# Is there a living politician that, if running for president in this US election (2024), would get you to vote for Donald Trump? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [June 3, 2024, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-living-politician-that-if-running-for-president-in-this-us-election-2024-would-get-you-to-vote-for-donald-trump/1002455 "2024-06-03T22:18:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2024, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-living-politician-that-if-running-for-president-in-this-us-election-2024-would-get-you-to-vote-for-donald-trump/1002455/61 "2024-06-06T03:08:33Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Thinking on this some more, I think the issue is the individuals in the party are not interested in the health of the party or even the country. They are self-interested in retaining their own, personal power. A change threatens that so they will not work for change. They will work for the status quo. I think that the main problem is that elections move the [Overton window](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window#:~:text=The%20Overton%20window%20is%20the,as%20the%20window%20of%20discourse.). So when a conservative wins, conservative ideas and policies become more normalized and liberal policies seems less mainstream. So not only does making a protest vote not help move the party to the left, it actually moves it to the right. Trump is the extreme example of this, with the window shooting off the building and 5 blocks over. Positions that were unthinkable 8 years ago are standard politics now. ---
**Author:** ![Deanna\_D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e495f1/32.png) [@Deanna\_D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deanna_D)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2024, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-living-politician-that-if-running-for-president-in-this-us-election-2024-would-get-you-to-vote-for-donald-trump/1002455/62 "2024-06-06T17:27:03Z")
This has been an interesting thread so far. I’ve read through all the replies so far, trying to figure out which one of the many smarmy politicians would make me vote for Trump. And, I’ve realized that no such creature exists for me. Even the worst of the bunch (Cruz and Marge) would be lacking that cult following that Trump seems to have. His minions will follow him blindly, which I don’t think would be the case for any other possible candidate. I don’t really think anyone will be proudly flying DeSantis flags, or wearing ugly t-shirts emblazon with McConnel’s logo. So, I stand by my answer. I would absolutely never vote for Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Balthisar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/balthisar/32/2825_2.png) [@Balthisar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balthisar)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2024, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-living-politician-that-if-running-for-president-in-this-us-election-2024-would-get-you-to-vote-for-donald-trump/1002455/63 "2024-06-07T00:53:39Z")
It’s important to particular individuals. It’s not really important to the world. I’m going to be worse under Trump. But I’m also going to be worse under Biden. See? Doesn’t really matter. Okay, okay, Ukraine will be worse under Trump. It sucks for Ukraine, because they’re the good guys in all of this. But Israel will be worse under Trump, because this is one of the good fucking things that Biden is doing. So, as the leftists always say, vote for your best interest. That’s neither Trump nor Biden, so I’m not going to vote for your piece of shit, whether your particular piece of shit is Trump or Biden. The world is going to be just as bad no matter who wins. ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2024, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-living-politician-that-if-running-for-president-in-this-us-election-2024-would-get-you-to-vote-for-donald-trump/1002455/64 "2024-06-07T04:16:19Z")
It is utterly insane that someone can honestly believe there is no difference between Biden and Trump. It’s just mind-boggingly stupid. Thats like saying a paper cut is just as bad as an amputation because “hey I’ll feel pain either way so they are totally the same.” ---
**Author:** ![Eva\_Luna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e495f1/32.png) [@Eva\_Luna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eva_Luna)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2024, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-living-politician-that-if-running-for-president-in-this-us-election-2024-would-get-you-to-vote-for-donald-trump/1002455/65 "2024-06-07T04:19:47Z")
The first thought that sprang to mind was [Alan Keyes,](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQG5hIPJK0g) but even that might not be enough. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2024, 8:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-living-politician-that-if-running-for-president-in-this-us-election-2024-would-get-you-to-vote-for-donald-trump/1002455/66 "2024-06-07T08:51:41Z")
The modern version of people like the Communists who said _"After Hitler, Us”_ as the Nazis took power, because they were _sure_ that the worse things got, the more inevitable it was that an angry populace would sweep them into power. And who died instead in the purges and the camps. Heck, many of them _are_ Communists, I’ve gotten into arguments with Communists online who oppose voting and want things to get as bad as possible to spark the Revolution. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2024, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-living-politician-that-if-running-for-president-in-this-us-election-2024-would-get-you-to-vote-for-donald-trump/1002455/67 "2024-06-07T13:55:26Z")
> [@Balthisar](#): > > I’m going to be worse under Trump I personally did well during the last Trump years. Made a ton of money. Taxes went down a bit. But I was constantly embarrassed for my country and disgusted by around half of my fellow citizens. I was outraged by the corruption, incompetence, and lust for power by a vulgar idiot. In my mind, Trump (“Malice tempered by incompetence”) is worse than anyone else because he is ruining things not as a conservative (whch he’s not) but as a malicious fraud. That’s damaging the country far more than bad policies (left or right). ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2024, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-living-politician-that-if-running-for-president-in-this-us-election-2024-would-get-you-to-vote-for-donald-trump/1002455/68 "2024-06-07T18:01:56Z")
> [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](#): > > It is utterly insane that someone can honestly believe there is no difference between Biden and Trump. It’s just mind-boggingly stupid. Thats like saying a paper cut is just as bad as an amputation because “hey I’ll feel pain either way so they are totally the same.” I agree. If you cannot discern a difference between the two primary candidates and pick the better of the two, you probably shouldn’t be voting. There are always differences, and in this case, the differences are HUGE! ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2024, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-living-politician-that-if-running-for-president-in-this-us-election-2024-would-get-you-to-vote-for-donald-trump/1002455/69 "2024-06-07T18:28:34Z")
As many others have mentioned, Trump’s saving grace is that the damage he can cause is somewhat limited by his stupidity and impulsivity. There are a _lot_ of people on the R side who are worse than Trump and more competent than him. Steve Bannon, Michael Flynn, Mike Johnson, all of them would make me vote Trump to keep them out of office. If you don’t have a list of at least 10 people like that, you haven’t been paying close enough attention. Though I do admit I would have a lot of “what’s the point” sentiment about it. I don’t know if there’s a meaningful difference between eating half a shit sandwich and a whole one. Cognitively I know that cutting my intake of dietary shit by 50% can only be a good thing, but it’s hard to get excited about that kind of harm reduction. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2024, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-living-politician-that-if-running-for-president-in-this-us-election-2024-would-get-you-to-vote-for-donald-trump/1002455/70 "2024-06-08T02:31:25Z")
I just want to know, what is the appropriate kind of bread for a shit sandwich? ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-living-politician-that-if-running-for-president-in-this-us-election-2024-would-get-you-to-vote-for-donald-trump/1002455/71 "2024-06-09T00:27:21Z")
According to some etymologies, pumpernickel. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-living-politician-that-if-running-for-president-in-this-us-election-2024-would-get-you-to-vote-for-donald-trump/1002455/72 "2024-06-09T00:36:47Z")
So it has been established that you are o,k. with the slimy shit Trump has done. Is this because you would like to be able to get away with the slimy shit Trump has done? Is normalizing the slimy shit Trump has done something you look forward to? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.E](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.e/32/8932_2.png) [@Mr.E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.E)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-living-politician-that-if-running-for-president-in-this-us-election-2024-would-get-you-to-vote-for-donald-trump/1002455/73 "2024-06-09T00:42:32Z")
If I was given the choice between Trump and someone worse than Trump for president, I would be more encouraged to commit some unspecified act of domestic terrorism than to vote for either of them. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-living-politician-that-if-running-for-president-in-this-us-election-2024-would-get-you-to-vote-for-donald-trump/1002455/74 "2024-06-09T01:14:31Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > #It’s\_a\_sin\_to\_vote\_for\_a\_Republican > > #it’s\_also\_a\_sin\_to\_consent\_to\_a\_Republican\_holding\_elected\_office I’m not sure I’m willing to go that far. I agree that nobody should be voting for a Republican. Even a Republican who is okay as an individual is going to help the other Republicans who are scumbags. That said, I acknowledge the reality that a lot of people are dumb enough to vote for Republicans. And if a Republican is legally elected (which I grant is a big if) then I would “consent” to them holding office, even if I wouldn’t be happy about it. The Republicans may stage riots to try to overturn election outcomes they don’t like. But I want us to be better than the Republicans. (Along with wanting to put the Republicans who break laws into prison.) ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-living-politician-that-if-running-for-president-in-this-us-election-2024-would-get-you-to-vote-for-donald-trump/1002455/75 "2024-06-09T02:09:28Z")
It’s cool. As I’ve posted elsewhere, it’s an obvious lie. _Obvious_ because there’s no such thing as a sin, in the sense of “actions that the Creator of the Universe gets pissed about (because the universe doesn’t have a creator).” It’s aimed at people who believe that sins are actually a thing and the small percentage of those who are, umm, malleable enough to be intimidated into not fucking things up for all of us. Every little bit helps. #Why\_should\_the\_bad\_guys\_be\_the\_only\_ones\_who\_get\_to\_take\_advantage\_of\_the\_fact\_that\_obvious\_lies\_often\_work? ETA: Yeah, the “consent” line needs work (ambiguity). ---
**Author:** ![Tfletch1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tfletch1/32/5340_2.png) [@Tfletch1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tfletch1)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-living-politician-that-if-running-for-president-in-this-us-election-2024-would-get-you-to-vote-for-donald-trump/1002455/76 "2024-06-09T02:21:38Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > We have someone in this thread that thinks Biden is as bad as Trump. Jesus wept. I know. I thought about replying, but I have no words. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-living-politician-that-if-running-for-president-in-this-us-election-2024-would-get-you-to-vote-for-donald-trump/1002455/77 "2024-06-09T02:22:56Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > It’s cool. As I’ve posted elsewhere, it’s an obvious lie. _Obvious_ because there’s no such thing as a sin, in the sense of “actions that the Creator of the Universe gets pissed about (because the universe doesn’t have a creator).” Going off on a tangent, but I feel a sin can also be defined as something which is immoral, even if the standard of immorality is defined by society rather than some supernatural being. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2024, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-living-politician-that-if-running-for-president-in-this-us-election-2024-would-get-you-to-vote-for-donald-trump/1002455/78 "2024-06-11T06:24:54Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > #Why\_should\_the\_bad\_guys\_be\_the\_only\_ones\_who\_get\_to\_take\_advantage\_of\_the\_fact\_that\_obvious\_lies\_often\_work? Because their audience is the one that doesn’t care about the truth. ---
**Author:** ![Balthisar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/balthisar/32/2825_2.png) [@Balthisar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balthisar)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2024, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-living-politician-that-if-running-for-president-in-this-us-election-2024-would-get-you-to-vote-for-donald-trump/1002455/79 "2024-06-12T00:12:21Z")
Do y’all mean “a republican” or do you’ll mean “Trump”? Not really the same thing. I don’t like Trump, but I like some Republicans. Especially locally, where they have platforms, vs. the current crop of Dems, whose only platform is that they’re not Trumpers. I assume things will improve in the future, but this is the here and now. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2024, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-living-politician-that-if-running-for-president-in-this-us-election-2024-would-get-you-to-vote-for-donald-trump/1002455/80 "2024-06-12T00:34:17Z")
I believe that DJT is the evillest person this nation has ever produced. While some like Alito and McConnell are much more cunning, neither of them is able to mobilize the hard core racists and basket of deplorables that he can. A president Alito would not be able to make an entire party grovel at his feet and thus couldn’t do as much damage, not that he wouldn’t want to. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-living-politician-that-if-running-for-president-in-this-us-election-2024-would-get-you-to-vote-for-donald-trump/1002455.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-living-politician-that-if-running-for-president-in-this-us-election-2024-would-get-you-to-vote-for-donald-trump/1002455.md?page=5)