# Is the United States government hiding the existence of ET visitations? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 8, 2019, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178 "2019-02-08T15:09:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/81 "2019-02-08T21:45:33Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > [The Battle of Los _Angeles_](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Los_Angeles) was nothing more than a weather balloon coupled by a shit-ton of overactive imagination. Now, now. Which is more likely - that humans overreact, or that aliens came to the Earth, and 1940s technology was able to defeat them (or is the story that firing off tons of artillery were fired to decrease attention on the UFO?) > [@kunilou](#): > > Dude, you’re the one who said it was the FBI under the direction of J. Edgar Hoover. If you can’t keep your own conspiracy theory straight, how I’m I supposed to? I think he’s talking about this [Office of Alien Property Custodian - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Alien_Property_Custodian) - a department of the government involved in confiscating property of citizens of enemy nations (“aliens” in the same way that Bob Hope was an alien (he used to say “Where does an alien go to register around here?” - referencing the fact that he was born in the UK)) ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/82 "2019-02-08T22:26:46Z")
> [@sciurophobic](#): > > Either they’ve been spotted all over the world, or the USG is hiding them. It can’t be both. Why would the United States Gypsum Corporation be interested in hiding aliens? ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/83 "2019-02-08T22:44:48Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > Why would the United States Gypsum Corporation be interested in hiding aliens? No, I think those initials refer to the US Coast Guard, which of course deals with aliens all the time. Speaking of which, I can’t help notice that the two things that aliens always have – and confirmed by the OP – is unlimited free energy and a cure for cancer (they also appear to have access to higher dimensions, though it’s not clear what that’s good for, if anything). For some reason the US government is bound and determined to put a stop to this sort of thing, apparently wishing us all to pay through the nose for energy and then die of cancer. I would point out as a public service that there are said to be thousands of aliens right now on the other side of the Rio Grande and elsewhere along the Mexican border, presumably each and every one of them bearing free energy and a cure for cancer (not to mention access to many exciting new dimensions) and what’s the US government doing? Yelling at 'em to go back where they came from, that’s what! It has always been thus, and it’s no wonder they periodically attack us with death rays from flying saucers, as depicted in numerous 1950s documentaries. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/84 "2019-02-08T22:47:22Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > (they also appear to have access to higher dimensions, though it’s not clear what that’s good for, if anything). Garbage disposal, illegal gambling and mancaves. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/85 "2019-02-08T23:29:10Z")
> [@Kamaski](#): > > Yes, Tesla was a genius. Tesla produced some very good work in the 19th century. He did next to nothing of lasting import in the 20th century. The mundane reason is that he didn’t bother to keep up with advancing theory and substituted his own beliefs. Most objective observers think he suffered from serious mental illnesses that consumed him. It’s as certain as the sun rising in the east tomorrow that he never had free energy. > [@](#): > > I believe he got “hints” in his dreams on how to achieve free energy from higher dimensional beings/ETs. > > Just like how James Clerk Maxwell and Einstein talked about having vivid dreams where they took their inspiration from. > > I think the gift of electromagnetic theory was gifted to Maxwell in his dreams from a higher dimension/ETs. Holy fuck. This is exactly as true as the hypothesis that the reason Tesla deteriorated after 1900 is that aliens came to earth and lobotomized him because he was a threat to their cosmic hegemony. ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2019, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/86 "2019-02-09T01:20:54Z")
> [@Kamaski](#): > > . . . I believe he got “hints” in his dreams . . . Just like how James Clerk Maxwell and Einstein talked about having vivid dreams . . . . It’s a fact of human physiology that when one focuses intensely on a subject or action over weeks and months, one will begin to dream about that subject or action. I, personally, once had a temp job stuffing envelopes under a moderately extreme quota. By the third week, I was doing the job in my sleep. Vividly. No one was surprised to hear about it and no one speculated that unearthly beings were causing the dreams. The only difference between my dreams and their dreams is that physicists and inventors tend to focus on unanswered questions, rather than moving pieces of paper. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2019, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/87 "2019-02-09T03:12:43Z")
> [@Kamaski](#): > > Yes, Tesla was a genius. > > I believe he got “hints” in his dreams on how to achieve free energy from higher dimensional beings/ETs. > > Just like how James Clerk Maxwell and Einstein talked about having vivid dreams where they took their inspiration from. > > I think the gift of electromagnetic theory was gifted to Maxwell in his dreams from a higher dimension/ETs. If dreams reveal things in higher dimensions, then from my dreams higher dimensions must contain a bunch of hot space babes. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2019, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/88 "2019-02-09T03:17:47Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > The aliens came to Tesla to get free energy, duh. No they came in a Tesla. The one Musk sent back. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2019, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/89 "2019-02-09T03:20:24Z")
> [@Kamaski](#): > > I think the whole “the public will panic” narrative fed to us for years was always a terrible cover story. The real reason is plain and simple, GREED. Enormous amounts of greed. > > Greed so bad that it causes one part of the plant to live in abject poverty while the other part of the planet “thrives” (doesn’t actually thrive). > > In the US alone the wealth inequality is enormous and ridiculous. We should have ended this injustice years ago. You realize wealth inequality long predates the US? Or were the aliens in Rome also. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2019, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/90 "2019-02-09T03:24:28Z")
> [@Kamaski](#): > > By the way it’s not just the United States govt, its many world govts, including Russia, China. > > The US simply has a monopoly on technology, or at least wants to maintain its monopoly. There was the CEO of a software company in Silicon Valley who thought that semiconductor technology came from aliens. In particular Intel got it. Now I worked for Intel and I never saw one alien. That I was sure of. And if the aliens gave us the technology they seemed to dole it out at about the same rate it could be developed without them. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2019, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/91 "2019-02-09T03:26:03Z")
> [@Andy\_L](#): > > I think he’s talking about this [Office of Alien Property Custodian - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Alien_Property_Custodian) - a department of the government involved in confiscating property of citizens of enemy nations (“aliens” in the same way that Bob Hope was an alien (he used to say “Where does an alien go to register around here?” - referencing the fact that he was born in the UK)) The Firesign Theatre single had a bit about all aliens must register. Anyhow, maybe it explains Trump’s wall. The aliens all land in Mexico, and Trump wants to keep them out. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2019, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/92 "2019-02-09T03:35:27Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > There was the CEO of a software company in Silicon Valley who thought that semiconductor technology came from aliens. In particular Intel got it. > Now I worked for Intel and I never saw one alien. That I was sure of. And if the aliens gave us the technology they seemed to dole it out at about the same rate it could be developed without them. That’s because Gordon Moore is an alien. He brought the technology with him and doled it out in specific doses (he limited semiconductors to doubling every two years.) His law was benevolent - he wanted to make sure the human software industry could keep up. Then Bill Gates came along, neither quite human or completely alien, and screwed everything up. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2019, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/93 "2019-02-09T04:14:31Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > No they came in a Tesla. The one Musk sent back. They didn’t come in a Tesla, they came in a shiny tin thing resembling the lid of an oversized garbage can, but with death-ray emitters sticking out all over. Musk gave them a Tesla [and sent them back in it](https://www.whereisroadster.com/). Like unwanted house guests and fish, aliens start to stink after about three days. It was the only way he could get them to fucking leave. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2019, 9:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/94 "2019-02-09T09:21:24Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > No they came in a Tesla. The one Musk sent back. If aliens came in my Telsa, I’d send it back too. ---
**Author:** ![Kamaski](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9d8465/32.png) [@Kamaski](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamaski)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2019, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/95 "2019-02-09T14:21:43Z")
Isn’t your brain a more a more complicated electrical system than any that we can currently think of, what frequency are brain waves excactly? A trillion hertz? I think the the electrical systems we currently have are primitive compared to the human brain. Isn’t the human body an elctro-mechanical systems after all? I’m trying to relate Maxwells Eqautions to he human brain. But we don’t understand the fully, so its diffricult. I honestly think the brain is as unexplored as the universe, and the govt doesn’t want us using our brain fully, they would rather have us fight each other and live in fear. Yes Im not a good speller. Seeing as the world is governed mostly by non-linear partial differential equations the things we “know” are the very tip of the iceberg. 99.9% of reality is non-linear PDEs, true? We only know how to solve a couple of these with computer methods. Think about how the pendulum swings when you release it from a high angle off center. Rumsfeld was on to something when said there were Known Knowns, Known Unkowns and Unkown Unkowns. The sky being blue is a a Known Known The other plants and the universe is a Known Unkown The nature of the brain/real nature of reality is a Unkown Unkown ---
**Author:** ![road\_lobo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d78d45/32.png) [@road\_lobo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/road_lobo)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2019, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/96 "2019-02-09T15:11:41Z")
> [@Kamaski](#): > > The Russians invented the military intelligence tactic of “maskirovka” which means to put a mask over something. It means to throughly disinform/propagndandize/misinform/fake news your enemy. “All warfare is based on deception.” - Sun Tzu ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2019, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/97 "2019-02-09T15:27:36Z")
After interacting with government workers on several occasions, I can tell you they could not start a conspiracy to get people to not drink poison. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2019, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/98 "2019-02-09T16:29:29Z")
> [@Kamaski](#): > > Isn’t your brain a more a more complicated electrical system than any that we can currently think of, what frequency are brain waves excactly? A trillion hertz? Wow. An actual factual question that science has answered. [Frequency of Brain Waves](https://hypertextbook.com/facts/2004/SamanthaCharles.shtml) alpha 8-12 Hz beta \> 13 Hz delta 3 Hz theta 4-7 Hz There are no prefixes. Brain waves are in the single or double digits of Hertz, not a trillion. Basic physics makes that trivially true. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2019, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/99 "2019-02-09T18:39:02Z")
> [@Kamaski](#): > > The Russians invented the military intelligence tactic of “maskirovka” which means to put a mask over something. 😕 Why didn’t they just call if “mask”?" It means the same thing, and it uses six fewer letters to spell, and three fewer syllables to say. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2019, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/100 "2019-02-09T18:47:52Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > If aliens came in my Telsa, I’d send it back too. That is a problem. No engine noise to cover the moaning. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178.md?page=6)