# Is there a good daily newspaper not for Kerry besides the WSJ?
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-good-daily-newspaper-not-for-kerry-besides-the-wsj/267607
**Category:** In My Humble Opinion
**Created:** [October 5, 2004, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-good-daily-newspaper-not-for-kerry-besides-the-wsj/267607 "2004-10-05T04:26:17Z")
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### Author:  [@Lynwood\_Slim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynwood_Slim)
#### Post date: [October 5, 2004, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-good-daily-newspaper-not-for-kerry-besides-the-wsj/267607/1 "2004-10-05T04:26:17Z")
For my newspaper dailies, I read the NY Times and LA Times, but their pro Kerry bias is beginning to really turn me off.
For another perspective, I read the WSJ, Weekly Standard and National Review.
I know there are commentators who are centrists or Bush leaning, but is there another major daily that is?
Who are the major commentators who give a Bush perspective, besides Charles Krauthammer.
Excuse my ignorance, but I find myself listing a bit starboard on this election, and I find myself agreeing with the pro Bush camp. I would just like to read more of those voices to see how much I agree.
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### Author:  [@ccwaterback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ccwaterback)
#### Post date: [October 5, 2004, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-good-daily-newspaper-not-for-kerry-besides-the-wsj/267607/2 "2004-10-05T04:29:54Z")
I would think the Chicago Tribune is anti-Kerry. They are, and have always been, Republican to the max. Just ask Mayor Daley. đ
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### Author:  [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)
#### Post date: [October 5, 2004, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-good-daily-newspaper-not-for-kerry-besides-the-wsj/267607/3 "2004-10-05T04:47:41Z")
> [@Lynwood Slim](#):
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> Who are the major commentators who give a Bush perspective, besides Charles Krauthammer.
Bill Crystal, William Saffire, Fred Barnes, George Will, and (dare I mention) Ann Coulter.
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### Author:  [@Atticus\_Finch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atticus_Finch)
#### Post date: [October 5, 2004, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-good-daily-newspaper-not-for-kerry-besides-the-wsj/267607/4 "2004-10-05T05:49:47Z")
> [@John Mace](#):
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> Bill Crystal
Billy Crystalâs a Bush booster now? I guess theyâve both played cowboys on the screenâŚ
This should probably be in GD or IMHO.
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### Author:  [@David\_Simmons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_Simmons)
#### Post date: [October 5, 2004, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-good-daily-newspaper-not-for-kerry-besides-the-wsj/267607/5 "2004-10-05T06:00:30Z")
> [@Atticus Finch](#):
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> Billy Crystalâs a Bush booster now? I guess theyâve both played cowboys on the screenâŚ
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> This should probably be in GD or IMHO.
Could this be William Kristol, editor of the Weekly Standard?
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### Author:  [@Lynwood\_Slim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynwood_Slim)
#### Post date: [October 5, 2004, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-good-daily-newspaper-not-for-kerry-besides-the-wsj/267607/6 "2004-10-05T06:36:29Z")
I am not asking for a debate, just really a factual question â not even really after opinions. Thanks for the answers so far.
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### Author:  [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)
#### Post date: [October 5, 2004, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-good-daily-newspaper-not-for-kerry-besides-the-wsj/267607/7 "2004-10-05T06:54:40Z")
> [@David Simmons](#):
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> Could this be William Kristol, editor of the Weekly Standard?
Yes. I should have mentioned that Iâm not known for my good spelling. đ
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### Author:  [@Atticus\_Finch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atticus_Finch)
#### Post date: [October 5, 2004, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-good-daily-newspaper-not-for-kerry-besides-the-wsj/267607/8 "2004-10-05T07:07:51Z")
> [@David Simmons](#):
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> Could this be William Kristol, editor of the Weekly Standard?
I know, just teasing.
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> I am not asking for a debate, just really a factual question â not even really after opinions. Thanks for the answers so far.
Which person has which political opinion is itself a matter of opinion. I donât think weâre in factual territory here.
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### Author:  [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)
#### Post date: [October 5, 2004, 10:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-good-daily-newspaper-not-for-kerry-besides-the-wsj/267607/9 "2004-10-05T10:24:53Z")
Iâm quite sure the [Washington Times](http://www.washtimes.com/) is not for Kerry.
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### Author:  [@CBCD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CBCD)
#### Post date: [October 5, 2004, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-good-daily-newspaper-not-for-kerry-besides-the-wsj/267607/10 "2004-10-05T11:42:00Z")
The [New York Post](http://www.nypost.com/) is against Kerry, to put it mildy. But then, the NY Post never puts anything mildly.
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### Author:  [@Shalmanese](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shalmanese)
#### Post date: [October 5, 2004, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-good-daily-newspaper-not-for-kerry-besides-the-wsj/267607/11 "2004-10-05T11:45:05Z")
Not a daily by the Economist is still tentatively for Bush.
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### Author:  [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)
#### Post date: [October 5, 2004, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-good-daily-newspaper-not-for-kerry-besides-the-wsj/267607/12 "2004-10-05T11:51:17Z")
I second the NY Post.
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### Author:  [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)
#### Post date: [October 5, 2004, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-good-daily-newspaper-not-for-kerry-besides-the-wsj/267607/13 "2004-10-05T13:05:06Z")
The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review is almost certainly pro-Bush.
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### Author:  [@bibliophage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bibliophage)
#### Post date: [October 5, 2004, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-good-daily-newspaper-not-for-kerry-besides-the-wsj/267607/14 "2004-10-05T14:12:32Z")
Bias in favor of one candidate or another is often hard to spot and may be debatable. Likewise what constitutes a âgoodâ newspaper is a matter of opinion. Accordingly, Iâll move this thread to IMHO.
bibliophage
moderator GQ
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### Author:  [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)
#### Post date: [October 5, 2004, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-good-daily-newspaper-not-for-kerry-besides-the-wsj/267607/15 "2004-10-05T14:18:18Z")
Wow. Isnât it amazing that you really have to ponder which newspapers are _not_ pro-Kerry? Yet there are those who claim thereâs no bias in the mediaâŚ
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### Author:  [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)
#### Post date: [October 5, 2004, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-good-daily-newspaper-not-for-kerry-besides-the-wsj/267607/16 "2004-10-05T14:37:47Z")
Wow. From the tone of your post, **Crafter\_Man** , one would never know that most editorial pages of dailies in 2000 endorsed Bush over Gore. đ
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### Author:  [@Jenaroph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jenaroph)
#### Post date: [October 5, 2004, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-good-daily-newspaper-not-for-kerry-besides-the-wsj/267607/17 "2004-10-05T14:39:09Z")
A preponderance of people favoring one item over another doesnât necessarily indicate a bias. For example, youâd probably find a vast majority of movie critics think _Citizen Kane_ is a better movie than _Freddy Got Fingered_. Does that mean theyâre all biased against Tom Green? OrâŚis _Citizen Kane_ just a better movie than _Freddy Got Fingered_?
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### Author:  [@Illinois\_Boy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Illinois_Boy)
#### Post date: [October 5, 2004, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-good-daily-newspaper-not-for-kerry-besides-the-wsj/267607/18 "2004-10-05T15:25:35Z")
> [@ccwaterback](#):
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> I would think the Chicago Tribune is anti-Kerry. They are, and have always been, Republican to the max. Just ask Mayor Daley. đ
The Tribune is interesting in that (IMHO) the paper is fairly supportive of Bush, but there is no shortage of individual writers, columnists, editors even, who are definitely not fans. For example, the main editorial after the 1st debate claimed (IIRC) Kerry did not perform well in the debate, so Bush was the default winner. However, within the next few days two columnists, both of whom are on the Editorial board, wrote pieces positing a superior performance by Kerry. đ
The Trib has a good mix of conservative and liberal columnists in the OpEd page. On the right you would have Charles Krauthammer (sp?), Dennis Byrne, and Kathleen Parker. On the more liberal end is Clarence Page, and Molly Ivins, with Steven Chapman providing the Libertarian-ish view from the side.
My two cents is, you can usually find what youâre looking for.
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### Author:  [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)
#### Post date: [October 5, 2004, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-good-daily-newspaper-not-for-kerry-besides-the-wsj/267607/19 "2004-10-05T15:29:46Z")
Itâs an interesting question that carries with it a number of problems. Many of the newspapers fly under the same flag. Newspaper conglomerates like Cox severely limit the grassroots reporting of 30 years ago. The reason this happened is not simply the obsorption of one paper by another, itâs because readership is down. The ability of a stand-alone paper to exist with a full staff of reporters is litterally a thing of the past. It canât be done in the average size city. If you look at your local paper you will likely see by-lines from reporters of other newspapers.
With that said, you can read any newspaper and get information if you learn how to sift out the BS. I would strongly urge someone interested in honest news to take a course in journalism. I considered it one of the top 10 useful classes I took in college. IMO, learning to read and do research objectively should be taught in every HS.
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### Author:  [@testride](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/testride)
#### Post date: [October 6, 2004, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-good-daily-newspaper-not-for-kerry-besides-the-wsj/267607/20 "2004-10-06T07:54:32Z")
Do you mean a newspaper that has taken an official editorial-page position on the election (âWe endorse Kerry/Bushâ)? Or do you mean one that seems to run more columnists on one side than another? Or are you talking about apparent bias in the news columns?
Except for a formal endorsement, categorizing a paper is tricky business. The Washington Post is generally considered a liberal paper. But they supported the war in Iraq, and they run a lot of conservatives (George Will, Robert Novak, Charles Krauthammer) on the op-ed page. They also have an ombudsman who writes a weekly column about things readers complain about. Interestingly, the same story will often get complaints from both sides (âYouâre always bashing Kerry/Bush!â or âYouâre always favoring Kerry/Bush!â). Sometimes readers see whatever they want to see.