# Is the United States government hiding the existence of ET visitations? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 8, 2019, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178 "2019-02-08T15:09:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/21 "2019-02-08T16:35:41Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Nowadays almost every adult on Earth has a high quality camera in their pocket at all hours, and yet there’s no more photographic evidence of aliens, UFOs, or other extraterrestrial visitors than there was 20 or 50 years ago. Yep. I like a good conspiracy theory story, but this “UFOs are real” one is too silly to take seriously even as a hypothetical. ---
**Author:** ![Kamaski](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9d8465/32.png) [@Kamaski](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamaski)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/22 "2019-02-08T16:38:00Z")
there is plenty of video of craft flying through the air which defy the laws of physics online video. I suggest you try YouTube. I like the videos taken with the old style camcorders before were had smartphone video, but smartphone/digital video is a lot better quality. ---
**Author:** ![Grim\_Render](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@Grim\_Render](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grim_Render)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/23 "2019-02-08T16:38:15Z")
> [@Kamaski](#): > > Do I have evidence? Yes? The thousands of eyewitnesses all over the earth who saw it with their own eyes and have recorded their testimony. And the thousands of pilots who have seen these advanced extraterrestrial craft flying with their own eyes since human beings first took flight. > > years of disbelief disappear the moment you see it with your own eyes. > > “Yes, there have been ET visitations. There have been crashed craft. There have been material and bodies recovered. There has been a certain amount of reverse engineering that has allowed some of these craft, or some components, to be duplicated. And there is some group of people that may or may not be associated with government at this point that have this knowledge. They have been attempting to conceal this knowledge. People in high level government have very little, if any, valid information about this. It has been the subject of disinformation in order to deflect attention and create confusion so the truth doesn’t come out.” > Edgar Mitchell, Apollo 14 astronaut Why? What do they gain by keeping the “truth” secret, that is in any way comparable to what they’d gain from revealing it? ---
**Author:** ![Kamaski](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9d8465/32.png) [@Kamaski](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamaski)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/24 "2019-02-08T16:40:03Z")
There’s almost a mountain of evidence because there are so many pictures/videos even going back years. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/25 "2019-02-08T16:41:48Z")
> [@Kamaski](#): > > Have we been visited by extraterrestrials and the government/military-industrial complex is hiding this knowledge because they don’t want free energy technology/the cure for cancer getting out to the public. If they were being hidden, it is either because said aliens want to be hidden, or because knowing about them would cause panic. they’d sell free energy and medical technology to the private sector, not hide it. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/26 "2019-02-08T16:44:40Z")
And if someone in government had found out about aliens, who do you think it would be? Presumably it’s be the folks in NASA, the agency which pretty much spends all of its time doing spacey stuff. But the kind of person who goes to work for NASA as a career is exactly the kind of person who would _not_ keep quiet about aliens. They’re the kind of person who would absolutely love nothing more than to be able to say “Yes, they’re out there, and we’ve found them”, because that would be _ **totally cool** _. NASA doesn’t keep _any_ secrets. All data from all NASA missions is released in its entirety to the public at most one year after it’s collected. ---
**Author:** ![Kamaski](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9d8465/32.png) [@Kamaski](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamaski)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/27 "2019-02-08T16:48:13Z")
> [@Grim\_Render](#): > > Why? What do they gain by keeping the “truth” secret, that is in any way comparable to what they’d gain from revealing it? The people who sell weapons can profit from the endless weapons sales and the military-industrial-financial complex. The car makers who sell cars which run on petroleum can also profit. There’s a reason why the US took out Saddam when he tried to sell oil in Euros. Basically all the big corporations which control the system can continue to make money while the little people starve. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/28 "2019-02-08T16:51:34Z")
> [@Kamaski](#): > > The people who sell weapons can profit from the endless weapons sales and the military-industrial-financial complex. The car makers who sell cars which run on petroleum can also profit. > > There’s a reason why the US took out Saddam when he tried to sell oil in Euros. > > Basically all the big corporations which control the system can continue to make money while the little people starve. And why could they not do that, if they were the ones in control of this magical new technologies? ---
**Author:** ![Kamaski](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9d8465/32.png) [@Kamaski](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamaski)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/29 "2019-02-08T16:59:01Z")
Nikola Tesla had the key to free energy in his hands in 1943. His apartment in the Hotel New Yorker was stormed by the FBI and his documents were seized by the FBI under J Edgar Hoover. The FBI kept these documents hidden for seventy years, they contain the key to free energy. I think of the years between 1943 and 2013 as lost years. We could have had free energy back then, by the oil men couldn’t have it. ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/30 "2019-02-08T17:00:52Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I doubt that he did - we don’t spend $2.1T on defense even now, let alone in 2001. You might be confusing Don Rumsfeld with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 2001 with 2018, and $2.1T with $21T. No, this ties back to 9/11 conspiracy theories. Rumsfeld did make a speech, just days before 9/11, that there was $2.1T of spending, over decades, that could not be properly accounted for. He was talking about antiquated government accounting systems that couldn’t pull all that info up from a centralized location. There was no implication that we don’t know what it was spent for, or that it was hidden somehow, just that our accounting systems had all of the info to track it buried in paperwork or incompatible computer databases. The nuts took his words to mean that there was $2.1T in spending that were sooper-seekrit. > [@Kamaski](#): > > The Russians invented the military intelligence tactic of “maskirovka” which means to put a mask over something. It means to throughly disinform/propagndandize/misinform/fake news your enemy. > > FOX, CNN, NBC carry the maskirovka tactic into the 21st century. Hey, what about the SDMB?!? Surely we’re part of this conspiracy too! ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/31 "2019-02-08T17:01:16Z")
> [@Kamaski](#): > > Nikola Tesla had the key to free energy in his hands in 1943. > > His apartment in the Hotel New Yorker was stormed by the FBI and his documents were seized by the FBI under J Edgar Hoover. > > The FBI kept these documents hidden for seventy years, they contain the key to free energy. > > I think of the years between 1943 and 2013 as lost years. We could have had free energy back then, by the oil men couldn’t have it. Did Telsa get the free energy from UFOs, or was Telsa an alien? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/32 "2019-02-08T17:03:02Z")
> [@Kamaski](#): > > Nikola Tesla had the key to free energy in his hands in 1943. > > His apartment in the Hotel New Yorker was stormed by the FBI and his documents were seized by the FBI under J Edgar Hoover. > > The FBI kept these documents hidden for seventy years, they contain the key to free energy. > > I think of the years between 1943 and 2013 as lost years. We could have had free energy back then, by the oil men couldn’t have it. I don’t care about your wild handwaving “mountains of evidence!!” vagaries. What is the _single_ best piece of evidence you’ve got to support your supposition? ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/33 "2019-02-08T17:05:18Z")
> [@Kamaski](#): > > Nikola Tesla had the key to free energy in his hands in 1943. > > His apartment in the Hotel New Yorker was stormed by the FBI and his documents were seized by the FBI under J Edgar Hoover. > > The FBI kept these documents hidden for seventy years, they contain the key to free energy. > > I think of the years between 1943 and 2013 as lost years. We could have had free energy back then, by the oil men couldn’t have it. So, it was released six years ago? Have you built your prototype yet? ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/34 "2019-02-08T17:05:42Z")
> [@CurtC](#): > > No, this ties back to 9/11 conspiracy theories. Rumsfeld did make a speech, just days before 9/11, that there was $2.1T of spending, over decades, that could not be properly accounted for. Here’s a reference [The War On Waste - CBS News](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-war-on-waste/) “According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions,” Rumsfeld admitted. " ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/35 "2019-02-08T17:11:29Z")
> [@Andy\_L](#): > > Here’s a reference [The War On Waste - CBS News](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-war-on-waste/) > “According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions,” Rumsfeld admitted. > " So while us ignorant rubes thought it was evidence of incompetency and/or larceny, The Enlightened Ones Among Us knew it was evidence of a vast conspiracy involving aliens, oil barons and the like. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/36 "2019-02-08T17:12:39Z")
> [@Kamaski](#): > > Nikola Tesla had the key to free energy in his hands in 1943. > > His apartment in the Hotel New Yorker was stormed by the FBI and his documents were seized by the FBI under J Edgar Hoover. > > The FBI kept these documents hidden for seventy years, they contain the key to free energy. > > I think of the years between 1943 and 2013 as lost years. We could have had free energy back then, by the oil men couldn’t have it. What does this have to do with aliens? ---
**Author:** ![Kamaski](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9d8465/32.png) [@Kamaski](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamaski)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/37 "2019-02-08T17:22:14Z")
I honestly don’t even like the term alien because we all live in the same universe (or do we?). However of the interdimimensial beings as higher than us and yes I think they do have advanced tech and craft , which has been hidden from us. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/38 "2019-02-08T17:23:54Z")
> [@Kamaski](#): > > I honestly don’t even like the term alien because we all live in the same universe (or do we?). However of the interdimimensial beings as higher than us and yes I think they do have advanced tech and craft , which has been hidden from us. Where did you acquire this information and, once again, what is the single best piece of evidence you’ve got? ---
**Author:** ![Randolph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Randolph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randolph)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/39 "2019-02-08T17:29:07Z")
Youtube, apparently. ---
**Author:** ![sciurophobic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cab0a1/32.png) [@sciurophobic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sciurophobic)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/40 "2019-02-08T17:31:35Z")
It sure is convenient that aliens have chosen to land here rather than the other 94% of Earth’s landmass so that our government could keep it secret. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178.md?page=3)