Is there a statute of limitations on spoilers?

As a history nut (and at the risk of a slight hijack), I’m interested in opinions on historical facts as spoilers.

My personal view is that no documented historical fact can ever be a spoiler, even if the film (or whatever) is brand new. No one ever had any business getting indignant at learning that the ship sinks at the end of Titanic, or the French lose the war in Zola’s The Debacle, or General Armstrong gets killed in Gettysburg, or you shouldn’t get too fond of any of Henry’s wives in The Tudors.

Of course revealing the fates of any fictional characters inserted in the real events is a spoiler; no fair telling if the young lovers make it through Titanic. Same goes for any made-up or conjectured events, like the identity of the Man in the Iron Mask. If I’m not familiar enough with the real events to have a very good idea what was made up, I keep quiet. Dramas that don’t have any made-up characters and stick to the documented events, however, like the aforementioned Gettysburg, are effectively un-spoilable.

My $.02. Thoughts?

Agreed, but this is far from a umiversally held opinion. You should have heard some of the wailing and knashing of teeth in the Rome discussions because some of us mentioned that Brutus dies, or that Caesar gets assassinated. Dudes, it’s been 2000 years! Get a grip!

The king returns.

Bruce Willis spoiled The Sixth Sense for me in an interview with David Letterman. The weirdest part about that experience was when I was telling someone, who had seen the movie, that it had been spoiled for me. She covered her ears and didn’t want to hear that the movie had been spoiled for me.

Then there are the people who don’t even want to “ruin the twist” by letting people know that there is a twist. The worst example of that was when I was walking through the parking lot of the theater after seeing Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines. I, being deliberately vague and not even mentioning which movie I had just seen, said, “I liked how they ended it” and my friend went, “Shhhh! People are coming into the theater. Someone may hear you!” God forbid someone be caught off guard by an ending that someone liked. “I was hoping for an ending that was impossible to like, now I will be disappointed!”

Ohhh… memories… a decade ago, a co-worker and I were discussing the new Titanic movie within the hearing of the young receptionist, when she gasped and said in an unbelieving tone: “The ship sinks?!” :smiley:

I agree with this. I watched The Usual Suspects for the first time a couple weeks ago, but I’d already run across the spoiler online. It was still a great movie and I enjoyed watching it. After I saw it, while talking to my roommate about it, I mentioned, “I’d already known the ending because you can’t really avoid spoilers online-” and she immediately cut me off with a smug, “I do.” Arrogant, but she had a point.

I don’t really go out of my way to avoid spoilers, especially if they’re about a movie I don’t have an intention to see at the time I encounter them. As a result, I don’t get too worked up about spoilers, as I find I can usually enjoy the story on its own anyway. (I read The Dark Tower series specifically because I found out what the last line of the last book was and decided I had to know how it got to that point.) The only movie that felt lessened by foreknowledge was Fight Club, but even that was still really good.

The only exception is when the spoiler is thrown into an unrelated conversation with no warning. That’s foul play. Give a person a chance to avoid a spoiler, at least.

This is one of those issues on which that I strongly disagree with the general don’t-spoiler-box-things dope consensus. So you might think that anyone who was ever going to watch (to pick an example at random) The Usual Suspects has already seen it. Why on earth would that be true, though? What about someone who was born in 1990? They were 5 when it came out, and presumably not taken to see it by their parents, and are 18 now. For them, it’s one of many movies from before their time which they might or might not get around to seeing depending on their taste in movies. Why would randomly, out-of-context, revealing the end of that movie NOT be something which might spoil it for someone?
In general, you may think it’s stupid for people to not want to be spoiled, but it’s an objective fact that there ARE people out there who don’t want to be spoiled. So it’s just common courtesy to use a spoiler box, even if you yourself think it’s a bit silly.
The Lord of the Rings example is a good one, actually. Sure the books had been out for 50 years. But there were plenty of people in the world who, when the movies started coming out, had not read the books. Were those people so deserving of scorn that we should have no empathy for them? Was the plot of that series of books so well known, so part of the general cultural consciousness, that you could go into a thread discussing the first movie, immediately following its release, and assume that everyone in that thread was familiar with the plot of the 2nd and 3rd books? It seems 100% patently obvious to me that revealing plot points of The Two Towers at that point WOULD in fact be a spoiler. So much so that I can’t even see any point in arguing about it.
There are a few times when I think it’s perfectly OK to reveal things without spoilers. They include:
-Threads which, AS INDICATED IN THE THREAD TITLE, are discussing old things. If I start a thread entitled “favorite episodes of Buffy”, there is no need to say “I loved that episode in season 6 where (spoiler box)”. I don’t think we should assume that everyone who would ever want to watch Buffy has already done so. If nothing else, there are thousands of people per day who are just now becoming old enough to appreciate Buffy, and as Buffy fans, we should assume they will want to watch Buffy, and thus we shouldn’t randomly fill the netosphere with offhand remarks revealing surprising plot twists. But if those people consciously choose to enter a thread discussing favorite episodes of a show that went off the air years ago, they should expect to be spoiled
-Exception: If someone starts a thread about Buffy and then in the OP says “my wife and I are in the middle of season 2 of Buffy and…” or something, and the discussion wanders into a discussion of the series as a whole, it is just common sense to spoiler box post-season-2 discussions

-Threads in which the thread title itself points out that there will be spoilers about a particular work. (Ie, “Just saw The Love Guru (spoilers)”)

-Threads in which the thread title itself makes it obvious that spoilers will be flying free (ie, “Your favorite twist endings”)

-Weekly TV-episode threads. If the thread title is “Lost, 9/14/07”, then it is generally accepted that the episode of Lost that aired on 9/14/07 will be discussed in that thread.
Addendum #1: Note that there is dispute about the extent to which things other than what was broadcast in the episode need to be spoiler-boxed. For instance, in Lost threads, the “next week on” is open for discussion, but in 24 threads, it is not. And in general, things-you-read-in-articles and things-you-heard-in-podcasts should probably be spoiler boxed. But speculation generally should not.
Addendum #2: Sometimes a thread about an episode will be created a few days before the episode airs, for purposes of anticipation and speculation. If you happen to see the episode significantly before it is generally available, you SHOULD use spoiler boxes to reveal what happened. But once the show is being broadcast live, spoil away. And if you’re on the west coast (as I am), for god’s sake don’t read the thread for the 3 hours of time change when the east coast has seen it and you haven’t.
In general, however, my feeling is that it’s a combination of risk/reward and courtesy. What’s the worst that happens if you spoiler box something that doesn’t need to be spoiler boxed? You typed a few extra characters and some people had to do some extra mouse dragging. What’s the worst that happens if you do NOT spoiler box something? Well, remember how damn awesome it was when you were watching (x) and moment (y) happened and you were like, “DAMN, that was awesome!”? Well, you just took that much happiness away from someone.
Oh, and one other point: The right way to use spoiler boxes is to indicate WHY the thing in the box is a spoiler, as in: “So I read an interview with the author of next week’s episode, and he says (spoiler box)” or “this is kind of like that scene in The Watchmen where (spoiler box)”.
On, and one final final final point: There are some times when even revealing that there’s a spoiler is a spoiler. For instance, people talk a lot about “the twist ending of X” without mentioning what that twist is. Which is nice of them. But there are times when even knowing that there IS a twist ending kind of ruins X, because then when you’re seeing X you’re spending all your time trying to guess the twist ending, which is a very different mindset than if you don’t assume there will be a twist ending. However, it can be almost impossible to avoid that kind of spoiling. You might argue that I’ve done some spoiling of that sort in this very post, in fact. But for brand-new things, particularly works which, based on their general genre, one wouldn’t necessarily expect to have a crazy-ass twist at the end, I would avoid even mentioning the existence of a twist. If possible.

For instance, start a thread entitled “what did you think of the ending of (x)” rather than “what did you think of the twist ending of (x)”. In neither case is the title of the thread revealing what the twist is. And in both cases, someone who has not seen (x) and doesn’t want to be spoiled will know to stay out of the thread. But the second thread does reveal something important about (x) merely from reading the thread title.

Oh, and the mere fact that something is based on history doesn’t mean that it doesn’ t ever need to be spoiler boxed. Sure, if you’re watching Rome and have any kind of education, you know that Caesar is going to die and Brutus will be involved somehow. But there are wide variances in how much people know abut Roman history. Just because you know the eventual fate of every historyically-based character from the moment you started watching episode one, and just because those facts are in fact available to anyone who wants to look them up, doesn’t mean that people aren’t going to be pissed off if you reveal that (x) dies and (y) becomes emperor and (z) impregnates (w).

How do I draw the line between things everyone knows (Caeser dies) and things that are more obscure? Well, I dunno, so err on the side of caution, for goodness’ sake!