a candidate even serious about what he is saying, etc etc, has not happened before for all the years that we have gotten into this situation. We are like frogs in a pan on the stove. He just raised the temperature 15 degrees and people don’t like it a bit. Guess what…we were already there.

Name three.

Good grief! :rolleyes:

He has a point, Trump didn’t invent the racism and xenophobia and sexism, they were always part of the GOP. He is only openly saying the exact same things they have hinted and implied and dog whistled at for the past several decades. That doesn’t make him “worse”, he is just exposing what was always there.

That’s why his followers like him; he “tells it like it is” in an out-loud voice, and they find that refreshing.

Yeah I wouldn’t consider the kvetching of a loser of a warmonger who couldn’t consistently get above 1% in the polls, any sort of an authoritative source.

Social Security/Medicare, infrastructure, and the Iraq War.

I think Cliven Bundy is an idiot. However, as far as I know he didn’t burn down other peoples shit or kill anyone because he was mad*.

Of course, burning mosques or attacking Muslims is wrong.

However, if you actually look at the violence done in the name of political causes, the liberal side is much more violent in the last 20 or 30 years. Period.

Here is the Wikilist of civil unrest incidents in the U.S.

Take a look at the list. There are two major themes, one is there are a lot more sport riots than one would expect. The second is that pretty much all the riots that are political in nature are from the left. And they like to break things and burn shit.

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  • Two nutjobs who went to the Bundy ranch (and were kicked off the ranch, according to Bundy) killed a couple cops in Las Vegas. However, the police concludedthat the couple acted alone.

One of the biggest strongholds of Democratic voters in terms of percentages of voters are inner cities. You honestly believe that the dysfunctional inner cities are paragons of feminism and progressive ideology?

I see they conveniently omitted anti-abortion violence:

All committed by religious zealots in the name of god.

Go on…

That sounds like half of a complete thought. Something missing or at least wildly incoherent.

Dems shouldn’t be so quick to throw the "dat’s racist!, sexist, homophobic " slander at members of the GOP when their own party is infested with bigots. Some of the most segregated places I’ve lived were in blue states, near blue cities. The myopic self righteousness is tiresome from the left.

Oh pshaw. That’s it? You think red and blue too much. I no longer see it. I am committed to a practice of anti-hate triage wherever I see it. That means I separate it into three groups of severity, and deal with the worst first. And the right is loudly advertising that they are the worst. Therefore they will be answered, and answerable, FIRST. No equivalencies, brother.

I should ask for a cite on 'infested with bigots"

Wow. 7 murders in a decade, nationwide. That’s a slow month in Chiraq or Baltimore.