You didn’t say this?
So are you saying this is NOT an accurate summary of the argument you presented?
At last! Something I actually said!
I am Kevlaw and I stand by this message.
I didn’t say anything about gay people though.
I am honestly not trying to be snarky here, I’m trying to understand your point.
Are you claiming that this statement:
Does not inherently say, “Gays should not marry”?
If it doesn’t it is a transparent texbook threadshit.
I made no such claim.
Look, I appreciate that you are trying to put words into my mouth so that it’s easier to make your own argument but I do not accept them.
I’m not being rude. I just prefer to make my own arguments, thanks.
Either you have made the argument you claim people are putting in your mouth or you have dropped a turd in here that is completely irrelevant.
That would have been my answer to the OP as well. The trouble with that position is that you quickly find yourself allied with people that are anti-gay bigots. For instance, would you support a referendum banning SSM specifically? On one hand, it’s consistent with the position that the government should not be in the business of marriage. But on the other hand, as a practical matter there’s never going to be a similar referendum on different-sex marriage. So the only possible result is a bigoted one.
So while the position itself is not bigoted, it nevertheless may lead to bigotry. Especially if you end up supporting laws that only apply to same-sex couples.
I know several libertarian types that hold that particular belief they want the government’s intervention to be smaller and getting out of marriage is part of it.
Me too! It’s really too bad she gave up on the board.
@kevlaw, I honestly can’t tell what you’re arguing anymore. You seem to say something which (seemingly obviously) implies something else, but then you say to you didn’t mean the implication. It’s true that you didn’t say some of the words that others are saying you implied, but I can’t figure out what other implications could possibly follow from your statements.
Yeah, at this point, I can only assume disingenuousness. A pity.
Right, which is why I no longer hold this set of beliefs myself. It’s better to treat everyone equally with government intervention then to get the government out of marriage and shit on part of the population.
This topic will be reopened when a mod not going to sleep in a minute can take a look at it. It appears my modnote has been ignored and often.
It will reopen automatically in the morning if no one arrives before then.
Modnote: This is not an appropriate response in anyway. Please do not do this again.
Everyone, please get back to the Debate in the Op. Not related side issues. And especially not each other.
The OP could not "think of any way way for being anti-SSM to be anything but homophobic’'. Dr Strangelove offered one. That it puts you on the same side as the homophobes is neither here nor there. It counts. I offered another one.
By the usual rules of predicate logic, if you make a claim “there is no X” and then someone finds an X, your claim has been refuted.
As an aside:
It’s an odd debating strategy to discard a perfectly rational argument because someone else who might be unsavoury has the same argument.
In the cool light of morning, I note that the title of the thread is
‘Is there a non-bigoted reason to be anti-same-sex-marriage?’
but the OP was
‘Kron can’t think of any reason, except homophobia, to be anti-SSM.’
Those are slightly different statements.
The first two definitions of bigotry that I found required prejudice against a group.
The first two definitions of homophobia at the top of my google search just now were:
homophobia - dislike of or prejudice against gay people
and
Homophobia encompasses a range of negative attitudes and feelings toward homosexuality
The argument that I offered met none of those definitions. In fact, I gave an example of someone who had very positive feelings about their gay friends but still followed the Church’s requirement that marriage is between a man and a woman.
This is exactly the same as saying you have a great regard and affection for Black people as long as they don’t think they don’t try to vote, so you can’t be a racist.