# Is there a faith (religion) with a female Jesus figure? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 19, 2010, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-faith-religion-with-a-female-jesus-figure/550733 "2010-08-19T12:24:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-faith-religion-with-a-female-jesus-figure/550733/21 "2010-08-19T17:25:19Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > There’s a connection to the Persephone myth–Persephone is kidnapped by Hades, her grieving mother Demeter searches for her and the Earth becomes infertile. Demeter is reunited with Persephone, but because Persephone has eaten the food of the underworld she must return for half of every year, which explains the variation of seasons. Apparently the story of Demeter and Persephone was at the core of the [Eleusinian Mysteries.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleusinian_Mysteries) ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-faith-religion-with-a-female-jesus-figure/550733/22 "2010-08-19T23:54:28Z")
The real link to my photo: [http://65.69.77.33/files/Pictures/1008/Seated\_Guanyin\_Bodhisattva\_2\_Liao\_Dynasty\_907-1125.jpg](http://65.69.77.33/files/Pictures/1008/Seated_Guanyin_Bodhisattva_2_Liao_Dynasty_907-1125.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![KarlGrenze](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@KarlGrenze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGrenze)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-faith-religion-with-a-female-jesus-figure/550733/23 "2010-08-20T00:02:15Z")
[Los mita](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mita_Congregation)… or _Congregación Mita_. You could tell who attended their school because the boys wear bright blue slacks and the girls (particularly in elementary school) wear bright pink skirts pass the knees. As far as weird sects… I’d rather have a mita than one of the merchant prophets. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-faith-religion-with-a-female-jesus-figure/550733/24 "2010-08-20T06:03:46Z")
> [@Una\_Persson](#): > > The real link to my photo: > [http://65.69.77.33/files/Pictures/1008/Seated\_Guanyin\_Bodhisattva\_2\_Liao\_Dynasty\_907-1125.jpg](http://65.69.77.33/files/Pictures/1008/Seated_Guanyin_Bodhisattva_2_Liao_Dynasty_907-1125.jpg) It was worth the wait. ---
**Author:** ![ITR\_champion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c67d28/32.png) [@ITR\_champion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ITR_champion)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-faith-religion-with-a-female-jesus-figure/550733/25 "2010-08-20T20:12:30Z")
In addition to Ann Lee, there was a Quaker woman named Jemima Wilkinson who claimed that she was Jesus Christ. She lived in New York in the late 18th century. Through public preaching she attracted a congregation, though I don’t know how large it was or to what extent she separated from general Christian beliefs. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-faith-religion-with-a-female-jesus-figure/550733/26 "2010-08-20T20:41:55Z")
> [@Una\_Persson](#): > > The real link to my photo: > [http://65.69.77.33/files/Pictures/1008/Seated\_Guanyin\_Bodhisattva\_2\_Liao\_Dynasty\_907-1125.jpg](http://65.69.77.33/files/Pictures/1008/Seated_Guanyin_Bodhisattva_2_Liao_Dynasty_907-1125.jpg) Wow, you look so young ! ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-faith-religion-with-a-female-jesus-figure/550733/27 "2010-08-20T20:56:19Z")
> [@jinty](#): > > Well, in early Ugarit, Canaanite and (wait for it…) Abrahamic religions, God ([El](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_%28deity%29)) had a wife, the goddess [Asherah](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asherah).] Maybe, but Asherah wasn’t really a savior figure. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-faith-religion-with-a-female-jesus-figure/550733/28 "2010-08-20T21:19:00Z")
> [@Polycarp](#): > > To tweak **kanicbird** ’s understanding of Catholic doctrine, while he may be correct as regards the beliefs of some individual Catholics, it is my understanding that even at its fullest extent, the hyperdulia doctrine regarding Mary still regards her as a part of fallen humanity, needing a Savior, with the doctrinal distinctives that set her apart from the rest of humanity in Catholic thought the result of a special retroactive intervention of Christ’s saving grace done to make her a fit vessel for His conception and time in the womb, and to give her the special graces needed to raise Him as a human child. Think of it as effectively a SF-style time loop: she was enabled to raise Him to be what He ended up being by His action reaching back in time to make her what she needed to be in order to raise Him as He needed to be raised. This could be quite convincing, but since I’m not a heavily credentialed biblical scholar this entire post went right over my head. So let me start with this. It is my understanding that RCs have this concept of the immaculate conception, excusing her from the original sin and presumably capable of being sinless at the time of Jesus’ conception. That pretty well makes her unique amongst humankind, and given the predelection amongst RCs to pray to her for intercession 2000 years after her birth, we should be able to assume that RCs believe that she has been miraculously resurrected like Jesus and not without influence amongst the triumvirate power that is. Call her semi-divine if you wish, but she sure has as much power ascribed to her as many other godesses in the history of mankind. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-faith-religion-with-a-female-jesus-figure/550733/29 "2010-08-20T21:19:50Z")
Actually, there is such thing as a [female Jesus figure.](http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6743113) ---
**Author:** ![Pastor\_Torch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Pastor\_Torch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pastor_Torch)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-faith-religion-with-a-female-jesus-figure/550733/30 "2010-08-20T21:45:34Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Any matriarchal faiths with a female daughter savior figure? Jesus was a man(male) for many reasons. The anti-Jesus people, more often reffered to as Pagans or Sataists used the female versoin as an anti-christ for the simple reason of doing the opposite. The initial representation came through Nimrod, who’s claim to fame was being a great hunter. From that they derived the pentegram, with the five pointed star, one point aimed down, is the face of a goat. The bottom point forms the goats beared, the side points form the ears, and the two on top form the horns. His son, Horus, of the ‘All Seeing Eye of Horus’ – that weired thing on the top of the pryamid printed on the back of your dollar bill… yep that thing… Well Horus grew up, killed his father and married his mother. He also declaired himself to be God. I’m cutting out a lot of detail, but in any event, He was killed. His wife and mother then took the title, “Mother of God” and Queen of Heaven, I believe (my memory on that point might be confused wiith some other thing.. But the tradition stuck… and in Egypt, the worship of Horus and his Wife/Mother… became the figures know as Isis and Orisis. You may remember ‘Wonderwoman’ who always prayed to 'Oh mighty Isis" One and the same. Now you know. The pagan beliefs are old. Oddly enough however, the straigh dope on thier beginings is mentioned in the Holy Bible. I just thought you ought to know that. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-faith-religion-with-a-female-jesus-figure/550733/31 "2010-08-20T21:53:03Z")
> [@Pastor\_Torch](#): > > You may remember ‘Wonderwoman’ who always prayed to 'Oh mighty Isis" No one but you remembers that. > [@](#): > > Jesus was a man(male) for many reasons. Most importantly the Y chromosome Joseph supplied to him. ---
**Author:** ![Maggie\_the\_Ocelot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@Maggie\_the\_Ocelot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maggie_the_Ocelot)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-faith-religion-with-a-female-jesus-figure/550733/32 "2010-08-20T21:53:20Z")
> [@Pastor\_Torch](#): > > > [@kanicbird](#): > > > > Any matriarchal faiths with a female daughter savior figure? > > Jesus was a man(male) for many reasons. > > The anti-Jesus people, more often reffered to as Pagans or Sataists used the female versoin as an anti-christ for the simple reason of doing the opposite. > > The initial representation came through Nimrod, who’s claim to fame was being a great hunter. From that they derived the pentegram, with the five pointed star, one point aimed down, is the face of a goat. The bottom point forms the goats beared, the side points form the ears, and the two on top form the horns. > > His son, Horus, of the ‘All Seeing Eye of Horus’ – that weired thing on the top of the pryamid printed on the back of your dollar bill… yep that thing… Well Horus grew up, killed his father and married his mother. He also declaired himself to be God. I’m cutting out a lot of detail, but in any event, He was killed. > > His wife and mother then took the title, “Mother of God” and Queen of Heaven, I believe (my memory on that point might be confused wiith some other thing.. > > But the tradition stuck… and in Egypt, the worship of Horus and his Wife/Mother… became the figures know as Isis and Orisis. > > You may remember ‘Wonderwoman’ who always prayed to 'Oh mighty Isis" > > One and the same. > > Now you know. The pagan beliefs are old. Oddly enough however, the straigh dope on thier beginings is mentioned in the Holy Bible. > > I just thought you ought to know that. I am…paralyzed by the sheer number of factual errors. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-faith-religion-with-a-female-jesus-figure/550733/33 "2010-08-20T21:56:08Z")
> [@Maggie\_the\_Ocelot](#): > > > [@Pastor\_Torch](#): > > > > Jesus was a man(male) for many reasons. > > > > The anti-Jesus people, more often reffered to as Pagans or Sataists used the female versoin as an anti-christ for the simple reason of doing the opposite. > > > > The initial representation came through Nimrod, who’s claim to fame was being a great hunter. From that they derived the pentegram, with the five pointed star, one point aimed down, is the face of a goat. The bottom point forms the goats beared, the side points form the ears, and the two on top form the horns. > > > > His son, Horus, of the ‘All Seeing Eye of Horus’ – that weired thing on the top of the pryamid printed on the back of your dollar bill… yep that thing… Well Horus grew up, killed his father and married his mother. He also declaired himself to be God. I’m cutting out a lot of detail, but in any event, He was killed. > > > > His wife and mother then took the title, “Mother of God” and Queen of Heaven, I believe (my memory on that point might be confused wiith some other thing.. > > > > But the tradition stuck… and in Egypt, the worship of Horus and his Wife/Mother… became the figures know as Isis and Orisis. > > > > You may remember ‘Wonderwoman’ who always prayed to 'Oh mighty Isis" > > > > One and the same. > > > > Now you know. The pagan beliefs are old. Oddly enough however, the straigh dope on thier beginings is mentioned in the Holy Bible. > > > > I just thought you ought to know that. > > I am…paralyzed by the sheer number of factual errors. I wasn’t quite paralyzed. But there were so many cruel things that came in mind to say that I couldn’t decide where to start, so I decided to behave myself. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Fight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/90ced4/32.png) [@Cat\_Fight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Fight)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-faith-religion-with-a-female-jesus-figure/550733/34 "2010-08-20T22:19:19Z")
I really don’t think it’s fair to not answer **kanicbird** in the way he/her has come to expect. I, for one, see no need for a female savior figure as really every single person has been ‘saved’ (birthed) by a female and religion is simply a way for humans to compensate (‘You may give birth, but someone who looks just like us created the whole world’). Her sould is bound to every baby and she is basically a god(dess). It’s so simple. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-faith-religion-with-a-female-jesus-figure/550733/35 "2010-08-20T23:00:58Z")
> [@Pastor\_Torch](#): > > Jesus was a man(male) for many reasons. > > … > > I just thought you ought to know that. I do know that, but also that what we have on earth is a reflection of what is in the heavens, which the basic unit is ‘family’, so there has to be a Father Mother Son and Daughter in the family of God. Also what is bound on earth is bound in heaven, so the ‘demotion’ of females on earth through Eve has to equate to a demotion of females in the heavens, so God the Father’s female counterpart (Mother God) had to be demoted also. The patriarchal faiths have the God in heaven, and is dominant, women are pretty much removed from much of scripture and a ‘mother god’ is pretty much hidden. The matriarchal faiths have their goddess on earth (or the universe/creation) and is about getting grounded, earth based, and also somewhat secretive basically worshiping the Mother who has been put down (to earth) in a position of submission. Then we have the male child, Christ, who in the patriarchal faith which we call Christianity is the Son, who serves the function of having everything come back together, but if the unit is the family there should be a female counterpart daughter of God equally as important (but also pretty much removed from patriarchal faiths texts), but interdependent with Chirst but would be more hidden as women were in submission by the conditions set by A&E’s actions. I was hoping for a matriarchal faith savior figure, which one has proposed, along with some Buddha’s figures (and Mary). ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-faith-religion-with-a-female-jesus-figure/550733/36 "2010-08-21T00:54:47Z")
> [@Pastor\_Torch](#): > > You may remember ‘Wonderwoman’ who always prayed to 'Oh mighty Isis" Oh, now I have to point out that Mighty Isis & Wonder Woman were two different TV series with similar premises that followed the success of the 1970’s live-action Shazam!/Captain Marvel. Similar, but different properties. > **[Shazam! (TV series)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shazam!_%28TV_series%29)** > > Shazam! is an American superhero television series that was produced for Saturday Mornings by Filmation (the studio's first non-animated series), based on the superhero Captain Marvel, now known as Shazam, of Fawcett Comics' comic book series Whiz Comics (now owned by DC Comics). The program starred Michael Gray as Billy Batson, a teenage boy who can transform into the superhero Captain Marvel, originally played by Jackson Bostwick and later by John Davey, by speaking the magic word "Shazam!"\[ > **[The Secrets of Isis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secrets_of_Isis)** > > The Secrets of Isis, originally broadcast as Isis, is an American live-action superhero television series produced by Filmation from 1975 to 1976 for CBS's Saturday morning lineup. The series was renamed The Secrets of Isis in syndication. > The program was the first weekly American live-action television series with a female superhero lead character, debuting on September 6, 1975, predating the weekly debuts of both The Bionic Woman (January 14, 1976) and Wonder Woman (April 21, 1976). In the ser... > **[Wonder Woman (TV series)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonder_Woman_%28TV_series%29)** > > Wonder Woman, known for seasons 2 and 3 as The New Adventures of Wonder Woman, is an American superhero television series based on the DC Comics comic book superhero of the same name. It stars Lynda Carter as Wonder Woman / Diana Prince and Lyle Waggoner as Steve Trevor Sr. and Jr., and aired for three seasons, from 1975 to 1979. The show's first season aired on ABC and is set in the 1940s, during World War II. The second and third seasons aired on CBS and are set in the then-current day late... OK, there’s some ignorance fought. ---
**Author:** ![Dan\_Norder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4af34b/32.png) [@Dan\_Norder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dan_Norder)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-faith-religion-with-a-female-jesus-figure/550733/37 "2010-08-21T00:58:48Z")
> [@Pastor\_Torch](#): > > I just thought you ought to know that. Pssst… This site is for fighting ignorance, not spreading it. It looks like anything you actually got correct was by accident. ---
**Author:** ![BrightNShiny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@BrightNShiny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrightNShiny)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-faith-religion-with-a-female-jesus-figure/550733/38 "2010-08-21T06:28:13Z")
There are goddesses all over the Hindu pantheon, and there are branches of Hinduism which worship them. There are also a number of stories where a goddess comes to Earth (or Earth + the Heavens + the Netherworld) and sets things right (for example, see the creation story of the goddess [Durga](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durga)). However, many of the Hindu mythological stories involve multiple gods/goddesses interacting together, so I’m not sure you can point to a particular goddess as having an equivalent function to Jesus (salvation, redemption). In one view, however, all of these gods/goddesses are really aspects of one God, and most versions of the Durga story (which I linked to) take this viewpoint (that she’s a manifestation of the “supreme Brahman who created all the gods”). If we go with that view, than she’s a female embodiment of God, and therefore is equivalent to God. Furthermore, there are a number of women, who for lack of a better term, have become saints, and these women are also worshipped in certain branches of Hinduism, although usually not as goddesses per-se, but as divine people. So, it might be better to analogize them to saints in the Catholic sense. Finally, I’m not enough of an expert in Christian theology to know if there’s an equivalence in Hinduism. If my understanding of Christian evangelical doctrine is correct, then I don’t think there’s an equivalence. However, I always thought the theology laid out in the last book of the Chronicles of Narnia was very similar to many Hindu concepts (although that might just be me reading it through a Hindu lens). If so, then one could think of some of the Hindu goddesses as serving the same purpose as Jesus. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-faith-religion-with-a-female-jesus-figure/550733/39 "2010-08-21T07:06:20Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > > [@Polycarp](#): > > > > To tweak **kanicbird** ’s understanding of Catholic doctrine, while he may be correct as regards the beliefs of some individual Catholics, it is my understanding that even at its fullest extent, the hyperdulia doctrine regarding Mary still regards her as a part of fallen humanity, needing a Savior, with the doctrinal distinctives that set her apart from the rest of humanity in Catholic thought the result of a special retroactive intervention of Christ’s saving grace done to make her a fit vessel for His conception and time in the womb, and to give her the special graces needed to raise Him as a human child. Think of it as effectively a SF-style time loop: she was enabled to raise Him to be what He ended up being by His action reaching back in time to make her what she needed to be in order to raise Him as He needed to be raised. > > This could be quite convincing, but since I’m not a heavily credentialed biblical scholar this entire post went right over my head. > > So let me start with this. > > It is my understanding that RCs have this concept of the immaculate conception, excusing her from the original sin and presumably capable of being sinless at the time of Jesus’ conception. > > That pretty well makes her unique amongst humankind, and given the predelection amongst RCs to pray to her for intercession 2000 years after her birth, we should be able to assume that RCs believe that she has been miraculously resurrected like Jesus and not without influence amongst the triumvirate power that is. > > Call her semi-divine if you wish, but she sure has as much power ascribed to her as many other godesses in the history of mankind. A lot of what you say is true, but a misinterpretation of what the Catholic understanding is (assuming that _I’ve_ got it right. **Bricker, Tom~** , doublecheck me please). The Immaculate Conception is one of those doctrinal distinctives I referred to. So’s the “Queen of Heaven” title (which I don’t think is dogma, at least not yet). But what they’re saying is that Mary was an especially good human being, owing in part to God’s having specially chosen her and equipped her for her job, after her consent to do it. To them, it isn’t that Mary didn’t need a Savior because she was immaculately conceived without original sin – it’s that she did need to be saved, just like everybody else, and because God picked her to bear His Son, she was specially graced by being protected from original sin and strengthened to resist actual sin, so that she could be a fit mother for Jesus. You have unintentionally swapped result and cause. As for “Queen of Heaven,” that’s the Israelite custom of honoring the King’s mother, not his wife, as the Queen. Since Jesus is King of Heaven, it’s only logical what Mary is, so they say. Further, the Assumption (annual observance of it was last week) means she was taken to Heaven bodily and yeah, has special influence with God, in terms of intercessory prayer. But she’s simply at the top of the Communion of Saints, the doctrine that says that all Christians, whether their bodies are alive or dead, are to pray for each other and honor requests to intercede with God for others. Your prayers, my prayers, my namesake bishop-martyr’s prayers, Francis of Assisi’s prayers, the Pope’s prayers, Mary’s prayers, and some woman in a Mexican village church’s prayers are all heard by God, and we’re all supposed to be praying for each other. ---
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> [@Pastor\_Torch](#): > > > [@kanicbird](#): > > > > Any matriarchal faiths with a female daughter savior figure? > > Jesus was a man(male) for many reasons. > > The anti-Jesus people, more often reffered to as Pagans or Sataists used the female versoin as an anti-christ for the simple reason of doing the opposite. > > The initial representation came through Nimrod, who’s claim to fame was being a great hunter. From that they derived the pentegram, with the five pointed star, one point aimed down, is the face of a goat. The bottom point forms the goats beared, the side points form the ears, and the two on top form the horns. > > His son, Horus, of the ‘All Seeing Eye of Horus’ – that weired thing on the top of the pryamid printed on the back of your dollar bill… yep that thing… Well Horus grew up, killed his father and married his mother. He also declaired himself to be God. I’m cutting out a lot of detail, but in any event, He was killed. > > His wife and mother then took the title, “Mother of God” and Queen of Heaven, I believe (my memory on that point might be confused wiith some other thing.. > > But the tradition stuck… and in Egypt, the worship of Horus and his Wife/Mother… became the figures know as Isis and Orisis. > > You may remember ‘Wonderwoman’ who always prayed to 'Oh mighty Isis" > > One and the same. > > Now you know. The pagan beliefs are old. Oddly enough however, the straigh dope on thier beginings is mentioned in the Holy Bible. > > I just thought you ought to know that. I’m sorry- the whole Alexander Hislop “Two Babylons” theory of Nimrod-Tammuz-Semiramis being the origins of Osiris-Horus-Isis & every other Father-Son-Mother grouping in Paganism, and also Roman Catholicism to boot, has been debunked by a former proponent Ralph Woodrow. Also, Horus did not kill Osiris nor even in the Hislop version did Tammuz kill Nimrod. Set killed Osiris & Hislop thinks that corresponded to Noah’s son Shem who may also have taken the title Melchizedek. Also, the sign of the inverted pentagram corresponding to the Satanic goat head- that goes way back to the ancient days of… French sorcerer Eliphas Levi around the 1880s. And as mentioned Mighty Isis was a superheroine TV show that was distinct from Wonder Woman. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-faith-religion-with-a-female-jesus-figure/550733.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-faith-religion-with-a-female-jesus-figure/550733.md?page=3)