# Is there a way to maintain a government without taxes? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 5, 2005, 8:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-way-to-maintain-a-government-without-taxes/288505 "2005-02-05T08:33:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2005, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-way-to-maintain-a-government-without-taxes/288505/101 "2005-02-10T16:59:39Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Your fellow socialists do not share your rosy view of France. > > From the World Socialist Web Site, > [Rising poverty and exploitation: France on the eve of the parliamentary elections](http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/jun2002/fran-j07.shtml) Well I guess the poor French are going to have to just live with the best medical care in the world. [cite](http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/2000/08/28/gvsa0828.htm) I guess their poor is going to have to deal with the reality of having to live in a subsidized house instead of on the street. Their kids are just going to have to deal with going to school instead of working in a factory. I guess they are going to have to deal with eating instead of going hungry. _wipes tear_ What a horrible place to be poor in. ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2005, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-way-to-maintain-a-government-without-taxes/288505/102 "2005-02-10T17:52:38Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > The DOD has a judicial system, and it can be modified into a system of arbitration at undoubtedly less cost. Why do you think it can be modified at less cost? The DoD’s judicial system only covers 1.4 million members of the armed forces. Why do you think they can administer justice for a country 200 times that size without an increase in cost? One more question. Are trademarks/copyrights protected in Libertaria? ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2005, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-way-to-maintain-a-government-without-taxes/288505/103 "2005-02-10T19:24:36Z")
> [@treis](#): > > Well I guess the poor French are going to have to just live with the best medical care in the world. [cite](http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/2000/08/28/gvsa0828.htm) I guess their poor is going to have to deal with the reality of having to live in a subsidized house instead of on the street. Their kids are just going to have to deal with going to school instead of working in a factory. I guess they are going to have to deal with eating instead of going hungry. > > _wipes tear_ > > What a horrible place to be poor in. It is horrible to be poor any place. Your callous disregard for the suffering of the poor is unbecoming, particular since you are using them as poker chips in your haphazard arguments. Moreover, your complete lack of comprehension of cites given you is becoming tiresome. You are arguing for the sake of reading your own poorly conceived and sloppily constructed sentences. You aren’t even reading. You are clicking the quote button, and parsing first, thinking later. You are typing out questions as fast as you can, and then calling almost every answer nonresponsive. I’m afraid that debating with you is intellectually unsatisfying. You may appoint a proxy (other than Dewey) to debate on your behalf. I really have nothing more to say to you. ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2005, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-way-to-maintain-a-government-without-taxes/288505/104 "2005-02-10T19:36:58Z")
My eyes rolled so far back they came out the front again at that Liberal. Answer the questions. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/13edae/32.png) [@Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Cheatem_Undhow)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2005, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-way-to-maintain-a-government-without-taxes/288505/105 "2005-02-11T21:16:05Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > You may appoint a proxy (other than Dewey) to debate on your behalf. I really have nothing more to say to you. Oh come on now. Don’t be hatin’. I’d really like to hear you expand on your answer to **treis** regarding patents. If there are no patents in Libertaria, how does, say, medicine advance? I’d also like to hear an answer to the question posed (I forget if it was this thread or another of the libertarian threads that have popped up as of late) as to how third party witnesses are secured to testify at arbitration in Libertaria. I have more, actually, but I know you hate juggling a lot of questions, so let’s focus on those two for now. ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2005, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-way-to-maintain-a-government-without-taxes/288505/106 "2005-02-12T01:02:19Z")
> [@Dewey Cheatem Undhow](#): > > I’d really like to hear you expand on your answer to **treis** regarding patents. If there are no patents in Libertaria, how does, say, medicine advance? Sorry Dewey apparently I don’t care about the poor and you have also sinned against Liberal in some unbeknownst way. You know when people say you get all huffy when someone questions your ideal of Libertarianism this is what they are talking about. You have made claims with specific numbers yet you refuse to back up those numbers we any evidence at all. How can you claim to be debating in good faith when you steadfastly refuse to cite or prove your numbers? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-way-to-maintain-a-government-without-taxes/288505.md?page=5)