# Is the United States government hiding the existence of ET visitations? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 8, 2019, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178 "2019-02-08T15:09:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2019, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/141 "2019-02-14T12:01:49Z")
> [@Gukumatz](#): > > The US government isn’t competent enough to hide the existence - or even location of - their own actual, illegal torture black sites. They’re not even competent enough to hide their chain of command. Aye, what’s the saying? “[Two can keep a secret if one of them is dead](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNJGAwqV0ys).” Any conspiracy theory that necessarily posits thousands of people all keeping the secret is pretty much fucked from the getgo. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2019, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/142 "2019-02-14T12:59:11Z")
> [@Kamaski](#): > > Meanwhile thousands of children continue to die from preventable diseases… Extraterrestrials have tried many times to bring us the vaccine that prevents all disease, but the NASA-Pharma cabal stops them. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2019, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/143 "2019-02-14T14:45:02Z")
They just want us all to have space autism anyway. ---
**Author:** ![GuyTanzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/48db29/32.png) [@GuyTanzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuyTanzer)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2019, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/144 "2019-02-19T04:05:07Z")
Here’s my thinking about Tesla. If all this free energy stuff and power transmission through the air stuff worked and was practical, why didn’t the Soviets just steal all that stuff? The patents were out in the open. The Soviets weren’t above appropriating technology any time Boris and Natasha could get their hands on it. One of the major goals of the Soviet government was to electrify all of the USSR, an enormous land mass. Yet they went with boring old coal and peat moss fired plants, with RBMK-1000 nuclear reactors to fill in the gaps and keep everyone on their toes. There’s not a trace, anywhere, of Tesla’s more outre technology deployed anywhere in Russia or the old Soviet Union. What motive would Lenin, Stalin, Khruschev, et al to join any such conspiracy to prevent its use? ---
**Author:** ![Kamaski](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9d8465/32.png) [@Kamaski](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamaski)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2019, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/145 "2019-02-19T19:31:08Z")
The Soviets weren’t able to get their hands on the tech, remember Tesla died in a hotel room in New York City in 1943 when the Germans occupied huge parts of the USSR. The Russians probably didn’t have a clue about some of Tesla’s larger ideas. The US govt did however know about Tesla’s ideas, which is why the FBI confiscated all his important papers in his hotel room when Tesla died. Many of these papers are still classified or were highly classified until recently. Remember Donald Trumps uncle was a famous MIT professor who investigated some of Tesla’s big ideas near the end of WW2. However even back then there was a Deep State which didn’t want this technology to get into the hands of the public. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2019, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/146 "2019-02-19T19:41:30Z")
> [@Kamaski](#): > > The Soviets weren’t able to get their hands on the tech, remember Tesla died in a hotel room in New York City in 1943 when the Germans occupied huge parts of the USSR. > > The Russians probably didn’t have a clue about some of Tesla’s larger ideas. > > The US govt did however know about Tesla’s ideas, which is why the FBI confiscated all his important papers in his hotel room when Tesla died. > > Many of these papers are still classified or were highly classified until recently. > Remember Donald Trumps uncle was a famous MIT professor who investigated some of Tesla’s big ideas near the end of WW2. However even back then there was a Deep State which didn’t want this technology to get into the hands of the public. Do you have a credible cite for any of this…other than your dreams? ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2019, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/147 "2019-02-19T19:42:36Z")
Oh shit, do you think Trump’s uncle told Trump about all this stuff encrypted somewhere in this? > [@](#): > > “Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you’re a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are — nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? — but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.” ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2019, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/148 "2019-02-19T22:07:44Z")
> [@Kamaski](#): > > The Soviets weren’t able to get their hands on the tech, remember Tesla died in a hotel room in New York City in 1943 when the Germans occupied huge parts of the USSR. > > The Russians probably didn’t have a clue about some of Tesla’s larger ideas. > > The US govt did however know about Tesla’s ideas, which is why the FBI confiscated all his important papers in his hotel room when Tesla died. > > Many of these papers are still classified or were highly classified until recently. > Remember Donald Trumps uncle was a famous MIT professor who investigated some of Tesla’s big ideas near the end of WW2. However even back then there was a Deep State which didn’t want this technology to get into the hands of the public. I asked this before and you never responded. Let’s try it again. > [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Point to one technology that we can’t trace from the very earliest days of fumbling amateurism to today’s level. One. I’m not asking for much. One technology in which a leap occurred, that has to be attributed to alien technology instead of basic human slogging. One. I’ll add to that: or one technology spurred by Tesla’s supersecret highly classified ideas. You keep referring to this stuff as if it’s obvious it’s been used. Put up or shut up. Give us one technology using hidden technology, when the jump occurred, and why it’s impossible that ordinary science wasn’t at work. ---
**Author:** ![Kamaski](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9d8465/32.png) [@Kamaski](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamaski)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2019, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/149 "2019-02-19T22:39:54Z")
Evidence? The problem with science is that scientists will always reject spirituality because there isn’t any “evidence”. When really the experiences of the spiritual can’t always be replicated the way scientists want it to. Spirituality is magic, it can’t be explained by science, but the experiences of the spiritual are real experiences which shouldn’t be rejected. Don’t reject spiritual people and their connection with God. Tesla was Roman Catholic and said that his main inspiration was God himself. Religion and science can coexist in harmony. ---
**Author:** ![Kamaski](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9d8465/32.png) [@Kamaski](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamaski)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2019, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/150 "2019-02-19T22:44:46Z")
Why are we still relying on coal-fired power plants and oil for our electricity when we could harness the power of the sun for our economy? We should have been off oil long ago. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2019, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/151 "2019-02-19T22:48:25Z")
> [@Kamaski](#): > > Evidence? The problem with science is that scientists will always reject spirituality because there isn’t any “evidence”. When really the experiences of the spiritual can’t always be replicated the way scientists want it to. > > Spirituality is magic, it can’t be explained by science, but the experiences of the spiritual are real experiences which shouldn’t be rejected. > > Don’t reject spiritual people and their connection with God. Tesla was Roman Catholic and said that his main inspiration was God himself. > > Religion and science can coexist in harmony. Sooooo…you’ve got nothing but imagination, fuel by the imagination of others. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2019, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/152 "2019-02-19T23:28:33Z")
> [@Kamaski](#): > > Evidence? The problem with science is that scientists will always reject spirituality because there isn’t any “evidence”. When really the experiences of the spiritual can’t always be replicated the way scientists want it to. > > Spirituality is magic, it can’t be explained by science, but the experiences of the spiritual are real experiences which shouldn’t be rejected. > > Don’t reject spiritual people and their connection with God. Tesla was Roman Catholic and said that his main inspiration was God himself. > > Religion and science can coexist in harmony. What the fuck are you talking about? You started out with CT gibberish about suppressed inventions and technology. Where did magic and spirituality and God come from? Or is this just a neat sidestep that saves you from having to back up any of the nonsense you’re been spouting? Very convenient for you, isn’t it? Too bad nobody’s buying it. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/153 "2019-02-20T00:09:13Z")
> [@Kamaski](#): > > Don’t reject spiritual people and their connection with God. Tesla was Roman Catholic and said that his main inspiration was God himself. > > Religion and science can coexist in harmony. Last I checked, Tesla was an atheist who believed we were all just meat machines. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/154 "2019-02-20T02:40:12Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Oh shit, do you think Trump’s uncle told Trump about all this stuff encrypted somewhere in this? I wonder if they ran the Bible Code software on Trumps writing some nugget of sanity might be extracted. The Wharton School, as our friend is not doubt unaware, is the Business school and not a lot of electrical engineering is taught there. And knowledge is not contagious, not even at MIT. If it were, I’d be much better at differential equations. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/155 "2019-02-20T02:45:05Z")
> [@Kamaski](#): > > The Soviets weren’t able to get their hands on the tech, remember Tesla died in a hotel room in New York City in 1943 when the Germans occupied huge parts of the USSR. > > The Russians probably didn’t have a clue about some of Tesla’s larger ideas. There were a few Russian spies floating around back then. And Russians too. It’s not like they were cut off from the world. Tesla was not quite up to snuff in his later years. Being a genius at one point doesn’t make everything you do right. Newton was quite into alchemy, for example. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/156 "2019-02-20T03:45:41Z")
> [@Kamaski](#): > > Nikola Tesla had the key to free energy in his hands in 1943. > > His apartment in the Hotel New Yorker was stormed by the FBI and his documents were seized by the FBI under J Edgar Hoover. > [@Kamaski](#): > > Wasn’t it the office of alien property who seized the documents? > [@Kamaski](#): > > The US govt did however know about Tesla’s ideas, which is why the FBI confiscated all his important papers in his hotel room when Tesla died. Was it the FBI or the Office of Alien Property? I’m going to nitpick this because J. Edgar Hoover had nothing to do with the OAP. _Roosevelt had the agency under his direct control._ According to this, [Tesla’s nephew said the room had already been rifled before he got there, and it was he who called the FBI.](http://www.pbs.org/tesla/ll/ll_mispapers.html) Then the OAP gathered up what was still there. Then, some of the more interesting weapon ideas were sent to the Air Force for study. Finally, the remaining papers were returned to his nephew, and ended up in a museum in Yugoslavia. Assuming just for a moment that Tesla had the secret to unlimited energy, either a) whoever rifled through his room took those papers, but never figured out what to do with it, b) the papers with the secret were given to the Air Force, who couldn’t do anything with it, or c) the secret ended up with the Yugoslavians, who were known to share Tesla’s papers with Soviet researchers, and THEY couldn’t do anything with it, either. And who ended up with the cure for cancer? And which cancer did the aliens cure - carcinoma, sarcoma, melanoma, lymphoma, or leukemia? ---
**Author:** ![Khendrask](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3e96dc/32.png) [@Khendrask](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khendrask)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/157 "2019-02-20T12:14:06Z")
> [@Kamaski](#): > > Nikola Tesla had the key to free energy in his hands in 1943. > > His apartment in the Hotel New Yorker was stormed by the FBI and his documents were seized by the FBI under J Edgar Hoover. > > The FBI kept these documents hidden for seventy years, they contain the key to free energy. > > I think of the years between 1943 and 2013 as lost years. We could have had free energy back then, by the oil men couldn’t have it. I’m going to just stop reading this thread at this point, and it is only page one. For a debate, some modicum of fact must exist, and there is none to see here. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2019, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/158 "2019-02-22T03:18:52Z")
> [@Kamaski](#): > > Why are we still relying on coal-fired power plants and oil for our electricity when we could harness the power of the sun for our economy? > > We should have been off oil long ago. If we had all of this advanced alien technology, then why wouldn’t we be? ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2019, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178/159 "2019-02-22T07:35:00Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > If we had all of this advanced alien technology, then why wouldn’t we be? [tinfoilhat]You see, it is a conspiracy to raise the temperature of the earth to the point the aliens like, so they can move right in after we get flooded out. Those for big oil and coal are working with the aliens - unless they are aliens. [/tfh] Hush. If this catches on maybe the CTers will want to do something about climate change. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-the-united-states-government-hiding-the-existence-of-et-visitations/829178.md?page=7)