If you are citing Leviticus, then you are definitely a religious fanatic, Rook.
Let’s see. First you asked a question about genetics. When you didn’t like the answers, you started asking about morality. Now that you didn’t like the answers on that subject, you have started arguing the debate from a point of view based on your private religious beliefs.
The idea that pre-marital sex, homosexuality, adultery, bestiality, and incest are all morally equivalent is ridiculous, and only a hard-core Bible-thumper could love an idea like that.
You’re trying to convince me to view homosexuality through the prism of your particular religious beliefs, and as a result I don’t see much point in continuing this debate with you. I don’t have anything against your particular brand of Christianity, however rabid it might be. I would have the same problem debating you if you started quoting the Koran or the Torah at me. I simply don’t share your religious beliefs, and I don’t accept them as the basis for a debate on the morality of homosexuality. Nor do I accept them as a guide for conventional secular morality, or as a basis for American law. (Thank goodness for the Constitution!)
In other words, you believe we should throw out the personal beliefs of everyone who disagrees with you and argue this debate solely according to your personal religious beliefs? Sorry, Rook. Like I said, I think it’s best that you and I cease debating at this point. We’re not even talking the same language at this point.
Hastur
Excuse me……the most widely distributed book in history. Thank you for pointing out my fault.
“I think you may find something in the Bible though about not laying down judgement, which you are doing, oh He-Who-Is-In-Denial”
Who’s laying down judgement? I thought this was a debate? Did you read when I wrote “I leave most of my personal feelings out of this discussion.” I thought I’ve clarified that people can do what they want? Did you read that part Hastur? Your hostility is coming from someone expressing a view point different then yours. Get over it, read the threat, contribute to the debate or get the hell out of the conversation.
Polycarp:
I will reply to your comment soon after responding to your suggestion that I might also be “Hannah” – No I’m not……anymore questions to this effect?
I just think that Rook has a good point. What is this world coming to. If God allowed people to be homosexuals he would not have destroyed Sodom and Gomorra.
Ummm, that’s right. And there is nothing concrete supporting a definite genetic link which MAKES someone homosexual. CORRECT? Only similarities. Similarities can be found in many groups of individuals who say they have no choice. I believe I gave a few examples earlier. Were they born that way too? Yes. That’s all I said. The fact that it’s between two consenting adults really doesn’t have anything to do with genetics.
“you started asking about morality”
Ummm, that’s right. And it’s quite clear morality isn’t anything set in stone so how can we even make the slightest accusation about anything being immoral when in 20-30 years it might be considered “normal”. So I went to the book that has written standards of what’s moral and immoral, the entire time saying, “I do not necessarily support these views but these ARE views of others.”
“you have started arguing the debate from a point of view based on your private religious beliefs.”
Private religious beliefs? What the hell are you talking about? Did I not quote the bible?
Leviticus 18:6- 22 addresses incest as well as homosexuality in the same chapter.
Romans 1:26,27 clearly shows homosexuality as unfavorable to God
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 addresess all of the sins in question. It doesn’t rate which one is worse. So who are YOU to say one is worse then the other?
I did not accuse Rook of being Hannah, or Hannah of being a sock puppet. I very carefully explained the “sock puppet” idea to Hannah because, due to the rash of sock puppetry that has happened in the past, I figured it was likely Hannah would be accused of being a sock puppet, and wanted to warn her.
People who read the Bible rather than using it as support for their prejudices know why God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah – failure to treat “the stranger in your gates” with decency and respect. Jesus makes this very clear in the one reference he makes to the two cities. I will concur that it does show that God has a problem with people who forcibly buttfuck angels. But that hasn’t been a particularly common sin, so far as I know. Am I missing something?
Just needed to clear up those two points. I’m done with this thread.
Actually Polycarp the people did NOT know that the men where Angels send from God. Also God had sent word to the residence of Sodom and Gomorra to change there ways before He has sent his Angels.
I’m signing off now.
I see that you are set in your way. There will be a day when everything will be clear to everyone. Homosexuality and God don’t mix. If God approved of homosexuals then he would have designed mans anatomy to reproduce a different way.
“I will concur that it does show that God has a problem with people who forcibly buttfuck angels. But that hasn’t been a particularly common sin, so far as I know.” ~ Polycarp
Am I the only one who thinks this would make a great sig?
So your saying EVERYONE in Sodom and Gomorra were rapists?? That’s like saying EVERYONE in Germany during WWII was guilty of genocide during the Holocaust?
NOT PROBABLE. But, it is more believable that EVERYONE was engaging in same sex relationships or some sort.
If this doesn’t coincide with what you believe (which i’m sure it doesn’t), SO WHAT? If you have something to discredit this opinion then let’s hear it. But personal insults shows how narrow minded YOU are.
And your response to Hannah just makes you look equally as ignorant. WOW, and I bet you wonder why there’s hate crimes. You’ve shown much more hostility towards us then us toward you……and YOU’RE the minority. I hope you hold comments like that to yourself when you’re face to face to someone with a different view point cause where I’m from, that type of talk will get you beaten about your head and neck.
Oh, it’s more believeable if you make up bullshit? I never said that everyone in S&G were rapists. I said that your whore Hannah equating the raping of Lot’s guests with homosexuality was the epitome of the rationalized hypocephalic comments commonly spouted by born-again losers.
Welcome to the pit, fuckwit. Your pathetic attempts to change the subject have repeatedly been seen through, over six pages ago. You asked a question, it was answered, politely, and then you went off on a tangent, the first of many. You have repeatedly ignored information posted by others, posted links to documents that actually refute your argument, and, in general, acted like a pathetic troll-wannabe.
Minority? What the fuck are you talking about? What kind of minority am I? Have you read a word that I’ve written? The hostility you see comes solely from your lack of respect to the readers of this forum.
Where I’m from, your wussy attempt at a threat would be heartily laughed at. Go fondle your favorite dildo, you duck-sucking coprophagic choad boy.
Yes, there is a Gay Gene. He lives in Chicago. Good 'ol Gay Gene from Chicago. He’s an ok guy for a gay guy I suppose. A little to fem if you ask me though. But he usually has some killer buds!
To reduce the possibility that my insult will be misunderstood, let me note that, in my opinion, born-again Christians and born-again losers are two independant sets. There are plenty of born-again Christians who can think, who can discuss things rationally, and who posess the ability to change their minds. This is not the case with born-again losers.
“BOY”, huh? I’m the same “boy” who makes you cross the street when you see me walking. I’m the “boy” who makes you change up your jogging route. I’m the “boy” who spits on your car INFRONT of you, WAITING for the “tough guy” to emerge from your bitch-like exterior so I can slap him back into your subconscious. I’m the “boy” who’ll make you urinate on yourself next to your fat-girl-for-life, wife. You call the police on me when I look at you funny. I’m the boy who’ll beat you into submission in front of you bitch-ass son.
Intelligence has nothing to do with barbaric violence and as you know, I’m not very intelligent. You’re the reason a lot guys don’t get online in chat rooms cause we know the same square, timid, ass kissing, “carry-your-bags-wherever-the fuck-you-want” nerds in high school are the same foul mouthed “tough guys” online.
Kiss my ass and like it
The first time you acknowledge a mistake… PRAISE HECATE!
I don’t have to stay away from judgement… that’s your dogmatic belief, not mine. Yes, you say people can do what they want but you keep looking to demonize it through your language which has lost all traces of subtlety. It isn’t that you are expressing a point of view different than mine, it is that you are a pigfucker in denial of the truth that you are a homophobe, which you have proved countless times.
I’ve contributed to the debate, you just choose not to listen to anyone but yourself.
Can your send me a link to back up your opinion? Damn, u know, I bet you two would make millions in the rap business- G.W.A (Gays With Attitudes) You could rap about being the King Sodomite in jail. That’d be tight. Hastur, your new stage name is King Sodomite. Now….what to do with Punoqllads……ummm……how about MC Scratched Knee? Oh Yea……can you smell the money???
How ironic that you take someone to task for the word ‘boy’ when you are and have been doing the same thing to us. You are such a hypocrite. The Bible was used to show why white men should own black men and why women should be subjugated to men. Your ‘logic’ is as weak as your mind.