Yeah, I found that number- it’s on the Brady site. They have other numbers wrong also.
I’d like to see a reliable cite for it.
There are also nearly 40,000 people killed with guns every year. His change from “shot with guns” to “gun homicides” is pretty sneaky.
But even if you look at straight-up murders, discounting accidental shootings, police-related shootings, and so on, it’s 14K per year.
Given that another 67,000 people are injured by firearms each year, that “310 shot per day” number looks pretty accurate.
There are tens of millions single-issue voters. That is the way democracy works.
I never thought I would become one but I have this cycle - I will vote against anyone who vows to take our health insurance away and replace it with some shitty type of Medicaid.
Pro tip: Read the fucking thread, especially post #27.
Oh I read it.
I want to apologize to Oakminster. I think I appeared to be attacking him as much as his post. I sincerely apologize.
Let me restate.
The OP identifies as a one issue voter. That issue is absolutely no registration or increased gun regulation. Refreshingly it didn’t mention any “sacred rights” enshrined in the constitution or the need for constant self-defense. It clearly stated I want as many and any kind of guns that I can afford. Good. Clearly stated. I appreciate that.
The OP also states that he will not vote anyone who does not absolutely support that issue. Once again, good, clearly stated.
My problem with that is how absolutely selfish that is.
No regulations on you means that many other totally innocent people will be shot.
No regulations on you means that many families will mourn their sons and daughters, live without their husbands and fathers.
No regulations on you means that others will live with the knowledge that their 3 year old killed their 5 year old.
Just so that you can shoot as much as you want.
Selfish. Selfish and complicit in so many of the things that have made America so screwed up these days.
You’re assuming that a total gun ban can pass and all 300 million guns confiscated.
That is a ridiculous assumption.
The reasonable position from Obama is that a background check can pass along with a limit on the size of mabazines/clips. I would be happy with that but the number of lives saved would be relatively small.
Are you ever going to explain what your other moderate positions are, or do you just care about guns?
Which, of course, nobody is proposing. There might be someone telling you that certain candidates are proposing that, but they are lying to you.
I’m assuming no such thing. I’m advocating for trying to decrease the insane amount of firepower floating around.
This is no idle exercise for me. I’m an ER nurse. I deal with the aftereffects of guns all the time. I also live in a rural area with near 100% gun ownership. I own guns.
ETA in response to Linden Arden
Yeah, of that nearly 40000, 60% are suicides. From your cite:Though they tend to get less attention than gun-related murders, suicides have long accounted for the majority of U.S. gun deaths. In 2017, six-in-ten gun-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides (23,854), while 37% were murders (14,542), according to the CDC. The remainder were unintentional (486), involved law enforcement (553) or had undetermined circumstances (338).
But that '310" figure is intentionally scary, since what people are really worried about is being killed by a murderer. Not a piece of bird shot during duck season picked out in Urgent care.
Ok, but all of those things are already law in CA, but CA still has a higher murder rate. In fact CA has just about the strongest gun control laws in the uSA. They do not seem to have done much good.
So you can have ALL of those regulations yet all those bad things still happen.
I hoped that you’d admit your error. Ah well. I’m glad we purchased the mobile goalposts.
I’m sorry that you find 310 people being injured daily by firearms scary.
I’m also sorry that you are OK with suicides and minor injuries.
Warren and Sanders want to eliminate all private** primary **health insurance. They need our premium payments to pay for others insurance.
Don’t tell me I can still get insurance for cosmetic surgery like Kamala Harris said (a reason she has stunk up the polls since saying that).
If someone with terminal cancer, living in daily, crippling, horrific pain, wants to end their life, i am fine with it. You’d make them suffer?
1 and 4 are my points, I already believe in a waiting period and police check for gun purchase. No skin off my back, been licensed and held security clearances since I was 18, and I am a firm believer in safety training.
Exactly. Guns are not overly important of an issue for me to not vote for someone.
Unfortunately the third party voters lost the Democrats the presidency.
Honestly, safety training, a waiting period and a police check is no big deal, but a registry is seen as an easy way for a totalitarian government to go door to door with a list and demand the guns on the list to be turned over.
[58 year old female, registered Republican since I was 18, gun owner and believer that the 2nd Amendment gives me the right to have weapons for hunting [I favor my Dad’s issue M1, a 12 ga shotgun, and my daily carry varies between 2 handguns - I am trained in their use from being an armed response guard, and I had carried for decades because I had a stalker. I do not believe I need a machine gun or weapon suitable for war though I am quite effective with the M1.]
Just for the record, One of the first gun laws “gun grabber” Obama signed was one allowing citizens to carry loaded weapons in national parks. Business Insider, Dec 21, 2012. Don’t know how to link, but it was easy to find. Has other gun rights expanding bills signed into law as well. Didn’t read the whole article. Just wanted to make sure my memory was correct.
You are correct. That “gun-grabbing” Obama also signed a bill allowing firearms as Amtrak cargo.
Another reason he is my favorite President of my lifetime (since JFK).
Sure, that’s what the OP was talking about.