# Is the United States government hiding the existence of ET visitations? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 8, 2019, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178 "2019-02-08T15:09:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2019, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/121 "2019-02-11T00:25:21Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > You know, if the ETs took some dick pix they’d be all over the web in an instant. Kittens are alien dongs! ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2019, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/122 "2019-02-11T07:55:42Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Are there any conspiracy theories out there that you _don’t_ support? I don’t _think_ he’s mentioned Bigfoot yet. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2019, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/123 "2019-02-11T22:50:16Z")
The thing that gets me is that many other countries out there would also have to keep things a secret. Think about countries like Russia, China, and North Korea. What would they do with such information. How about Europe? Would would France or Switzerland say? ---
**Author:** ![Kamaski](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9d8465/32.png) [@Kamaski](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamaski)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2019, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/124 "2019-02-12T00:38:28Z")
Has anyone looked into the work of Dr. Greer and the Disclosure Project? He seeks to release the UFO files from all world governments. He claims this is a high level conspiracy, Illuminati/Bilderberg group type stuff. But many of his witnesses are quite convincing. I’ve watched his documentary unacknowledged and it’s quite good, I think many of the hard core conspiracy types are hoping that president Trump will release all the UFO files because he’s an outsider. They claim Bill/Hillary woundnt do it because they are NWO. I’m not so sure. He also has claimed that the reverse engineering of UFO craft happens deep underground, so it wouldn’t be able to be detected by satellites. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2019, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/125 "2019-02-12T01:12:59Z")
> [@Kamaski](#): > > He also has claimed that the reverse engineering of UFO craft happens deep underground, so it wouldn’t be able to be detected by satellites. Point to one technology that we can’t trace from the very earliest days of fumbling amateurism to today’s level. One. I’m not asking for much. One technology in which a leap occurred, that has to be attributed to alien technology instead of basic human slogging. One. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2019, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/126 "2019-02-12T01:21:48Z")
> [@Kamaski](#): > > He claims this is a high level conspiracy, Illuminati/Bilderberg group type stuff. You and Greer pretty much lost everyone here with this. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2019, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/127 "2019-02-12T01:32:06Z")
I love threads like this. Besides the obvious fun, they give me a chance to say I was once probed by an alien. I know she was an alien cuz she showed me her green card. Come to think of it, can any of you prove that Trump’s wall isn’t really to keep Greys in Mexico? ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2019, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/128 "2019-02-12T01:33:09Z")
> [@Kamaski](#): > > He also has claimed that the reverse engineering of UFO craft happens deep underground, so it wouldn’t be able to be detected by satellites. Or perhaps under a very large tarp. ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2019, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/129 "2019-02-12T04:17:38Z")
> [@Kamaski](#): > > . . . Isn’t the human body an elctro-mechanical systems after all? . . . The body is mostly biochemical, with some of the chemical reactions being electrochemical. The mechanical bits, that is, the way that muscles and bones work together, don’t seem to be giving anyone anything to get het up about. But then, biomechanics is usually done by engineering types who figure that the mechanics equations are all old and well-established and it’s just a matter of arguing over how best to apply them. So you’ll get articles arguing that when doing a knee replacement, the new joint should be kinematically aligned, but nothing in those articles would be of interest to anyone looking for ammunition in an argument about aliens. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2019, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/130 "2019-02-12T06:22:48Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I doubt that he did - we don’t spend $2.1T on defense even now, let alone in 2001. You might be confusing Don Rumsfeld with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 2001 with 2018, and $2.1T with $21T. Also, Ms. AOC doesn’t know what the hell she is talking about. Speaking of not knowing what they’re talking about - [Actually, Rumsfeld claimed they couldn’t account for $2.3T.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU4GdHLUHwU) Relevant quote is just past the one minute mark. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2019, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/131 "2019-02-12T07:29:03Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > Come to think of it, can any of you prove that Trump’s wall isn’t really to keep Greys in Mexico? Of course it is. See post 91. ---
**Author:** ![Brayne\_Ded](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Brayne\_Ded](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brayne_Ded)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2019, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/132 "2019-02-12T11:40:46Z")
> [@Kamaski](#): > > there is plenty of video of craft flying through the air which defy the laws of physics online video. I suggest you try YouTube. > > I like the videos taken with the old style camcorders before were had smartphone video, but smartphone/digital video is a lot better quality. Try YouTube? Hahahahahahahaha… It’s time for a reality check. The home for basket cases who only get to air their views because video technology has got so simple to use. YouTube is a media landfill; it accepts all the garbage that is dumped onto it. YouTube as a news organization? Sure. No reviewing, no checking of facts. Color me skeptical. It has been said before, but I’ll say it again: if aliens really have landed and given us advanced technology, then WTF is it? Any who could market that stuff would be rich on an unimaginable scale. So who is hiding it and why? The US military? They would gladly give their balls to have unlimited free energy. ---
**Author:** ![Brayne\_Ded](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Brayne\_Ded](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brayne_Ded)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2019, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/133 "2019-02-12T11:48:14Z")
> [@Kamaski](#): > > Yes, Tesla was a genius. > > I believe he got “hints” in his dreams on how to achieve free energy from higher dimensional beings/ETs. > > Just like how James Clerk Maxwell and Einstein talked about having vivid dreams where they took their inspiration from. > > I think the gift of electromagnetic theory was gifted to Maxwell in his dreams from a higher dimension/ETs. Tesla was a genius, but he did not produced anything major in his later years. Conspiracy? He died at 87. The actuarial evidence is that that is not a good age. There has never been any evidence that he was working on anything by then. Again, a reality check. If Tesla had really had something, in wartime, he would have given it to a grateful government. Or, the other side of the coin, Hoover finds out (HOW?) that Tesla just happened to have free energy all sewn up and does a Watergate on him. So howcum the USA did not suddenly have unlimited energy? I’ll say it again. This was in wartime. This was when they had problems getting enough electricity for Oak Ridge. Unlimited energy could be used to make synthetic fuels. But none of this happened. Nor has anyone come up with anything close to this since then. There are far more engineers around than in Tesla’s time. We know far more about physics than was known back then. But we still haven’t cracked it/ ---
**Author:** ![Brayne\_Ded](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Brayne\_Ded](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brayne_Ded)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2019, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/134 "2019-02-12T11:53:13Z")
> [@Kamaski](#): > > By the way it’s not just the United States govt, its many world govts, including Russia, China. > > The US simply has a monopoly on technology, or at least wants to maintain its monopoly. This gets better. Three competing groups that hate each other, get to share alien technology? I don’t know too much about aliens - heck, who genuinely does? - but I’ll hazard a guess on the basis of what i know about human beans. Which country got such technology first would use it to fry any other country that did not surrender pronto. If we are just talking about sightings of a purported ET, then I can see that all three keep such things a military secret, for whatever reason. But all we seem to get are curious sightings. That’s still a long way from “take me to your leader and I’ll give him some jaw-dropping technology”. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2019, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/135 "2019-02-12T11:53:58Z")
Unless their is some amazing tech out there we are just simply too far away from other planets for them to be able to come hare and if they did, it would probably be a colonization ship from a dying world. I think their are some strange things flying around but I dont think they are from other planets. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2019, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/136 "2019-02-12T15:15:26Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Point to one technology that we can’t trace from the very earliest days of fumbling amateurism to today’s level. One. I’m not asking for much. One technology in which a leap occurred, that has to be attributed to alien technology instead of basic human slogging. One. I present, the [Retro Encabulator](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXJKdh1KZ0w). We didn’t even know that side fumbling _should_ be effectively eliminated, much less how to do so. It is possible the presenter is an alien as well. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2019, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/137 "2019-02-14T03:14:05Z")
> [@Kamaski](#): > > The Russians invented the military intelligence tactic of “maskirovka” which means to put a mask over something. It means to throughly disinform/propagndandize/misinform/fake news your enemy. Go read The Man Who Never Was. The Soviets hardly invented the tactic, (even if they coined a word for it). ---
**Author:** ![x-ray\_vision](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/x-ray_vision/32/351_2.png) [@x-ray\_vision](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/x-ray_vision)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2019, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/138 "2019-02-14T04:42:13Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Go read The Man Who Never Was. The Soviets hardly invented the tactic, (even if they coined a word for it). The Man Who Never Was was based on a deception that occurred in 1943. Maskirovka as a term and doctrine is older than that, so reading the book wouldn’t prove anything. But of course deceiving the enemy in general has been around forever. ---
**Author:** ![slash2k](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@slash2k](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slash2k)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2019, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/139 "2019-02-14T05:22:34Z")
> [@x-ray\_vision](#): > > The Man Who Never Was was based on a deception that occurred in 1943. Maskirovka as a term and doctrine is older than that, so reading the book wouldn’t prove anything. But of course deceiving the enemy in general has been around forever. I seem to recall some old story about some guys in a wooden horse on the shores of the Aegean, ca. 1200 BC. for example. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2019, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/140 "2019-02-14T11:53:41Z")
> [@x-ray\_vision](#): > > The Man Who Never Was was based on a deception that occurred in 1943. Maskirovka as a term and doctrine is older than that, so reading the book wouldn’t prove anything. But of course deceiving the enemy in general has been around forever. “Quaker Guns” in the US Civil War is another example. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178.md?page=8)