# Is the Social Justice Movement Racist? (Content note: Mentions of rape) **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 26, 2015, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-social-justice-movement-racist-content-note-mentions-of-rape/716055 "2015-03-26T19:49:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-social-justice-movement-racist-content-note-mentions-of-rape/716055/101 "2015-03-28T22:30:07Z")
> [@Unreconstructed\_Man](#): > > Sure, have at it. I’m sure there are other examples but it’s late where I am and I don’t fancy digging them up right now. I’d be interested to see what you think of this example first. Okay. jsgoddess already addressed both points, but I’ll reiterate them. 1. A rhyme talking about sex in raunchy and objectifying terms is NOT the same as a rhyme talking about committing specific violence against a specific woman who has already been the object of that sort of violence. The latter is far more disturbing, and it’s bizarre that you’d suggest otherwise. 2. As I linked to above, Lil Wayne comes in for plenty of criticism. Of course that particular song might not have, but overall there’s no dearth of criticism of Lil Wayne for his ugly lyrics. And a third point: can you find anyone who condemns Eminem but defends Lil Wayne? Your thesis would predict the existence of such people in significant numbers. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2015, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-social-justice-movement-racist-content-note-mentions-of-rape/716055/102 "2015-03-29T14:20:00Z")
> [@Unreconstructed\_Man](#): > > Jesus, I _don’t_ think the social justice movement is “bad and wrong”! I’ve said that about five times. Can none of you people fucking read? Of course we can read. That’s why we all read your OP - including the part where you said this: > [@Unreconstructed\_Man](#): > > Is the Social Justice (SJ) movement racist? Honestly, I’m not sure. I’m trying to puzzle it out. My gut instinct tells me that, yes, the SJ movement is racist. However, I need to qualify what I mean by ‘racist’. I don’t think the SJ movement is overtly racist. I don’t even think that it’s _consciously_ racist. Those are your words, very first paragraph, announcing that your gut instinct tells you that the social justice movement is racist. Of course, you’re Just Asking Questions. I suppose it’s another of those “coincidences” that Just Asking Questions is a laughably transparent bit of dishonest argument. > [@](#): > > Look, Merneith, I’m not going to bother addressing this drivel point by point because you’re clearly determined not to believe me. Luckily, the integrity of my argument doesn’t depend on my ability to justify myself to you. The “integrity of your argument” is the flatulence of your gut microflora. One of us is bringing citations in this thread and one of us isn’t. Everyone here can see who that is. Tell you what - to make Left Hand’s challenge a little narrower, see if you can find an instance of Anita Sarkeesian or Jessica Valenti defending Eminem but condemning Lil’ Wayne. They’re the people who you chose for your example of racism. Start with them. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2015, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-social-justice-movement-racist-content-note-mentions-of-rape/716055/103 "2015-03-29T14:22:44Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > Tell you what - to make Left Hand’s challenge a little narrower, see if you can find an instance of Anita Sarkeesian or Jessica Valenti defending Eminem but condemning Lil’ Wayne. I think you mean the opposite, right? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2015, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-social-justice-movement-racist-content-note-mentions-of-rape/716055/104 "2015-03-29T16:13:37Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I think you mean the opposite, right? Right. The OP is saying that the social justice types condemn Eminem and ignore or defend Lil Wayne because they hold white people to a higher standard, which makes the social justice types racist. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2015, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-social-justice-movement-racist-content-note-mentions-of-rape/716055/105 "2015-03-29T16:25:05Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I think you mean the opposite, right? Right, Right … no, LEFT! LEFT! ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2015, 7:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-social-justice-movement-racist-content-note-mentions-of-rape/716055/106 "2015-04-01T07:51:19Z")
> [@Unreconstructed\_Man](#): > > You’re misrepresenting me. I specifically said in my OP that I identify “As someone who believes in social justice”. I specifically said in post 24 that I name checked Sarkeesian and Valenti because their work is relevant to this particular topic insofar as they’re both critics of rape culture. I used the term “Social Justice” because, while the term “Social Justice **Warrior** ” _is_ pejorative, a great many progressives who campaign for social justice refer to themselves as advocates for _social justice_. > > Shodan was asking what the social justice _movement_ was, not what a social justice _warrior_ is. I was answering the former, you were answering the latter and then imputing motives to me that I don’t hold. > > Stop that. The problem with that is that the only people calling the social justice movement racist or sexist are the people who refer to them as “social justice warriors.” Without those priors, your question seems nonsensical. Of course people who hate racism would not be promoting racism. * * * Also, in defense of those who use the term SJW, it originally was not supposed to mean anyone who fights for social justice. The term refers to those who constantly go around turning everything into a social justice issue, getting wildly angry at even the slightest hint. I’m talking the type of person who would say we are supporting the patriarcy becasue Cecil Adams is a man and not a woman. And because of that they would flame out on this board. Of course, such a term is easily used as a form of vilification of those with legitimate social justice concerns. In fact, it may have been coined for such a circumstance. But the concept does describe someone who exists. One of the issues I point out to GamerGate is that they are pretty much full of SJWs. (The other is that Anita Sarkesian is only big in game journalism due to the Streisand Effect. I so want to make an image Macro that has Anita Sarkesian saying “Your Hate Only Makes Me Stronger!”) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-social-justice-movement-racist-content-note-mentions-of-rape/716055.md?page=5)