I belive the “wise man” he said he was paraphrasing was tomndeb:
So his whole “cloak of secrecy” is certainly mod approved so I don’t see why he should acquiesce to your demand to name names.
CircleofWillis said:
crowmanyclouds said:
To follow the analogy, if you can’t smell them for yourself, what does it matter? Either you have your own list in mind, or else you don’t, but either way, the only thing CircleofWillis could do by listing them is highlight who he dislikes and perhaps seek out a warning for himself.
His point was not to list all the troublemakers, or loudmouths, or whatever - his point was the last sentence about the games and piling on posters “we” don’t like.
tacoloco said:
Why are you so interested in who CircleofWillis dislikes? Don’t you have your own list?
As far as the original topic, I thought I threw out an observation (back in post 49) about perception of bias caused by an imbalance in moderator action that is the result of headcounts and moderators responding to train wrecks (and potential train wrecks) rather than an intentional bias toward one side. That post was right before the hijack spun up to full speed, so I can understand it getting lost in the shuffle, but I still think it worth attention. Anyone have any comments?
I think it is perfectly fair and totally on-topic to ask if there is someone on the right who got banned for posting the way Der Trihs does. The accusation is repeated over and over and over again that he gets away with stuff that others get banned for.
Which others?
Because it’s utter bullshit to make a statement like that and not back it up. If people are so upset about some posters, let’s hear who they are. Otherwise people should STFU about it already.
The only person really being called out in the couple of threads on this sort of topic is Der Trihs.
But(Der Trihs)we’re not here(Der Trihs)to name names(Der Trihs). Let’s not(Der Trihs)talk about any(Der Trihs)specific posters, o.k.(Der Trihs)?
Ya mean like turning a thread that’s claiming to ask a serious question about ideological bias in the board’s moderation, into a pile-on of Der Trihs, a poster “we”* clearly don’t like?
If your* only willing to name one poster and not list posters from both “sides” who engage in similar behavior and don’t get the same response from the mods, then just who is playing games here**?
*Not singling out CircleofWillis here, but calling out those who claim that the answer to the OP is yes and B]Der Trihs**s still being here is the only proof needed.
**I’ll restate my first question in this thread “Don’t we first need to find a right-wing poster who was banned for doing what Der Trihs is accused of and for no other reason(s)?”. And I think that’s why no one has listed posters for us to compare, there is no goateed Der Trihs here.
CMC fnord!
Magellan and CircleofWillis both need to do their homework and come back with some examples. Except Magellan has already said he’s not going to. But, it’s ok, we should just believe him.
A few comments on this:
I have a detected a noticeable increase of tolerance on the part of the Moderators since the big brouhaha earlier in 2009 (I think) that led to much disgruntlement (including a lot from me) and the creation of several new splinter-boards. Ever since then I have seen a lot of “don’t do such-and-such in this forum again. No warning issued” from the mods and I really appreciate their pulling back from the hair-trigger warning/ban. Thank you, mods, your discretion has made for a better Board.
I absolutely agree with you about the closing of threads that some mod feels is “too pointless”. Considering we’re talking about “pointlessness” here, the mods are too quick to decide subjectively what construes “too pointless to live”.
I disagree with you that Der Trihs trolls. I have never read a post where I thought he was trolling. The same goes for him “threadshitting”. I just don’t see it. I’ve commented before that if Der Trihs is guilty of anything it’s being like the kid who shouted out that the Emperor has no clothes. That kid was quickly shushed, and I think a lot of folks would like to see Trihs shushed too. Permanently.
Trihs may often exaggerate the Emperor’s nakedness, and do so repeatedly; and I can see how this would get really annoying to those who labor under the impression that the Emperor is fully decked out in some fine new threads. But the fact remains, he is quite naked. No reason for any warnings or banning there.
As an example of how it might be perceived that threads get treated differently, we have this. Is the title misleading? Well, Sarah Palin did not say what the thread title quotes her as saying. Yet the thread has not been locked, nor the OP warned for trolling. If the rule is “no misleading titles in the Pit”, this is hard to explain. If there is a different standard for hyperbolic posters on the left/right, however…
Regards,
Shodan
To use that tired old refrain, has anybody reported the thread? I’ve posted in that thread, but I almost never moderate the Pit and that’s definitely a call I’d leave to Gfactor and Miller.
It’s a pit thread, who cares?
That does seems a fair question but tacoloco seems to be demanding a list of other posters CircleofWillis doesn’t like.
Not at all. I’d like the people who complain that people with a right bias are treated unfairly to pony up with some examples. I’ve been asking this question for a while now.
I don’t care who anyone likes or dislikes. I want to see some actual evidence of a right vs. left bias in moderation.
So was Euthanasiast’s thread.
As you say, you posted to the thread, so at least one mod is aware of the thread.
Lynn Bodoni was the one who locked the Planned Parenthood thread and warned Euthanasiast for trolling, so it does not appear to be the case that the rule against misleading thread titles (assuming there is one) can only be applied by the Pit mods.
Regards,
Shodan
Well, given that I am apparently the Secret Master of the SDMB mods and the cause of all that’s wrong with the boards ( mwahahah! ) while posing as merely another poster, I’d say “Moriarty”.
** temples his fingers in villainous fashion **
Czarcasm said:
I can agree that is fair. That wasn’t how I read tacoloco’s comment, but if that is what he meant, then okay.
crowmanyclouds said:
Something like that.
I Love Me, Vol. I said:
I get there’s a difference between saying “The Emperor’s got no clothes on” and “The stupid fucking Emperor has no fucking stupid clothes on.”
One is pointing out a fact, the other is [del]inciting a riot[/del] trying to inflame.
Shodan said:
I don’t believe he said that. I believe he said he prefers to let the Pit mods handle it.
The thread about the incident at Planned Parenthood really seems to remain a bone of contention. I can barely remember the issue involved or why it was closed.
Maybe the thread could be reexamined to see what went wrong and why Lynn closed it. And maybe another thread could reintroduce the topic (with certain guidelines in place) so that the subject could have a good airing out.
I say this knowing that Shodan is probably on one side of the issue and I will probably be on the other.
Feedback?
It was closed because of a thread title that was either technically accurate but misleading, or blatant trolling, depending on your POV. The title was “Planned parenthood hides rape of 13 year-old girl” and the actuality was that A) it was a planned parenthood nurse not wanting to know any details of an apparent statutory rape (girl started to say the man she’d had sex with was 31) and B) it was a sting (the girl was 20)
So the thread title is at least potentially misleading depending on your viewpoint and specifics not covered. Anyway, the perception of some is that Lynn had the OP of that thread suspended due to her support for Planned Parenthood (i.e., due to partisan bias) rather than for the OP’s behavior.
In other words, it wasn’t so much about the thread’s content as it was about Lynn’s reaction to the title and Euthanasiast’s suspension.
It was closed because Euthanasiast was suspended (which is the usual thing that happens when a thread directly leads to a suspension, since such threads generate much heat and at that point the OP isn’t able to respond anymore).
The accusation (by many posters at the time in the ATMB thread) was that misleading thread titles is trolling was a rule created out of thin air by Lynn for this reason,
and no one could remember any other misleading thread title that was called into question before or since.
It did seem that way at first, but it became pretty clear (IMHO) when the new rules were announced for the Pit and ATMB that it was this,
that caused this,
Now, since we have absolutely no way of knowing what was said between Lynn and Ed it is possible it was any combination of both things that led to Euthanasiast’s suspension, we’ll never know for sure. One thing is certain, Euthanasiast behavior in that thread gave TPTB plenty of excuses* for their actions. That so muddied the waters that it’s impossible for anybody to claim that it was “this” and not “that” that the was the ultimate reason for the suspension.
I don’t think there should be a rule about misleading thread titles, it’s much more fun to rip the OP to shreds with what’s usually a clearly self contradictory OP cite.
BTW re Sarah Palin: “Rahm Emannuel called my retard baby a nigger!” once you read the OP it’s clearly hyperbole and the thread title is only really misleading if you actually think those words could have come out of Palin’s mouth, well, fingers.
The big problem with comparing the two is this when called on it Euthanasiast admitted the title was misleading should be changed but AFAICT never asked for it to be corrected, and no, this post doesn’t count,
CMC fnord!
*I don’t remember when Giraffe stepped down but if in was after 12-08-2008 then we (:eek: :D) can add that to it too.
Ouch! That was a hot one. I’d forgotten how much so.
Don’t think I’m brave enough to have a go at it myself as an OP…