Is the South Side of Chicago the baddest part of town? [ANSWERED BY CECIL]

The South Side gets a reputation as being one undifferentiated slum, but, as mentioned elsewhere, you have good neighborhoods and bad ones. I’ll try to share the wisdom I’ve gained as a longtime south side resident. But if you don’t believe me, you can check for yourself using the CPD’s crime-mapping tools (http://gis.chicagopolice.org/).

The South Loop (Near South Side) has changed very dramatically in the last decade. It’s as safe as Lincoln Park, I’d say. To the south, Douglas isn’t bad to about 31st Street, but clumsy urban renewal projects from the '60s left very little retail along the streets, which means there’s no street life, which means that you’re a little more likely to be a victim on the street than elsewhere. South of 31st, things get sketchier.

Bridgeport is perfectly fine. McKinley Park and Canaryville (part of the New City community area) look worse than they really are. Armour Square (what’s left of it - most of the neighborhood was demolished to build the Dan Ryan and the US Cellular Field parking lot) and Chinatown are pretty safe.

Grand Boulevard is rough, though the stretch along King Drive is very pretty. Oakland is too depopulated to be good or bad. Back of the Yards (the rest of New City) was never a good area.

Hyde Park, where I live, is very nice. The University of Chicago circled the wagons about 40-50 years ago and saved the neighborhood from a spiral of decay through its own private police force, incentives to get faculty and staff to live in the area, and aggressive (and controversial, and not always smart) urban renewal. I have no problem walking alone through Hyde Park at night. South Kenwood is the same; north Kenwood isn’t great but it’s getting there.

(Incidentally, I had a friend who absolutely refused to visit me in Hyde Park because she thought it was too “ghetto.” I checked the CPD database, and it turned out that her supposedly safer street in Ukrainian Village had double the crime of almost anywhere in Hyde Park.)

Woodlawn has come back from the brink, but it has a ways to go. The areas not patrolled by the U of C Police are not good. Washington Park is bad; I’m hoping that the Olympics will inspire/shame the city into doing something about that. Englewood is the worst place on south side, IMO, but you’re unlikely to be a victim of crime merely driving down 55th/Garfield.

South Shore looks nicer than it really is, which is shame, because it looks really nice; the neighborhood changed from almost entirely white to entirely black between 1960 and 1970 without the strife and disinvestment that accompanied that process in many other neighborhoods at the time. I have no problem walking around the area near Jackson Park during the day, but I’d be more circumspect at night.

Grand Crossing? Forget about it.

Chatham is hit or miss. Parts are quite nice, but the western half goes downhill pretty quickly. Here the city gets more middle-class and a bit suburban, and so the crime rate tapers off a bit. Calumet Heights is a little nicer still. South Chicago (the neighborhood) is worse, much worse, but the stretch along the lake is nice.

Roseland and West Pullman are very rough, but Pullman itself is like a little oasis of safety. It’s a little gritty, though, but there’s some talk that the (now vacant) Pullman headquarters building might someday serve as Obama’s presidential library, which might cause the rest of the neighborhood to have some grit sandblasted off.

Mt. Greenwood is okay, from my understanding, and Beverly is very safe. Washington Heights is a smidge better than Roseland, but not by much.

I’ve never been to Hegewisch (it’s on my list), but my understanding is that it’s pretty safe. East Side is less so, but it could be worse.

In conclusion: worse than the North Side, not as bad as the West Side, but it really depends on the neighborhood. Don’t fear Hyde Park or Bridgeport, stay the hell away from Grand Crossing and Englewood.

P.S. Everywhere I’ve gone, I feel pretty safe in my car, especially during the day; carjackings are pretty rare here.

Nice job, benjamin.

Your post also addresses the problem of the media terming everything the South Side. The same thing doesn’t happen on the north side, where every neighborhood is always referred to by its semi-official name. But get a shooting at 66th and Lawrence (or whatever) and they just call it “the South Side.”

Part of this is a lot of areas not having real names and boundaries (as opposed to, say, Bridgeport or Kenwood), but part of it is media coverage. It’s easier to say murder, south side, than to explain where it is and let people get an accurate idea of where is bad or okay.

Heh. Just reminded me of the directions I used to give people to my parents’ house from downtown Chicago, about twenty years back. “Take Ogden Avenue west,” I began, " and at the first stop sign, turn left …" Sadly, that first stop sign (at Ogden/Naperville Road/U.S. 34 and Washington Avenue in Oswego, ~60 miles from the Loop), has been upgraded to a stoplight, so I can’t use that one any longer. :frowning:

I totally agree! Born and raised here, the one thing you learn is how to look through people. Stare right through them. Not at them. Through them. There’s a difference. The worst thing you can do, is avoid eye contact and look down at the ground or away, they are like dogs, they can smell fear. You have to have an attitude that you own the place, that you been there a million times before, it’s your turf, no matter what. Good call. Otherwise, yeah Benjamin pretty much nailed it. And there really isn’t an east side, even though some people down there really want to claim that there is. Sorry, no east side, try again.

I spent many years living in the city. I went to school at IIT (between 35th St and 31st St) back in the 90’s. That was when Stateway Gardens and the Rober Taylor Homes were still around just south of 35th St. I was in a fraternity and was much closer to 35th St than anyone in the dorms. When the first nice days of spring came around and we went to sleep with our windows open, we could count gunshots. Not quite as relaxing as counting sheep, let me tell ya!

One Sunday evening in December, my dad was bringing me back from our south suburban home on the Dan Ryan and the car sprang a massive oil leak just before the local lanes started (I don’t remember the street name). We pulled off and parked along the street. I left my dad surveying the damage under the hood as I walked about a block to the gas station. There were about 5 customers there and they all turned to look as I, probably the only white guy in about a 10 block radius, walked in. No one looked like a gang banger and I figured that we were still a few miles south of the housing projects, so I wasn’t too worried. I bought some oil and took it back to my dad. We didn’t trust getting back on the highway and drove the rest of the way up State St., right through the heart of the beast. Within a couple of weeks, my parents joined AAA.

I knew a couple of people that got mugged at knife point on the green line platform at 35th St.

There was a shoot out on campus once.

While the Green Line was shut down for repairs, I walked out to the red line in the middle of the Dan Ryan to go visit my friend at Loyola. I was shot at from a high rise as I walked (then sprinted) down 35th street.

The IIT tower along 35th st, directly across from the highrise where someone shot at me, had bulletproof windows on that side because they kept getting shot out otherwise.

When I moved in with my buddy up at Loyola, we lived in Roger’s Park (I had a car, he didn’t). The worst I can say about that is that the parking was horrible. If I had to stay late at school, I’d have to park 4 or 5 blocks away from my apartment building. And we had roaches.

Then I moved to Bridgeport and had no problems whatsoever. I really enjoyed living there, even with all the Sox fans.

An interesting story: Before I moved in with my friend up by Loyola, he lived a few other guys in an apartment right on the lake. The street he lived on ended about 20 feet from the lake. The nearest street sign said the street was W. Suchandsuch St.(I don’t remember the actual street name). I looked east over the lake and laughed at the designation of “west” when there was no “east” Suchandsuch St.

Chicago is divided into South, West, and North Sides, yes. However, the East Side community area I mention has been around (and known as such) since at least the early 1900s, if not longer. There is and has been for over a hundred years a part of Chicago known as the “East Side.” It’s just north of Hegewisch, abutting Indiana. My point was that one can refer to the East Side and not mean the Lake, but that area.

This has been answered (or at least, addressed) by Cecil: http://chicago.straightdope.com/sdc20090409.php

Consequently, I’ve edited the thread title (added the words [ANSWERED BY CECIL] and I’m moving this thread to the forum for discussions related to a SD-Chi column, since that’s now what it is.

There are plenty of rough spots on the South Side. And there was just some article published (NYT?) listing the worst 25 neighborhoods in the US, and 5 of 'em were on Chicago’s South Side. My personal belief is that Austin (West Side) is way worse than any South Side hood, but that it doesn’t get the bad rep/statistics due to lack of arrests, because the cops don’t even really go there.

And Ninja, you gotta be kidding me. The Loop is closed on Sundays (and Saturdays, and after 7pm on weekdays) but the city is not. I hope on your next visit to my beautiful city, you’ll get out of the Loop and River North and come into the neighborhoods. I’ll even buy you a bloody.

Doesn’t sound like either one of you guys has been to the Loop in a while. It was pretty deserted after hours in the 1980s, but nowadays you find a fair number of people on the street at most times. I was in the West Loop yesterday afternoon (a Sunday); people all over.