Is there a such thing a the "gay gene"?

For pleasure. To give and recieve pleasure with someone we care for. It is warm, intimate, and without fear. We don’t have to worry about pregnancy as the outcome of every liaison, and we can just be with each other. I would think straight women would envy such freedom.

It is as I have said to friends in the past: You know, I don’t envy straight people. Everytime they have sex they have to worry not only about sexually transmitted diseases, they have to worry about pregnancy each time they have sex. All I have to worry about is death. Death doesn’t last 18 years. I don’t have to put death through college, let it drive my car into a telephone pole, and death doesn’t eat all the food in my refrigerator.

Davis: You quote me as your sig? I am flattered.

DavisMcDavis:
So you feel homosexuals are natures way to fight over population. Haven’t heard that one before but the theory does make sense. And about animals being homosexual, I recall reading an article in TIME that said homosexuality is seen in nature. This only proves some animals have the same tendencies as human. When i said “going against nature.” I was referring to the human body (or other species). It’s no big secret that male and female genders are physically compatible. There’s no denying that. I did find the similarities you mentioned interesting. But I feel if you take a random group from the population you’ll find some similarities. I was looking for something more defining instead of theorized.

Hastur:
We’re talking about male and female (compatible sexual organs) vs. male and male/ female and female (non-compatible sexual organs) not about my like of thought. I don’t have a problem with homosexuals, I just feel it wasn’t intended to try and jam two things together that obviously don’t fit. I’m speaking more about the human body and not about what I or other people my think is right or wrong

Regarding male and female sexual organs and compatibility:

If men were meant to have sex with each other, men would have a hole in their ass.

Well, if you had been reading my posts completely, you’d have seen I suggested that before Davis. You really are holding on tight to your prejudiced views, aren’t you?

Hastur:
Homosexuals have a higher risk of contracting aids. The gay community helped the epidemic spread much more quickly then it would have

Hastur:
I’m prejudice because i feel human anatomy suggests we should be straight?

well, the cat is REALLY out of the bag now!

As I thought. You are prejudiced. Thank you for showing us through fallacy that you are a homophobe.

Gay men may have a higher risk but we have been at the forefront of education about preventing STDs. Straight bible thumpers have been trying to stop this as they think that it is only a gay issue. It is a human health issue.
Human anatomy does not suggest we should be straight. Unles s you had coffee with human anatomy after you talked with nature. You are in major need of education, but I doubt you will get it as you seem very fixed to your narrow hateful views.

To think I wasted my 200th post on you.

quote from Hastur:
“Everytime they(straight people) have sex they have to worry not only about sexually transmitted diseases, they have to worry about pregnancy each time they have sex. All I have to worry about is death.”

That’s why i commented about your higher risk of aids. If gay men are leading ventures for aids prevention…that’s GREAT. But how can you say nature didn’t SUGGEST heterosexuality when male and female genitalia are designed how they are? Admit that it’s atleast SUGGESTED since that is the only way to reproduce and continue our species

You’ll have to point me toward the parts the human anatomy that have to do with love and commitment.

The human pair-bond is obviously much greater and more complex than a vehicle for procreative intercorse and the raising of children.

Hastur, combatting ignorance is never a waste.

Rook, one final comment. I will grant you that AIDS (it’s capitalized when it refers to the ailment, since it’s an acronym) was for a period of time in the 80s spread in large part by the promiscuity of a certain small proportion of the gay population. However, today the majority of sufferers, by something like a 9:1 margin, are straight people from sub-Saharan Africa.

Hmmm…if it’s a punishment, then God not only hates gays, but also Africans? The bigots were right all along! :rolleyes:

With test tube babies, artificial insemination, and other technologies, male/female coupling is not necessary. Thus, your argument does not hold water.

Genitalia suggests sexual preference as much as your arguments suggest forethought and intelligence.

Come on, people. Let’s be nice to the confused young man. We should sympathize with his situation here…

We all know that he’s not prejudiced, really. Just… confused.

Everyone knows that people who fear gay people irrationally are really secretly hiding latent homosexual tendencies themselves.

Give the kid a break, please.

Rook: I know this is a confusing thing for you. I realize that you spend all that time masturbating thinking of well-oiled big cocks going into your buttery cornhole, and then you feel ashamed afterwards.

You are the way you were made, Rook. Don’t let society tell you that you are “wrong.” Be true to yourself, my friend. The truth will set you free.

If you ever need to talk, feel free to e-mail me, Rook. I am not gay like you obviously are, but I have friends who are and I might be able to help you out.

As for the rest of you, please be gentle with Rook. He’s going through a hard time here, rebelling against every gay instinct he has because of society. Only with patience and consideration can we hope that Rook will come out of the closet and go on to a fullfilling life by being honestywith his own secuality.


Yer pal,
Satan

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Perhaps homosexuality is a natural force in natural that kicks in when population gets higher than it should be. If so, then it’s perfectly natural.

Or perhaps it’s a natural response in a population where food is abundant and survival high; then reproduction becomes less valuable and intellectual development, which is fostered preferentually in gays because they don’t waste energy on reproduction and child-rearing, is more valuable to species advancement.

I don’t see how you can say that homosexuality is necessarily “against nature”. It’s just against your narrowminded view of “nature”.

And there are plenty of people whose hormones are outside the normal range for their identified sex, either because of genetic anomalies or for other reasons.

Dr. Lao: love and commitment? what the hell are you talking about? My point is clear. Men have a penis, women a vigina. I’m not saying two men couldn’t form a bond that’s comparable to a man and a woman, i’m saying nature doesn’t randomly mix sexual organs with different physical attractions. That would be detrimental to the species’ survival. And if it’s a means to combat over population, what happens if the population decreases? no more gay people?

I’m not sure if I should reprimand Satan for using the phrase “buttery cornhole” in Great Debates, or point out the irony of attempting to insult someone who hinted that gays were lesser than straights by claiming he is gay.

[Moderator Hat ON]

OK, I decided. Satan, that was a bit much for GD. I can scoot this to the Pit if y’all want to flame Rook so bad, but there is a rather slim possibility that he might learn something here. I’d like to see that happen.

[Moderator Hat OFF]

God I really need to stay out of this but I wont so hate me or call me names but here it is.

Please read both segments as they come togeather to form a conclusion. This is taken from memory regarding a peper I did on this topic about ten years back.
Biology
Homosexuality in the strictest sense is contra-survival. That does not make it bad, deviant or any other Orel Roberts catchword you might want to associate me with for making this statement.

If your sole desire is to simulate procreation with persons of your own gender than you have a trait which is contrary to species survival. Now, of course animals do it so it isn’t “against” nature in the sense that nature has examples of spontaneously ocurring homosexual behavior. But the examples of dolphins who engage in homosexual activity yet “kidnap female dolphins and force them to concieve” is faulty unless the cetaceans have developed test-tube technology. After all, they still must have a desire for heterosexual contact in order to perform the act. Also What you describe is akin to rape (what else can you call kidnapping with the intent to reproduce?)which is, the last time I checked, deviant behavior.

The statement about homosexuals only making up 5-15% of the populace (Johnson&Johnson vs Kinsey statistics I suppose) dose not make pure homosexual behavior a functioning part of natural development for a specis any more than webbed feet on an animal that does not swim. Webbed feet might not kill that animal or cause them to be a deficit to the specis but it is outside the realm of proactive genetic advancement.

If you are gay and do not desire to mate with the opposite gender then you are out of the loop. Being born with no desire to procreate in genetic abberation. Don’t get confused by the statement, it is not a value judgement it is simple science. A gamete exists to create a zygote. If you lack the desire to do so because of your genes then you are in a way a form of mutant.

None of this takes in to account en-vitro firtilization which is, in the strictest sense, not natural.

Sociology

The concept of the “gay-gene” is not really all that new. Robert Trivers wrote on this concept and is considrered by many to be the father of Evolutionary Psychology.

The premise is along these lines. The hetero animal exists mainly for the purpose of reproduction. Afterward to protect it’s own genetic line to some extent. Thus the hetero animal is incapable of something we call Altruism. The concept of selflessness is aline to it. An example of this is the North Americal Grizzly Bear which can be in such a fever to procreate that it will sometimes severly injure it’s chosen mate, often the injuries result in death to the mate.

Strict homosexual animals are free of the compulsion and are thus capable of selfless acts. Some socio scientists believe that our level of society would not be possible to maintain if it were not for altruism or slefless acts. As many other scientists agree that those who do not deisre progeny or lack the insticnt to reproduce are hte only beings capable of this emotion then it can be said that homsexual humans are nessisary for the survival of humanity, not as a specis, but as a society.

Non-procreative animals form a protector class of specis and serve to counteract the more compulsive reproductive instincts of the heterosexual members of their specis. A sort of counterbalance. For this they are treated as pariahs and outcasts in our society.

It is theorized then that while the genetic makeup of someone who has an active “gay gene” is non-standard, they do serve a purpose greater than themselves and beyond the simple genetic imperative of heterosexual animals.

Bear in mind I’m about as homophobic as the next guy but I try not to be which to some makes me worse or better depending on who you ask, but as I see it the problem comes from misunderstanding and lack of broad perspective.

IMHO: You are both right and wrong, genetically speaking strict homosexual behavior does not serve the standard imperative of passing alon ones genes. But psychologically and in regards to the advancement of our specis as a whole it DOES serve a purpose that is valuable and nessisary for our survival as a culture.

Read the science fiction book “Protector” by Larry Niven which I read after writing my initial paper and I wished I had been able to go back and site as source material for observations. I will try and dig up the paper or call my mom and see if she has it so I can give my bibliography.

‘women a vigina’?

Hmmn. This must be one of those secret things we never hear about. I wonder where the vigina is located? Gotta find me some vigina.

Quote from KellyM:
“And there are plenty of people whose hormones are outside the normal range for their identified sex, either because of GENETIC ABNORMALITIES or for other reasons.”
Exactly my point. Not Natural. And i repeat myself. When i say “nature” i’m talking about the physical compadibilty between a man and a women.

As all your posts are in this thread, you don’t participate in any other threads on this board, and you hold to your views without considering anything that has been brought before you, I think you are a troll. I think this thread should move to the pit. His views and remarks are hateful, and I think should be able to be countered with a bit of vitriol.